It is amazing how starved the gaming community is for normal games.

[PinkPanzer]

With likeable good looking, sexy characters and a story which doesnt preach at you at every oppertunity how evil man are, which pronoun you must use or is afflicted by the eternal girl-boss syndrome. We are so starved in fact that an unknown studio with an unknown franchise sells 1 million copy's in under a week(Expedition 33), dominate all charts as soon word gets out that there is nothing catered to "modern audiences", and just want to have players a good time, and another game in the top sellers is a remake(Oblivion) from a better time, when al this diversity/inclusion nonsense didnt matter. It is so refreshing to see that the characters in Exepedition 33 having a nice dynamic without petty remarks all the time and with players not giving the urge to set the cast on fire, and i am not alone.....evidently people are throwing money at and sing praises of a game that takes them serious and is not wasting their investment(time,money,effort), or ridicule them at every oppertunity.

We have done this diversity experiment for over a decade now and billions of dollars have been wasted that could have improved lifes or fund the most amazing games, the gamer community has been never so divided with the inclusion mantra only functioning as a repellant, making us going at each others throat as soon there is a mention of a body type. Can we just go back to making good games now?, and just admit it has failed?, like so many studios catering to this stupidity have gone up in smoke. Can we just admit that there is no "modern audience" safe for a small terminal online crowd obfuscating public opinion by posting from several puppet accounts at the same time?. Can we please go back to healthy escapism where man and women can be tough likable heroes that save worlds?, and dont have the suspension of disbelief shattered like a bubble as soon as they open their mouth. That there is only male and female and that trans and non binary people are a rarity instead of a baseline. That most people don't care what you believe in, as long as you are a pleasant person to game with. That fanservice, eroticsism, violence is not something that makes a person warped but actually healthy and is serving as an outlet. Make games for gamers again, and give artists a change to give birth to their dreams and for us to experience them.

I hate to use this game as a orange box and a stepping stool, because it deserve so much more than to be pulled i an stupid culture war. But some people can only be convinced when evidence is breathing in their faces.

Gratz on your succes Sandfall Interactive and i hope there will be more expeditions in the future where we can tag along.

[phantommail]

Origineel geplaatst door Artanis Creed:

If you want to decry diversity as a white person just remember that you are a GLOBAL minority and that the video fame market is world wide.

Common sense!

It's not wordwide. China and US are 2 biggest markest for obvious reason.

Also in top ten Germany UK Canada Italy France

[0wnz0r]

amen brotha, amen. i was skeptical at first... n woke weirdos constantly tried to derail any conversation about it... but it turned out to be good.

even shadow dropped oblivion couldnt stop this game.

[0wnz0r]

Origineel geplaatst door Tay:

You say that, but there is still a pretty big discussion thread with plenty of people still claiming it to be pure "woke" and "DEI".

I think it's beyond telling how none of the people that talk like you have any level of consistency to what is considered problematic, but you keep banding together to just complain because it makes you feel better even when the people next to you aren't even actually agreeing with you.

yes it is telling. it says a lot.

it says anti woke is the group wit real diversity n tend to get along despite differences, while the woke group all thinks, looks, n acts the same... because if any of u deviate, u eat each other alive.

Origineel geplaatst door Artanis Creed:

If you want to decry diversity as a white person just remember that you are a GLOBAL minority and that the video fame market is world wide.

Common sense!

common sense would tell u to look at sales numbers per demographic/geographic location to see how wrong u r.

[Constant_K]

Origineel geplaatst door Tay:

You say that, but there is still a pretty big discussion thread with plenty of people still claiming it to be pure "woke" and "DEI".

I think it's beyond telling how none of the people that talk like you have any level of consistency to what is considered problematic, but you keep banding together to just complain because it makes you feel better even when the people next to you aren't even actually agreeing with you.

Game has all the hall marks of a "woke" game. Strong female leads, lesbians, cucked male etc, etc. Metacritic score 92% ergo: not woke. They don't want to miss out on it. Same with BG3.

Morons.

They are morons.

There are users here refusing to play it because it doesn't pass their insane purity test. That is commitment I can appreciate. But we have listen to them so, not great.

[@R+5]

Origineel geplaatst door Constant_K:

Game has all the hall marks of a "woke" game. Strong female leads, lesbians, cucked male etc, etc. Metacritic score 92% ergo: not woke. They don't want to miss out on it. Same with BG3.

what makes something woke isnt the presence any of those elements, but how they are portrayed or used. what make something pro-dei or woke propaganda, is how those are framed and what specific messages are pushed, with the objective of "this is what you must think and agree with" rather than "this is part of the world and make your own judgement"

[Constant_K]

Origineel geplaatst door @R+5:

Origineel geplaatst door Constant_K:

Game has all the hall marks of a "woke" game. Strong female leads, lesbians, cucked male etc, etc. Metacritic score 92% ergo: not woke. They don't want to miss out on it. Same with BG3.

what makes something woke isnt the presence any of those elements, but how they are portrayed or used. what make something pro-dei or woke propaganda, is how those are framed and what specific messages are pushed, with the objective of "this is what you must think and agree with" rather than "this is part of the world and make your own judgement"

Wow that is convenient and so logical!

Gee whizz, you know what it almost like that is entirely dependant on the perception of the audience? hmmmmm

[PvWolf666]

Origineel geplaatst door Constant_K:

Origineel geplaatst door Tay:

You say that, but there is still a pretty big discussion thread with plenty of people still claiming it to be pure "woke" and "DEI".

I think it's beyond telling how none of the people that talk like you have any level of consistency to what is considered problematic, but you keep banding together to just complain because it makes you feel better even when the people next to you aren't even actually agreeing with you.

Game has all the hall marks of a "woke" game. Strong female leads, lesbians, cucked male etc, etc. Metacritic score 92% ergo: not woke. They don't want to miss out on it. Same with BG3.

Morons.

They are morons.

There are users here refusing to play it because it doesn't pass their insane purity test. That is commitment I can appreciate. But we have listen to them so, not great.

Lesbians are a real thing, strong females are a real thing. I can cope with that. Anything else, if its forced on me I will call woke. I get theres a big world out there with all sorts of people doing their own thing. Just don't make me do it is all.

[@R+5]

Origineel geplaatst door Arestris:

...

i guess i will add a "bonus track", that may help understand some of the main issues of the "dei (authoritarian pro-censorship pro-socialist pro-communist) mindset"

when donal trump pt 1 was happening, john cleese thought trump was "mad". and considering some things he said and did, i agree, but that doesnt change other things he actually did later which were positive, and that helped the "anti-dei movement".

John Cleese’s Hilarious Donald Trump Rant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UueGetlwpw

recently, 2 years ago while some of the worst aspects of woke became evident thanks to "the varus", he said this:

John Cleese's War on Wokeism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBf6kJIbXLg

[Constant_K]

Origineel geplaatst door PvWolf666:

Origineel geplaatst door Constant_K:

Game has all the hall marks of a "woke" game. Strong female leads, lesbians, cucked male etc, etc. Metacritic score 92% ergo: not woke. They don't want to miss out on it. Same with BG3.

Morons.

They are morons.

There are users here refusing to play it because it doesn't pass their insane purity test. That is commitment I can appreciate. But we have listen to them so, not great.

Lesbians are a real thing, strong females are a real thing. I can cope with that. Anything else, if its forced on me I will call woke. I get theres a big world out there with all sorts of people doing their own thing. Just don't make me do it is all.

You are swallowing George Soros' propaganda hook, line and sinker. Do you have Blackrock shares buddy? Huh?

Wake up mate.

[@R+5]

Origineel geplaatst door Constant_K:

Origineel geplaatst door @R+5:

what makes something woke isnt the presence any of those elements, but how they are portrayed or used. what make something pro-dei or woke propaganda, is how those are framed and what specific messages are pushed, with the objective of "this is what you must think and agree with" rather than "this is part of the world and make your own judgement"

Wow that is convenient and so logical!

Gee whizz, you know what it almost like that is entirely dependant on the perception of the audience? hmmmmm

is not entirely "based in perception of the audience", if you understand where dei comes from and what "woke" actually means.

is not about convenience, but about be more objective.

what is convenient is subjectivity and ambiguity, since then you can claim anything can mean a different thing, without considering some views may be actually wrong or erroneous.

[Arestris]

Origineel geplaatst door @R+5:

Origineel geplaatst door Arestris:

...

i guess i will add a "bonus track", that may help understand some of the main issues of the "dei (authoritarian pro-censorship pro-socialist pro-communist) mindset"

when donal trump pt 1 was happening, john cleese thought trump was "mad". and considering some things he said and did, i agree, but that doesnt change other things he actually did later which were positive, and that helped the "anti-dei movement".

John Cleese’s Hilarious Donald Trump Rant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UueGetlwpw

recently, 2 years ago while some of the worst aspects of woke became evident thanks to "the varus", he said this:

John Cleese's War on Wokeism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBf6kJIbXLg

Nope, sorry, still no butthurt special snowflake and also no fascist voting for the terrorist Trump ... so sorry!

[@R+5]

Origineel geplaatst door Constant_K:

Origineel geplaatst door PvWolf666:

Lesbians are a real thing, strong females are a real thing. I can cope with that. Anything else, if its forced on me I will call woke. I get theres a big world out there with all sorts of people doing their own thing. Just don't make me do it is all.

You are swallowing George Soros' propaganda hook, line and sinker. Do you have Blackrock shares buddy? Huh?

Wake up mate.

thats ironic, considering the theme of this discussion is what is and isnt woke, lol

and george soros isnt part of a "conspiracy theory", is literally a similar character to "elon musk in the right", but that has been more influencial for longer for "radical left" and globalism. "follow the money", in what stuff soros has used money, and which characters are connected to him and his business. where he comes from, what he has actually said, etc.

[@R+5]

Origineel geplaatst door Arestris:

Nope, sorry, still no butthurt special snowflake and also no fascist voting for the terrorist Trump ... so sorry!

im arguing with logic, you are relying in feelings.

im giving you evidence and valid arguments to understand more perspectives, you are closing yourself rather than actually exercising basic critical thinking skills, while casually insulting me.

[Hedge Wizard]

Just watched the trailer.
Aesthetically, the game looks gorgeous, not just technically, but also in principle.
It warms my black heart to see something beautiful come out of France again.
I had feared they had lost themselves.
As an Englishman, my only reason to tolerate the French is their immaculate grace and style, for otherwise they would merely be surly and inefficient.
And this game is clearly French, it exudes a palpable Frankish quality, best described by the article itself.
I shall buy it when it's on sale, though, for I am but a poor miser.

[Sirgs]

This is probably actually a really good game but knowing it's unwarranted association with the "heh, wokie gamedevs could never" crowd basically makes it ☢️ to me so I guess I'll give it a forever pass