*Spoiler* Lore and Plot questions

[Deluxe]

I finished the game and on NG+.

My understanding is that there are 2 versions of each of the Dessendre family members in the painting, other than Verso and Aline. One drew by Aline through grievance and to escape reality, one drew by Renoir as Axons and a way to get Aline out of the painting.

1) Why and which Renoir attacked Expedition 33 on the initial landing at Dark Shores? Aline’s Renoir didn’t need to do anything to other expeditions until they got too close to the monolith since they’d just die on their own. And the fact Curator kept Maelle in the Manor makes me think the initial Renoir they met was the real Renoir, but why go through disguising himself?

2) How did Aline’s Renoir access the “painter’s dimension” when he soul punched Maelle after killing Gustave? Or is that also the real Renoir?

3) Who is the Axon that died in Old Lumiere? The Axons was Renoir’s depiction of the siblings. Verso, Cleo, and Alicia. Who does the 4th axon represent, can’t think of someone described as a city built on their back. Maybe Renoir himself or Aline since she is the Head of the Painter’s Council?

This game is so good.

[phantommail]

There are 2 Verso - little boy ( part of the Verso's soul ) and painted one that we play.

[phantommail]

As for your question 1 I thought about it too.

Real Renoir has no reason to attack expeditions - he wants Paintress defeated.
If anything he should be helping them.

But honestly I still don't understand fully relations between Painter's avatars and painted versions of them.

[0h_hey]

Originally posted by Deluxe:

I finished the game and on NG+.

My understanding is that there are 2 versions of each of the Dessendre family members in the painting, other than Verso and Aline. One drew by Aline through grievance and to escape reality, one drew by Renoir as Axons and a way to get Aline out of the painting.

1) Why and which Renoir attacked Expedition 33 on the initial landing at Dark Shores? Aline’s Renoir didn’t need to do anything to other expeditions until they got too close to the monolith since they’d just die on their own. And the fact Curator kept Maelle in the Manor makes me think the initial Renoir they met was the real Renoir, but why go through disguising himself?

2) How did Aline’s Renoir access the “painter’s dimension” when he soul punched Maelle after killing Gustave? Or is that also the real Renoir?

3) Who is the Axon that died in Old Lumiere? The Axons was Renoir’s depiction of the siblings. Verso, Cleo, and Alicia. Who does the 4th axon represent, can’t think of someone described as a city built on their back. Maybe Renoir himself or Aline since she is the Head of the Painter’s Council?

This game is so good.

Although the story is AMAZING, lore seems very convoluted and in need of a DLC or sequel to fully explain it. Considering there is a movie in production, I assume that it will get expanded on soon.

[Cryerborg]

You're missing another Axon, it's near The Crows to the East. So there are two that aren't quite explained, or at least not explained in a normal playthrough.

[Deluxe]

Originally posted by Cryerborg:

You're missing another Axon, it's near The Crows to the East. So there are two that aren't quite explained, or at least not explained in a normal playthrough.

No that one is Alicia.

[Deluxe]

Originally posted by 0h_hey:

Originally posted by Deluxe:

I finished the game and on NG+.

My understanding is that there are 2 versions of each of the Dessendre family members in the painting, other than Verso and Aline. One drew by Aline through grievance and to escape reality, one drew by Renoir as Axons and a way to get Aline out of the painting.

1) Why and which Renoir attacked Expedition 33 on the initial landing at Dark Shores? Aline’s Renoir didn’t need to do anything to other expeditions until they got too close to the monolith since they’d just die on their own. And the fact Curator kept Maelle in the Manor makes me think the initial Renoir they met was the real Renoir, but why go through disguising himself?

2) How did Aline’s Renoir access the “painter’s dimension” when he soul punched Maelle after killing Gustave? Or is that also the real Renoir?

3) Who is the Axon that died in Old Lumiere? The Axons was Renoir’s depiction of the siblings. Verso, Cleo, and Alicia. Who does the 4th axon represent, can’t think of someone described as a city built on their back. Maybe Renoir himself or Aline since she is the Head of the Painter’s Council?

This game is so good.

Although the story is AMAZING, lore seems very convoluted and in need of a DLC or sequel to fully explain it. Considering there is a movie in production, I assume that it will get expanded on soon.

The lore is actually quite simple to understand. Think of the Painted World in Dark Souls. The Desendre family are Painters who have the ability to enter their creations. They met a tragedy where their son Verso died, also scarring Alicia in a fire. During their mourning, Aline, the mother decided to escape reality into a painting Verso previously created, so she can spend an eternity with her family. However, staying too long in a painting could be harmful to a painter, so Renoir the father goes in the painting as well to get her out. Obviously he wasnt successful, so he took away her chroma (painters' macguffin), to drain her power and erase the canvas to force her out. This subsequently becomes the gommage, where the oldest creations get erased every year. The countdown was Aline's reminder for the inhabitants in the painting to know and cherish every moment they have left. Right before the game starts, Alicia tried to enter the painting to get her parents back to reality, but end up getting overwhelmed by chroma and reincarnated as one of the painting's inhabitants.

I think the story of Expedition 33 is fairly conclusive, other than the choice/ending you want. What really intrigues me is Clea's war with the Writers in the real world. Since the game is Clair Obscur : E33, I believe the devs might build on the Clair Obscur universe in subsequent works. Sandfall really cooked.

[Cryerborg]

Originally posted by Deluxe:

Originally posted by Cryerborg:

You're missing another Axon, it's near The Crows to the East. So there are two that aren't quite explained, or at least not explained in a normal playthrough.

No that one is Alicia.

Oh, I guess that makes sense. I think I got mixed up with the Regent being Alicia, but that wouldn't even be Renoir's. Fresh off a long game session so brain is a little fried lol

Originally posted by Deluxe:

I think the story of Expedition 33 is fairly conclusive, other than the choice/ending you want. What really intrigues me is Clea's war with the Writers in the real world.

This has been a hot topic for debate in my home tonight. I think the game wraps up with a decent little bow and nearly every major point explained, except that one and maybe the Old Lumiere Axon.

[Deluxe]

Originally posted by Cryerborg:

Originally posted by Deluxe:

No that one is Alicia.

Oh, I guess that makes sense. I think I got mixed up with the Regent being Alicia, but that wouldn't even be Renoir's. Fresh off a long game session so brain is a little fried lol

Originally posted by Deluxe:

I think the story of Expedition 33 is fairly conclusive, other than the choice/ending you want. What really intrigues me is Clea's war with the Writers in the real world.

This has been a hot topic for debate in my home tonight. I think the game wraps up with a decent little bow and nearly every major point explained, except that one and maybe the Old Lumiere Axon.

There is also another plot point where the Goblu we met in Flying Waters clearly hinted at associating with Sophie, but Nevrons that are passive or ones like it didn't really get explained much. You find out Nevrons are created by Clea at the Fountain, but not really why they kill expeditioners and Gestrals.

[Cryerborg]

Originally posted by Deluxe:

There is also another plot point where the Goblu we met in Flying Waters clearly hinted at associating with Sophie, but Nevrons that are passive or ones like it didn't really get explained much. You find out Nevrons are created by Clea at the Fountain, but not really why they kill expeditioners and Gestrals.

I can't remember where it was said, but I remember a single line in the game where someone mentioned something along the lines that the Nevrons just attack anyone trying to take Chroma.

[phantommail]

Originally posted by Cryerborg:

Originally posted by Deluxe:

There is also another plot point where the Goblu we met in Flying Waters clearly hinted at associating with Sophie, but Nevrons that are passive or ones like it didn't really get explained much. You find out Nevrons are created by Clea at the Fountain, but not really why they kill expeditioners and Gestrals.

I can't remember where it was said, but I remember a single line in the game where someone mentioned something along the lines that the Nevrons just attack anyone trying to take Chroma.

Nevrons were created by painted Clea to take chroma from her parents. You can find her in the game I beleive

[Cryerborg]

Originally posted by phantommail:

Nevrons were created by painted Clea to take chroma from her parents. You can find her in the game I beleive

I think my first encounter with her in the game was act 3 in the gauntlet tower where she mentions they're her sketches.