光與影:33號遠征隊

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「 Boss 」 4 月 25 日 下午 6:31
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AI Generated texture(s) found
At least one that I've spotted:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3470537596

Just wanted to put it out there for those who care. I don't really, just wish they'd made them look a bit better lol. This is very basic looking AI work.

Loving the game otherwise, though.
最後修改者:「 Boss 」; 4 月 26 日 上午 8:07
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Axilia 5 月 8 日 下午 3:11 
引用自 Sai
引用自 Arthel


I don't know the word inane, thank you.

Also I think people care since they're replying, you are caring a lot right now you replied multiple times, and proven your point to be wrong by doing so, losing credits to it in the motion. It's not preaching also, there is no religion or book or dogmas to preach, it's raising awareness, on a topic, related to the texture in game that has AI generated stuff all over it.

Move along where, maybe to fetch some water yes... but seriously, going where ? It's a forum with discussions in it... if you don't want to participate, you can just not reply to me.

No, you're confused. I don't care about your topic. I care that you're spewing this nonsense on the game forum I want to take part in and have constructive informative discussions about the video game.

I don't want to see inane comments about "oMg iT's AI gEn, mY aRt is uNdEr aTtaCk"

I'm here for actual discussion about the game itself.

And it is kinda a religion. All artists are very similar on this topic, very cult like, very un-accepting of something they just haven't adjusted to. Guess what, jobs get replaced as tech and stuff advances. This is a fact of life. Time for a new career or adapt with the new tools instead of complaining.

Good luck.

We will never give in and we will always be a pain for you then
evandro_uv 5 月 15 日 上午 6:54 
引用自 Martian
Dude ai rules and I don't care who loses their worthless job over it. I'd trust an unbiased machine over a biased human in a heart beat
Assuming this isn't ragebait, you do realize generative AIs are heavily biased, yea?

Data training content is always made of biased material, which inherently leads to them being biased. Not only that, but the people that have the AI code can easily just code the AI into generating things and behaving the way they want.

Have you never stopped for a second to think about that? Did you think your AI girlfriend actually loves you because you're a lovable individual rather than the fact she's programmed to believe that?
GodMan 5 月 15 日 上午 6:55 
They have already stated that there are even paid UE store assets in the game and only thanks to these they were able to develop the game fairly smoothly.
Axelhander 5 月 15 日 上午 6:58 
All creativity is subtractive and iterative, whether or not it involves AI. All creativity is building upon what came before.

AI fearmongering is dumb. Always has been. Always will be.
evandro_uv 5 月 15 日 上午 8:32 
引用自 Axelhander
All creativity is subtractive and iterative, whether or not it involves AI. All creativity is building upon what came before.

AI fearmongering is dumb. Always has been. Always will be.
I'm assuming you mean solely AI used for generating creative works. Do you mean additive and iterative? While one can consider that all creativity comes from taking parts of a same ultimate source (ultimately empirical and logical processes that arise from them), said source remains available while the results produced by it are cumulative.

And yes, creativity is a process that stems from people's different personal environmental conditions and previous experiences, and AI does the same in its own way. The issue isn't how creativity is made nor its definition, but rather the alienation of people leading to the dull-ification of personal creativity. It's not you expressing your thoughts and experiences, it's another medium expressing their creativity.

A lot of AI fear is fairly justified in my opinion, although people don't know how to explain why they're afraid of AI. Ignoring ethical-legal aspects (which are VERY important keypoints), there are two main fronts in the AI issue: what it means for art as a means of expression, and commercial aspects.

Commercially the accessibility of generative AI for images caused an immediate issue: it strongly affected small artists that relied on commissions or donations. It's plain cut. While this is the point people often bring up, this isn't the real issue. All professions likely faced or will face a crisis at some point.

However, in my opinion, the issue is actually on the end of the person that uses the AI. There's an atrophying of knowledge as art skill, but more importantly, like mentioned earlier, there's alienation. People trick themselves into believing they have any contribution or expression in the result despite said product being made through a process without any critical thinking or artistic skills.

The issue isn't small artists losing jobs. It's that in an overtly capitalist society if an artist can't partake in it then art will be relegated to mainly a niche hobby and frowned upon as non-contributing. AI promotes laziness and ignorance while empowering its user in a consumerism loop. In the end, what generative AI in art is doing is creating a path where art as expression is ostracized while removing humanity from commercial aspects.
Axelhander 5 月 15 日 下午 3:36 
引用自 evandro_uv
引用自 Axelhander
All creativity is subtractive and iterative, whether or not it involves AI. All creativity is building upon what came before.

AI fearmongering is dumb. Always has been. Always will be.
I'm assuming you mean solely AI used for generating creative works. Do you mean additive and iterative?

No. Subtractive.

All art -- ALL art -- is about chiseling away at the proverbial mound. The creativity is taking your sum of experiences, which includes the collective wisdom of humanity as documented in books, the internet, and yes collected via AI.

If using AI in the creative process is "dull-ification" then so is drawing inspiration from works you've enjoyed in the past, or from conversations with other people, or from literally anything you've done, said, or experienced that shapes your vision, your very creativity.

The only thing you're right about is the folly of art in a capitalist society, but that is not the fault of AI. Had we moved beyond capitalism, there wouldn't be IP law, there wouldn't be this stupid "art landlord" movement of artists angry at AI's existence, there wouldn't be people crying about "plagiarism" instead of dealing with real problems.

AI ain't stealing. AI is a tool. And it can be used to make great things, or slop, no different than one can use a pencil for the same.
Yagger 5 月 15 日 下午 7:46 
引用自 Arthel
I think I'll refund to be honest, it disgust me it's present.
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