"Crashes into Expedition"

[Enorats]

The puppet things in the red forest. Every time you kill one they stumble forward and it says they're going to "crash into the expedition". When they do, they hit for like 1/2 of everyone's health.

I've tried dodging, parrying, jumping.. I've tried them all at various points in the animation against a dozen different encounters, some with multiples of these enemies in the encounter. Every single time it hits me.

How do you avoid this attack? Alt+F4?

The dodge/parry system in this game is so incredibly annoying. I never know if I'm supposed to dodge or parry, or if there is even a difference between the two. There is zero indication of when the window to do it is, it comes down to pure trial and error. It is exacerbated by the way enemies don't move in a predictable and fluid motion. I assume they wanted to make the whole system easier by making enemies pause before each attack, but it ultimately makes the system harder because you never know how long each pause is going to be until you've seen every attack each new enemy can do and learned the timing through trial and error.

[marsHm311oW]

Works fine with parry and dodge.

[Lumone]

You're not "supposed" to dodge something and parry another, dodge and parry can block the exact same attacks, with parry having a stricter timing but more rewarding as it gives more AP.

[Managedant]

its not one or the other. you parry and you dodge.

[Enorats]

Escrito originalmente por marsHm311oW:

Works fine with parry and dodge.

So, when is the window then? Because it's definitely working fine for me. I've tried dodging when they are halfway through their fall. I've tried dodging before they start falling. I've tried it just as they start falling. I've tried doing it when they stop stumbling towards me. I've tried jumping during all of those times, I've tried parrying during all of those times.

Hit by the attack every time. It's pretty hard to "git gud" or whatever when I can't even seem to find the timing window I'm supposed to be aiming for. It's like handing a blind man a bow and telling him to shoot the target, then acting surprised when he doesn't even know what target you're asking him to shoot.

In other games, the timing window you're aiming for is quite obvious. There is a weapon headed for you. Don't let it hit you. Finding the timing window on this attack is like trying to play a rhythm game with your monitor and sound turned off.

[nanareignssupreme]

I’m having the same experience and it’s annoying

[goodbye_bonito]

Timing window is when tension, represented by sound goes to it's peak and then "releases". I don't know, it's very intuitive, one of the attacks when you just feel: "Yea, it goes now". How you can't dodge or parry it is a good question to ask yourself.

[Iavra]

When they crash into you, the animation briefly freezes. Around that time is the window, you have to feel it out for a bit until you get the hang of it.

[derrekpc2002]

Don't listen to the useless arrogant people in here. I have no problem with any other attacks in the game, and I'm in the 'post game" before going to ng+. But those things in that forest are the worst. I've managed to dodge a few, and parry like once or twice, but yeah, their timing window is either broken or isn't lined up with the attack. When I first went through that place I just decided to avoid the fights after a while. Which is crazy cause I love the combat in this game, but those things ruin it.

[GeminiEclipse]

The timing seems fine to me. Although it took a bit to get it right. There's like a weird sound before they hit and that's what I use to time it.

[Meewec]

if you see "perfect" while dodging that's your timing for a parry, if you see "dodge" that means you would have been hit if you'd tried to parry with that timing. as for those self destructs i found nailing the dodge to be one of the harder things but i started to get it eventually. sadly it was the last couple fights in that it started clicking so i took a lot of damage