Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

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so the paintress people have magical powers
but one of them casually just died in a house fire? seems weird
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Have you completed the game? If not... all will be explained. And if you have completed the game... why ask this question when it is clearly answered? :-D
Hormesis May 17 @ 8:05pm 
so far as we know their only power is the ability to paint fictional worlds. how they gonna paint themselves out of a fire my guy
Ratsplat May 17 @ 8:10pm 
Originally posted by Hormesis:
so far as we know their only power is the ability to paint fictional worlds. how they gonna paint themselves out of a fire my guy
Water based paint instead of oil based.
I hope in a sequel we will get the full explanation HOW their powers with painting work, how they make a canvas, how time works inside the canvas (you apparently can stay in there for centuries and in the real world almost no time passes) and where the powers comes from. I also want to know who the "Writers" are. They apparently are responsible for the fire.
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The real question is if the Paris of Renoir, Aline and co is even "real" to begin with. I bet the writers of the story have several more rugs in store they could pull out from under us. They seem to love their rug pulls...

If the writers, somehow, in any way, changed reality by writing something in a book, say they write about a fire in a certain mansion or so... then it would be implied that the writers in the world of Renoir and co are the equivalent of the painters in the canvas. Avatars of humans one level up in another reality.

On a meta level the writers are the actual, literal people who wrote this game's story. They decided for the fire to happen in the mansion so Verso dies and Alicia is disfigured.

We never see the "real" world, we see the mansion, the surrounding garden/park and one Eiffel tower in the distance and then ... nothing else. Look out the windows in the segment where you are Alicia in the real world... you only see the tower. No other buildings, no other people. Nothing.

In a way the Dessendres may be on their own "expedition" to stop the writers from messing with them, just like the people of Lumière fought the avatars of the painters so they can live and are no longer their playthings.

I would not be surprised at all if the game writers at least consider this possibility, that the Paris of the Dessendres is just yet another created world, by writers. Who act in their world through avatars and have magic powers. Just like the painters have magic powers over people in a canvas.
Ogami May 17 @ 9:03pm 
Originally posted by Shin Happens:
The real question is if the Paris of Renoir, Aline and co is even "real" to begin with. I bet the writers of the story have several more rugs in store they could pull out from under us. They seem to love their rug pulls...

i am pretty sure the "real" world is fake too. You see nothing but fog outside the mansion grounds and the silhouette of a way too big Eifel Tower.
Also there is other weird stuff like Versos day on death on his gravestone being
"December 33th 1905".
A day which literally does not exist in reality. I am pretty sure we dealing with a Inception level of fake world inside a fake world scenario here.
Originally posted by Deviant:
but one of them casually just died in a house fire? seems weird

You misunderstand their "powers". They are completely normal human beings living in our world back in 1700's Paris. Their "powers" are just knowledge of some kind of magic that allows they to paint world's into existence on a special paint canvas. This doesn't extend beyond the canvas world. Basically they are god's inside the canvas, but just regular people outside of it.
Ratsplat May 17 @ 9:09pm 
Originally posted by Ogami:
Originally posted by Shin Happens:
The real question is if the Paris of Renoir, Aline and co is even "real" to begin with. I bet the writers of the story have several more rugs in store they could pull out from under us. They seem to love their rug pulls...

i am pretty sure the "real" world is fake too. You see nothing but fog outside the mansion grounds and the silhouette of a way too big Eifel Tower.
Also there is other weird stuff like Versos day on death on his gravestone being
"December 33th 1905".
A day which literally does not exist in reality. I am pretty sure we dealing with a Inception level of fake world inside a fake world scenario here.
My latest random thought is that Verso died on the 33rd in 'real life', and also died with 33 on the monolith.

inb4 the 'real' world is just a magical therapy plane that they were forced to enter to get over their grief. Or willingly went in without any outside knowledge.
Originally posted by Ogami:

i am pretty sure the "real" world is fake too. You see nothing but fog outside the mansion grounds and the silhouette of a way too big Eifel Tower.
Also there is other weird stuff like Versos day on death on his gravestone being
"December 33th 1905".

Yes, I tend to agree. They hand out little breadcrumbs as clues that tell us something is very off about the world the Dessendres live in.

I would bet the authors have either researched or know all the major literary works and movies about simulated worlds and/or are familiar with the simulation argument, which basically says if this tech exists then almost all worlds are simulations, they would greatly, very greatly outnumber the real worlds. Since in the world of CO the magic exists to create simulated worlds (via canvas)... it's almost inevitable that the world of the Dessendre family is also just another simulation, this is one of the main points the simulation argument makes. If there is something like this tech then we almost certainly are inside one of those simulations already.

We even briefly get a hint of simulations within simulations when Lune says Maelle will paint the real Paris for her... and who knows, maybe the canvas people could enter that canvas? And then spend time there?
Without knowing if the supposed real Paris is real or not.
I dont think so, because that question has no meaning to the plot and its themes.

Dealing with loss/grief, escaping into a fantasy etc.

So far it seems that the "everything is fake" idea is being thrown around by those people who also tend to claim that Lumiere is also real.

To me this reads like a attempt to claim that they are either all real and if that does not work they go the they are all fake route. Just to make all the characters equal and therefor destroying the canvas is bad/immoral.

Long story short, it reads like a form of copium.
Originally posted by Genosse Kommissar:
Without knowing if the supposed real Paris is real or not.
I dont think so, because that question has no meaning to the plot and its themes.

Long story short, it reads like a form of copium.

Your arguments read a lot like "I did not really think this through" though. This is not "copium" but "thinking it all through to its logical conclusion".

We only have observations.

a) outside the Mansion is just the small garden, and then nothing but fog and in the distance one Eiffel tower. If you look through the 2nd floor windows in the mansion as Alicia in her segment you see nothing but fog... a white nothingness... and an Eiffel tower in the distance. Is that normal?

b) there simply is no 33rd December 1905

c) you never meet other people

d) some "writers" somehow are responsible for a fire... which awfully sounds like a painter in the world of Lumière messing with Lumière by painting something nasty, like a Nevron or Axon... or creating a fracture

The people who wrote the game are certainly no dummies and they will absolutely either already have known or researched "simulated worlds" for the game. And this inevitably means they came across the simulation argument.

On a meta level the Paris of the Dessendre is a simulation, because it exists inside a computer game we play.

This has a major impact on the story of the game. Because if the Dessendres are also in a simulated world... and you chose Verso's ending... you absolutely murdered an entire world based on the false belief it's just fake and therefore does not matter and all for the sake of some people in the "real world".. without realising the world you think is real is also just a simulation. The Dessendres absolutely deserve to live of course. But when they do, then so does Lumière.
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