How does STARTING turn order work (on first strike)?

[stebobibo]

First strike is when you use the attack (r1) on the enemy before they run into you. Then, your team gets to go first.
It's a very important thing to have control over, yet Speed does not determine it.
Has anyone actually figured it out?
From my own testing, it appears the turn order will always stay the same until the party composition is changed. For example, you remove/add a char to party, or you first encounter Maelle. However, there doesn't seem to be any rules to this. I just seems like this shuffles it randomly. I've tested a bunch and found no patterns. If it truly is the case that it is random, that is horrible game design.
Thanks in advance for any insights you can provide.

[Geo]

speed
already a post on it lol
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1903340/discussions/0/592895604607211349/

[MEATSHED]

I will note that if someone has the first strike skill equip they will go after your other characters for some reason.

[Sqrly]

Publicado originalmente por MEATSHED:

I will note that if someone has the first strike skill equip they will go after your other characters for some reason.

Just run into the mobs to start combat, do not use the strike ability to start it, then the character with the skill equipped will always be the first in your group to play. I always have Lune go first with fire rage. Free fire aoe's every turn until she takes damage.

If you start combat with a succefull strike, it seems to nullify the skill.

[asdf]

It's determined by the order that your characters were added to your party. You can remove characters from your party and then add them again to change the order (ie. if you want to have character A, B, C in that order, then remove everyone but A from your party, then add B, then C).

In the case of first strike when your reserve party kicks in (in the event that your first party is wiped out), I think that's just random.

[stebobibo]

Publicado originalmente por Geo:

speed
already a post on it lol
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1903340/discussions/0/592895604607211349/

You haven't read that post carefully. Speed does not affect First Strike order. That post says nothing about first strike order; it's talking about a specific pictos.

Publicado originalmente por asdf:

It's determined by the order that your characters were added to your party. You can remove characters from your party and then add them again to change the order (ie. if you want to have character A, B, C in that order, then remove everyone but A from your party, then add B, then C).

In the case of first strike when your reserve party kicks in (in the event that your first party is wiped out), I think that's just random.

This is not true, either. It happens sometimes that it will be ordered that way. Other times, not. So it looks like its random.

[Kurt Thomas]

Was this ever determined? The going theory still seems to be how you add them to your party but that hasn’t worked for me.

[SD Snake Plissken]

Publicado originalmente por Kurt Thomas:

Was this ever determined? The going theory still seems to be how you add them to your party but that hasn’t worked for me.

It was like this for me, but stopped working for some reason. Maybe some events, party related, makes it stop working

[TurboQuest]

Publicado originalmente por SD Snake Plissken:

Publicado originalmente por Kurt Thomas:

Was this ever determined? The going theory still seems to be how you add them to your party but that hasn’t worked for me.

It was like this for me, but stopped working for some reason. Maybe some events, party related, makes it stop working

It still is like this based on order of adding them to the party, BUT any story events that adds, removes, or switches control to someone messes it up until you remove and re-add in your preferred order.

[Maximilion13]

Publicado originalmente por MEATSHED:

I will note that if someone has the first strike skill equip they will go after your other characters for some reason.

nah, it will never work. it should work, but it never did.
and the order is going to change randomly for me, sometimes it's the order of adding them to the party, sometimes not.
the skill that said first strike gives more speed, even when I doubled checked the one who got the skill got the higher speed, still wasn't the first to hit.

[TurboQuest]

Publicado originalmente por Maximilion13:

Publicado originalmente por MEATSHED:

I will note that if someone has the first strike skill equip they will go after your other characters for some reason.

nah, it will never work. it should work, but it never did.
and the order is going to change randomly for me, sometimes it's the order of adding them to the party, sometimes not.
the skill that said first strike gives more speed, even when I doubled checked the one who got the skill got the higher speed, still wasn't the first to hit.

That's not how that skill works, First Strike basically does the same thing as when you attack an enemy with the R1 attack to initiate the fight, if you were to put that skill on all your party members, you could just run into enemies without having to do the R1 attack and everyone will go first just like when doing the R1 attack.

It will not however affect the order in which your party goes, nor does speed, only thing affecting that is order of adding them to party, but again, if an event, cutscene or such changes anything regarding the party, it messes up the order and you have to redo it.

As an example my Lune has over 1000 speed right now, highest in the party, if I remove her and re-add her, suddenly it counts as she was added last, so in the turn order she goes 3rd instead of 1st. If I remove everyone except Lune, then add let's say character A then character B, suddenly the order becomes Lune > A > B.

[Aveax]

Publicado originalmente por TurboQuest:

That's not how that skill works, First Strike basically does the same thing as when you attack an enemy with the R1 attack to initiate the fight, if you were to put that skill on all your party members, you could just run into enemies without having to do the R1 attack and everyone will go first just like when doing the R1 attack.

It will not however affect the order in which your party goes, nor does speed, only thing affecting that is order of adding them to party, but again, if an event, cutscene or such changes anything regarding the party, it messes up the order and you have to redo it.

As an example my Lune has over 1000 speed right now, highest in the party, if I remove her and re-add her, suddenly it counts as she was added last, so in the turn order she goes 3rd instead of 1st. If I remove everyone except Lune, then add let's say character A then character B, suddenly the order becomes Lune > A > B.

Thats not true, First Strike from Lumina is not the same as manual start with advantage (the R1 attack that you mentioned tho they are similar)
Party order works for both but for R1 speed can override it based on thresholds.

Here guide with explanation how combat order works:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3471499611

[TurboQuest]

Publicado originalmente por Aveax:

Publicado originalmente por TurboQuest:

That's not how that skill works, First Strike basically does the same thing as when you attack an enemy with the R1 attack to initiate the fight, if you were to put that skill on all your party members, you could just run into enemies without having to do the R1 attack and everyone will go first just like when doing the R1 attack.

It will not however affect the order in which your party goes, nor does speed, only thing affecting that is order of adding them to party, but again, if an event, cutscene or such changes anything regarding the party, it messes up the order and you have to redo it.

As an example my Lune has over 1000 speed right now, highest in the party, if I remove her and re-add her, suddenly it counts as she was added last, so in the turn order she goes 3rd instead of 1st. If I remove everyone except Lune, then add let's say character A then character B, suddenly the order becomes Lune > A > B.

Thats not true, First Strike from Lumina is not the same as manual start with advantage (the R1 attack that you mentioned tho they are similar)
Party order works for both but for R1 speed can override it based on thresholds.

Here guide with explanation how combat order works:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3471499611

I stand corrected while also slightly confused as what I've said is based on my own testing which was just like I said, but granted I did minimal testing with what I had at the time.

[Masuku]

Ok i got one for you. For everyone that say the order in which you put your party matters it doesn't. I want Maelle to go first , i have 2300 speed on her but Sciel always go first. My Sciel has 780 speed and doesn't even have first strike equipped on her and for the matter i put her in the last spot but still go first. And it is like this with the first strike lumina and the first strike outside of the fight when you engage. This is giving me a meltdown i don't know what to do at this point haha

[Platapoop]

Publicado originalmente por Masuku:

Ok i got one for you. For everyone that say the order in which you put your party matters it doesn't. I want Maelle to go first , i have 2300 speed on her but Sciel always go first. My Sciel has 780 speed and doesn't even have first strike equipped on her and for the matter i put her in the last spot but still go first. And it is like this with the first strike lumina and the first strike outside of the fight when you engage. This is giving me a meltdown i don't know what to do at this point haha

So you're telling me that your Sciel is in the far right position when the battle starts but she still goes first?

[reddude24]

Publicado originalmente por asdf:

It's determined by the order that your characters were added to your party. You can remove characters from your party and then add them again to change the order (ie. if you want to have character A, B, C in that order, then remove everyone but A from your party, then add B, then C).

In the case of first strike when your reserve party kicks in (in the event that your first party is wiped out), I think that's just random.

This is completely wrong. I have Lune with first strike picto and then I'll add Sciel and then Maelle. I do first strike usually and on mobs the lineup will be this usually, but not always, and i've notice on bosses, it's always Lune, Maelle, and then Sciel. My conclusion is that it's based on your Agility attribute in which Maelle for has a much higher Agility stat than Sciel, but I don't like this cuz I dont care for agility with her build.