what is the lore of the lampmaster ?

[Azzurra]

he seems to be an important nevron given that we are facing him at a key moment in the story and an entire side quest is dedicated to him+unique ost

anyone have more info ?

[Stone IV]

I'm going to assume that Lampmaster used to be a guide for the "Light", to usher Nervrons, which is under the command of The Paintress. I'd also assume that this was connected to the first Nevron you meet in the game, where you give the resin to, as they were looking for the "Light". That's just my headcanon.

[a passerby]

I could be wrong, but this is what I believe based on the dialogue with the faceless boy:

It was an abnormally powerful Nevron painted either by Clea out of jealousy of Verso's painting abilities to seemingly torment the fragment of Verso's soul.

The ending dialogue with the faceless boy also says "in dawn's embrace, the soul set free", so I also wonder if it's possible that the Lampmaster contains a fragment of Clea's soul, because we know that the canvas was made by both Verso and Clea.

[Azzurra]

Originally posted by a passerby:

I could be wrong, but this is what I believe based on the dialogue with the faceless boy:

It was an abnormally powerful Nevron painted either by Clea out of jealousy of Verso's painting abilities to seemingly torment the fragment of Verso's soul.

The ending dialogue with the faceless boy also says "in dawn's embrace, the soul set free", so I also wonder if it's possible that the Lampmaster contains a fragment of Clea's soul, because we know that the canvas was made by both Verso and Clea.

that would explain why he is locked up instead of just being deleted, I like that version

on the other hand I find strange this level of sadism from clea she really seemed to be sad about verso's death in the dialogue at the end of act II

[Ratsplat]

Originally posted by Azzurra:

Originally posted by a passerby:

I could be wrong, but this is what I believe based on the dialogue with the faceless boy:

It was an abnormally powerful Nevron painted either by Clea out of jealousy of Verso's painting abilities to seemingly torment the fragment of Verso's soul.

The ending dialogue with the faceless boy also says "in dawn's embrace, the soul set free", so I also wonder if it's possible that the Lampmaster contains a fragment of Clea's soul, because we know that the canvas was made by both Verso and Clea.

that would explain why he is locked up instead of just being deleted, I like that version

on the other hand I find strange this level of sadism from clea she really seemed to be sad about verso's death in the dialogue at the end of act II

The only reason to be mean to his soul is to hopefully destroy the canvas in a second way. If the war of parents fails, then torturing a soul until it literally self deletes everything is a contingency plan. Clea just wants everyone back in the 'real' world and move on so they can deal with the Writers.

[Kethanid]

Originally posted by Azzurra:

Originally posted by a passerby:

I could be wrong, but this is what I believe based on the dialogue with the faceless boy:

It was an abnormally powerful Nevron painted either by Clea out of jealousy of Verso's painting abilities to seemingly torment the fragment of Verso's soul.

The ending dialogue with the faceless boy also says "in dawn's embrace, the soul set free", so I also wonder if it's possible that the Lampmaster contains a fragment of Clea's soul, because we know that the canvas was made by both Verso and Clea.

that would explain why he is locked up instead of just being deleted, I like that version

on the other hand I find strange this level of sadism from clea she really seemed to be sad about verso's death in the dialogue at the end of act II

Clea's a different animal though, she manipulates Simon, paints over him, creates the lampmaster, overwrites the version of her in the canvas made by her mom. Then back in the *real* world she is arguably cold and manipulative to Alicia. Clea's a monster herself. At least that's how I interpreted her characterization.

One of the things I remember from inside the canvas was Francois crying by himself in the caves because he misses Clea, and she's effectively abandoned him there. It's kind of funny too that Francois is grumpy as can be when you interact with him and Esquie is funloving and free, might be mirrors of the kids when they created Francois and Esquie?

[Azzurra]

Originally posted by Ratsplat:

Originally posted by Azzurra:

that would explain why he is locked up instead of just being deleted, I like that version

on the other hand I find strange this level of sadism from clea she really seemed to be sad about verso's death in the dialogue at the end of act II

The only reason to be mean to his soul is to hopefully destroy the canvas in a second way. If the war of parents fails, then torturing a soul until it literally self deletes everything is a contingency plan. Clea just wants everyone back in the 'real' world and move on so they can deal with the Writers.

I see, that's interesting, but in that case why does he attack the expedition in story mode? They share the same goal don't they? (at least partly, since getting Aline out of the picture is a necessary step to destroy the verso painting)

[Ratsplat]

Originally posted by Azzurra:

Originally posted by Ratsplat:

The only reason to be mean to his soul is to hopefully destroy the canvas in a second way. If the war of parents fails, then torturing a soul until it literally self deletes everything is a contingency plan. Clea just wants everyone back in the 'real' world and move on so they can deal with the Writers.

I see, that's interesting, but in that case why does he attack the expedition in story mode? They share the same goal don't they? (at least partly, since getting Aline out of the picture is a necessary step)

Lampmaster? Except for the white ones, every Nevron is more like a mindless beast/machine that only has one goal. And that goal is to trap Chroma within bodies.

Same with Renoir, and why he attacks instead of just pouring tea for everyone then explaining.

[Azzurra]

ok I understand a bit better, thanks guys

[Kethanid]

Originally posted by Azzurra:

Originally posted by Ratsplat:

The only reason to be mean to his soul is to hopefully destroy the canvas in a second way. If the war of parents fails, then torturing a soul until it literally self deletes everything is a contingency plan. Clea just wants everyone back in the 'real' world and move on so they can deal with the Writers.

I see, that's interesting, but in that case why does he attack the expedition in story mode? They share the same goal don't they? (at least partly, since getting Aline out of the picture is a necessary step to destroy the verso painting)

If you haven't finished the game or at least confronted Renoir, it's a major spoiler as to why he attacked the expedition.

[Azzurra]

Originally posted by Kethanid:

Originally posted by Azzurra:

I see, that's interesting, but in that case why does he attack the expedition in story mode? They share the same goal don't they? (at least partly, since getting Aline out of the picture is a necessary step to destroy the verso painting)

If you haven't finished the game or at least confronted Renoir, it's a major spoiler as to why he attacked the expedition.

I've finished the game but not done yet all the secondary bosses including clea (maybe that's why I'm missing some lore pieces too)

for the attack against the expedition I was talking about the lampmaster not renoir

[a passerby]

Originally posted by Azzurra:

on the other hand I find strange this level of sadism from clea she really seemed to be sad about verso's death in the dialogue at the end of act II

Thing about Clea is that she doesn't have much interest in painting even though she's pretty talented. She also doesn't really think of the painted folk as people at all and is by far the least sympathetic to the beings in the canvas as compared to Aline and Renoir. She makes Renoir look like a saint in comparison tbh.

[Shin Happens]

Originally posted by a passerby:

Originally posted by Azzurra:

on the other hand I find strange this level of sadism from clea she really seemed to be sad about verso's death in the dialogue at the end of act II

Thing about Clea is that she doesn't have much interest in painting even though she's pretty talented. She also doesn't really think of the painted folk as people at all and is by far the least sympathetic to the beings in the canvas as compared to Aline and Renoir. She makes Renoir look like a saint in comparison tbh.

And you mostly learn that in the Flying Manor that tells us a bit more about what Clea did in the canvas, or how she is, and what she thinks.

Young Verso explicitly tells the party in the Flying Manor that according to him everyone in the canvas is alive, real and has a soul... Clea however does not think so, as he tells the party. And we see that she overpainted her mother's Painted Clea, so this painted Clea would continue painting Nevrons for basically forever, because Clea herself has no time to waste, she wants to deal with the writers in the real world and does not want to keep painting Nevrons herself.

And in turn this twisted Painted Clea became crazy, a bit like Simon who too was overpainted.

The Dessendres are horrible people for the most part.