does it contains DEI agenda?

[Leziropav]

also does game just being focused on narrative ? after killing final boss then post-credit and tada its just finished ?

[Ryu]

the devs are french so its a red flag, but so far it doesn't seems to have

[Julius]

Цитата допису Ryu:

the devs are french so its a red flag, but so far it doesn't seems to have

not all french people are woke
especially since wokeism is something that the usa is trying to impose on the world

[thekastrokuz]

Maybe, in the French localization, they use the term 'peintresse' for the antagonist; it's a deliberately inclusive neologism meant to feminize the word 'peintre,' which is grammatically neutral but traditionally perceived as encompassing both masculine and feminine depending on the context. This choice could reflect a thematic decision to explore the debates around inclusive language and gender representation in French.

In France, inclusive language ("écriture inclusive") has sparked significant debate. Its goal is to make gender more visible in the language, particularly by feminizing traditionally masculine terms (e.g., "autrice" for "auteur," "ingénieure" for "ingénieur") and using forms like the median point (e.g., "les étudiant·e·s") to include both genders in written communication.

Supporters argue that:

Visibility of women: It helps recognize and highlight women's presence in various fields, challenging the traditional notion that the masculine form is gender-neutral.

Promoting equality: The language shift is seen as a step toward gender equality, as it addresses a linguistic bias that has historically marginalized women.

Critics argue that:

Complexity and readability: The use of inclusive language, especially the median point, can make texts more difficult to read and less accessible, particularly for people with dyslexia or language learners.

Tradition vs. modernity: Many see it as an unnecessary complication of the language that disrupts its historical structure.

Effectiveness: Some question whether changing language will actually change societal attitudes, arguing that concrete actions are more important than linguistic reforms.

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[Rich]

It certainly looks like a solid candidate for wokeness. I really hope not tho because it looks great. When you have studios like worsehorse I dont trust any western games now to not have an agenda. Iv mainly been playing eastern developed games as they focus more on gameplay mechanics and a story without forcing ideals down your throat every 5 minutes. I'll be following this one closely but im not gonna hold my breath for it being based.

[樹皮]

Цитата допису Rich:

It certainly looks like a solid candidate for wokeness. I really hope not tho because it looks great. When you have studios like worsehorse I dont trust any western games now to not have an agenda. Iv mainly been playing eastern developed games as they focus more on gameplay mechanics and a story without forcing ideals down your throat every 5 minutes. I'll be following this one closely but im not gonna hold my breath for it being based.

Hell yeah man I love all those non-political eastern games like Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear, Yakuza, Persona...

...Hey wait a minute.

[Retro]

Цитата допису 樹皮:

Цитата допису Rich:

It certainly looks like a solid candidate for wokeness. I really hope not tho because it looks great. When you have studios like worsehorse I dont trust any western games now to not have an agenda. Iv mainly been playing eastern developed games as they focus more on gameplay mechanics and a story without forcing ideals down your throat every 5 minutes. I'll be following this one closely but im not gonna hold my breath for it being based.

Hell yeah man I love all those non-political eastern games like Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear, Yakuza, Persona...

...Hey wait a minute.

While games like Final Fantasy 7 and Metal Gear undeniably weave political and social commentary into their narratives, they do so in a manner that enriches the storytelling rather than overshadowing the gameplay or player engagement. The distinction I'm highlighting isn't about the absence of politics in Eastern games but how these themes are integrated - seamlessly and often subtly, enhancing the depth of the game world without compromising the core gaming experience. Western games, on the other hand, sometimes prioritize message over mechanics, leading to a noticeable shift in focus that can feel more like an agenda than an aspect of world-building. This isn't about games being apolitical; it's about the balance and integration of those elements. I'm keen to see if this new game can maintain that delicate equilibrium.

[Captain Spaulding]

Цитата допису Retro:

Цитата допису 樹皮:

Hell yeah man I love all those non-political eastern games like Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear, Yakuza, Persona...

...Hey wait a minute.

While games like Final Fantasy 7 and Metal Gear undeniably weave political and social commentary into their narratives, they do so in a manner that enriches the storytelling rather than overshadowing the gameplay or player engagement. The distinction I'm highlighting isn't about the absence of politics in Eastern games but how these themes are integrated - seamlessly and often subtly, enhancing the depth of the game world without compromising the core gaming experience. Western games, on the other hand, sometimes prioritize message over mechanics, leading to a noticeable shift in focus that can feel more like an agenda than an aspect of world-building. This isn't about games being apolitical; it's about the balance and integration of those elements. I'm keen to see if this new game can maintain that delicate equilibrium.

Fully agree... the Western devs that do this hit you over the head with the "message" instead of placing it in a broader context, with that broader context being the actual world they want to create, many times. Instead of letting the overall atmosphere and overarching atmosphere be dominant, you get "messages" as subtle as an elephant in a china room. And this makes the game much much worse.

Take modern RPGs, where this subtlety vs in-your-face approach is also visible. It's much like UI for many Western games (and these were the ones leading the charger) has worsened materially over the years, like it seems aimed at individuals with stubbed brains. Arrows, the infamous yellow paint on walls/floor, arrows and so on. Whereas 10-15-20 years ago, you got limited information and you actually had to read and piece information together. This made for a much nicer exploration (think Gothic series, for example, with its limited UI formula successfully replicated by Elden Ring).

[Korinth]

Цитата допису Captain Spaulding:

Цитата допису Retro:

While games like Final Fantasy 7 and Metal Gear undeniably weave political and social commentary into their narratives, they do so in a manner that enriches the storytelling rather than overshadowing the gameplay or player engagement. The distinction I'm highlighting isn't about the absence of politics in Eastern games but how these themes are integrated - seamlessly and often subtly, enhancing the depth of the game world without compromising the core gaming experience. Western games, on the other hand, sometimes prioritize message over mechanics, leading to a noticeable shift in focus that can feel more like an agenda than an aspect of world-building. This isn't about games being apolitical; it's about the balance and integration of those elements. I'm keen to see if this new game can maintain that delicate equilibrium.

Fully agree... the Western devs that do this hit you over the head with the "message" instead of placing it in a broader context, with that broader context being the actual world they want to create, many times. Instead of letting the overall atmosphere and overarching atmosphere be dominant, you get "messages" as subtle as an elephant in a china room. And this makes the game much much worse.

Take modern RPGs, where this subtlety vs in-your-face approach is also visible. It's much like UI for many Western games (and these were the ones leading the charger) has worsened materially over the years, like it seems aimed at individuals with stubbed brains. Arrows, the infamous yellow paint on walls/floor, arrows and so on. Whereas 10-15-20 years ago, you got limited information and you actually had to read and piece information together. This made for a much nicer exploration (think Gothic series, for example, with its limited UI formula successfully replicated by Elden Ring).

I feel this because I was optimizing Horizon Forbidden West on my PC yesterday and I felt obligated to download he "Shut Up Aloy" mod

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3413673421

I mean come on bruh, you can't even look around without the character telling you what to do geez. Even worst, they talk so much that if you're going too fast for them it cut their dialogues "maybe I should do this" GEEZ I KNOW I ALREADY DID so it's even more forced.

[Nutrie]

Цитата допису Zephyr Workshop:

only if you're brainpoisoned by the youtube/twitter algorithm, no one cares about that stuff outside of a small and irrelevant mental bubble

No need to behave like a moron or to act like you're some kind of PhD psychiatrist, or social justice warrior. If you don't like the thread or don't agree with the OP, you can just ignore it.

The majority of people on this planet actually do care about this brainwashing campaign. It is you who are living in a bubble.

[Nutrie]

I would also like to know this. Judging by the attractive female character, I would guess it doesn't contain any DEI agenda. But I won't hold my breath, we'll see after the game releases.

[Lydhe]

The DEI is dead. If some developers want to continue down that path, good luck to them.

[Discombobulating]

Won't buy if it has DEI.

[Scott]

Цитата допису Hexenhammer:

Цитата допису Horrorscope CC97:

Or they need growth and they think by trying to INCLUDE more people that will happen. I get their logic, but it doesn't seem to be working. Perhaps people are mistaking politics with growth to feed the wall street beast? White males are tapped out, find other avenues.

You cant grow by excluding/annoying the majority.

you see this is where DEI fearmongering arguments fall apart; they have to pretend having black people in games is "excluding and annoying the majory" when in reality they're just projecting their own racism.

no reasonable white person is bothered having a black protagonist dealing with issues exclusive to black people, just you do. same goes for any other minority you put in that place.

and the "exclusion" bit is hilarious coming from a member of the group known for harassing developers out of having minorities in prominent positions in a story; you're not "excluding" white people by having a black protagonist, snowflake.

[Unknownsurfin]

Цитата допису Scott:

Цитата допису Hexenhammer:

You cant grow by excluding/annoying the majority.

you see this is where DEI fearmongering arguments fall apart; they have to pretend having black people in games is "excluding and annoying the majory" when in reality they're just projecting their own racism.

no white reasonable person is bothered having a black protagonist dealing with issues exclusive to black people, just you do. same goes for any other minority you put in that place.

and the "exclusion" bit is hilarious coming from a member of the group known for harassing developers out of having minorities in prominent positions in a story; you're not "excluding" white people by having a black protagonist, snowflake.

Your comment is entirley formualted of strawmanning, Lies, rhetoric, projection, fallacies and abuse. Take that away and you have nothing.

[Pythius]

Цитата допису Axelhander:

Цитата допису Axelhander:

DEI agendas are stupid.

This reactionary paranoia to them is equally stupid.

Don't make me tap the sign.

This Sign of yours needs to be found an tapped kind sir. Maybe i could go track down the school bus this sign of yours is trapped on for you right fast.