Why is this better with a controller?

[ZedClampet]

I don't really care. It just seems a strange thing to say, although that is a JRPG tradition. Seriously, though, you walk around. In fights you have to press either Q or E. Interacting is F. Nothing about that screams "controller" to me. The menus are fine with a mouse. What am I missing?

By the way, great game so far. I've crashed a couple of times, that's probably just this old computer.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by ZedClampet:

What am I missing?

- Haptic feedback or at least rumble.
- Sofa JRPG playing position.
- Eating while playing when it's easy to clean a controller.
- smooth camera movement.

[Tsi Aileron]

No issues with my DualSense! Pressure sensitive movement wins any day in a game with any type of platforming. Less wear on your wrists as well if you have carpal tunnel or tendinitis.

[ZedClampet]

Originally posted by Tsi Aileron:

No issues with my DualSense! Pressure sensitive movement wins any day in a game with any type of platforming. Less wear on your wrists as well if you have carpal tunnel or tendinitis.

Ah, well I haven't gotten to the platforming yet. Just using the grappling hook so far.

[Kisama]

I feel like if KBM vs Controller conversations are "strange" to you, you haven't been gaming "seriously" for very long.

Historically (and for the most part today) you want KBM for things like First person shooters and games where precision matters (it's easier to point at your head and click than it is to slide my aimer across the screen to your head with my controller). Whereas controllers are usually better for third person games and anything that doesn't require super precision movement/aiming. Controllers also... control.... third person characters less awkwardly.

It's changed a bit because most fps games and stuff give controllers auto aim now (to some extent), to even the playing field, and it's a little bit overcorrected.

It's actually one of the things "stopping" me from starting this game up right now. I am a stoner who drops my controllers a fair amount and I'm also a gaming degenerate that wears them out quickly, and I'm currently on a stock of 3 semi broken controllers, but playing this game on KBM sounds awful.

Gotta go to the store and pick one up.

[ZedClampet]

Originally posted by Kisama:

I feel like if KBM vs Controller conversations are "strange" to you, you haven't been gaming "seriously" for very long.

I didn't say the conversation was strange. I said the developers putting the "better with a controller" statement in felt strange to me, but I haven't gotten that far into the game yet. Also, I've been gaming seriously since Pong and have 1500 games in my account and have played most of them.

Originally posted by Kisama:

Historically (and for the most part today) you want KBM for things like First person shooters and games where precision matters (it's easier to point at your head and click than it is to slide my aimer across the screen to your head with my controller). Whereas controllers are usually better for third person games and anything that doesn't require super precision movement/aiming.

To each his own. I use keyboard/mouse for everything except for driving, flying and most sports games. It would be good in this game, but in other games where positioning is key, I simply can't stand how slowly you turn using the stick. Of course, the rotation speed is probably adjustable, but I don't use controllers enough to know whether you can do that in all games or not. I've been using a keyboard since Wizardry. The mouse came later, but it complemented the keyboard perfectly, although it took years before developers knew what to do with it.

Anyway, the guy before you told me there was platforming that I haven't gotten to yet, and I suppose a lot of people consider that the domain of the controller, which answers my original question.

[Shadow Wizard Money Gang]

It is'nt in the slightest. There's input lag on controller on top of not supporting dualsense natively. As a result its impossible to consistently parry or dodge with a controller.

[zMyriad]

depending on your setup, JRPG's are meant to be played for a prolonged periods of time, so a controller would allow you to lean back and play opposed to being hunched over on your desk.

[qaz]

Video games are meant to be played with a controller whereas mouse and keyboard are for excel and browsing the internet, simple as.

[SKUC]

Originally posted by qaz:

Video games are meant to be played with a controller whereas mouse and keyboard are for excel and browsing the internet, simple as.

Video games are made on computers

[silverbolt1981]

Originally posted by SKUC:

Originally posted by qaz:

Video games are meant to be played with a controller whereas mouse and keyboard are for excel and browsing the internet, simple as.

Video games are made on computers

Since the days of Commodore and Amiga and before that people were playing on computers with joysticks/controllers.
Younger people as you are i presume don't know this facts..

[Dev]

Just started playing on KB+M but must say the controls feel a bit off especially when in combat there’s lag like when trying to activate charged attack with ‘W’ and when traversing world using the ‘E’ key etc. Just feels overall fluidity lacking on keyboard.

Will try switching to my PS duelsense edge controller but it’s annoying because I have to use usbc connection for full functionality on duelsense edge on PC.

[Croxio]

It might be me, but if the game requires moving in a 3D world and controlling a camera at the same time => control with the controller. As much as I am a PC player, I started on consoles, and being comfortable with moving + camera on camera seems to me to be a useless skill in addition to requiring a lot of effort to not appear to be an idiot on any multiplayer game.

Generally speaking, it is only for strategy or management games (visual novels do not count) where the controller is useless.

[VarBear]

MKB works perfectly fine, I don't understand the "use a controller" message either. In fact it's objectively better because controllers inherently have more input lag, even more so if you have a good keyboard. Being able to accurately control the camera in your specific motion without the need to remove your hand from the mouse at any point, while mostly useless here, is better.
"Controller lets you sit back and relax" is not better. It's preference in sitting position. Having less lag is better.

I used to use controller for all these RPG's and third person games. Later I replayed games like Sekiro 5+ years later with MKB and they were much easier and felt more responsive. Keeping in mind I have a PS5 controller, not some $20 no brand controller. Since then I've been using MKB almost exclusively and it always felt better than controller as long as the game didn't have abysmal MKB support like Elden Ring.
Keyboard also has so many more buttons to use, it makes games like Khazan easier since you don't have to press a 2 combo button for certain things like Counter Attack. And anything you can't change in game, you can rebind or macro from your keyboard software.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Shadow Wizard Money Gang:

on top of not supporting dualsense natively.

The game does support DualSense natively on Steam.

[ZedClampet]

Originally posted by Croxio:

It might be me, but if the game requires moving in a 3D world and controlling a camera at the same time => control with the controller. As much as I am a PC player, I started on consoles, and being comfortable with moving + camera on camera seems to me to be a useless skill in addition to requiring a lot of effort to not appear to be an idiot on any multiplayer game.

Generally speaking, it is only for strategy or management games (visual novels do not count) where the controller is useless.

That's completely the opposite for me. Mouse is much better for controlling the camera, requires zero effort, and I definitely look like an uncoordinated idiot with a controller, which requires massive effort and is just terrible at its job.. You probably grew up on consoles, while I grew up on PC. I've never owned a console after the Atari: no Nintendos, Playstations or the Xbox.