Question as a Fate anime fan

[Caelestus]

I know the anime is based off of a Hentai game. I am not looking for that... Is this game like that? I do not mind nudity, and I do not mind sexual content, I just do not want the game to be focused on Hentai.

That aside, how does the game play? Is there total freedom of movement, or are your railroaded like FF11-13?

[Raitoiro]

allknowingeel původně napsal:

Although you could argue fate stay night is somewhat improper because caster is a master and summons a fake assassin and due to what we see in Heavens Feel

FSN HGW is super improper : First and foremost the grail is corrupted, Gilgamesh is still around, Kirei is an undead (sort of) connected to the grail, the war takes place too soon, Medea summons a servant, Sakura is walking around with bits of the grail inside her, a future version of one of the participant is summoned, the world is almost destroyed, and that's still ignoring the weird stuff with Bazet and angra or how the grail is permanently destroyed in HF.

By comparison, Apocrypha is much more proper, the only anomalies are Shiro and where it takes place, otherwise the grail is the original one (stolen by Darnic and the germans), the 2 teams + ruler is apparently a feature of the original system, and more importantly the grail isn't corrupted and was almost successfully used for its intended purposed.

Also, if we want to compare Samurai Remanant to another HGW, then the closest is Strange Fake since both are botched imitation based on observation of the real thing, both have around 14 servants, don't take place in Fuyuki, have the ritual creator taking part in the war on behalf of their country, a god being summoned in the body of someone close to a master, a master altering their servant despite that making them weaker, a large extremely powerful bovine divine beast being summoned, non-humans participants, Gilgamesh, and a master learning to fight to become on par with a servant..

[allknowingeel]

Raitoiro původně napsal:

allknowingeel původně napsal:

Although you could argue fate stay night is somewhat improper because caster is a master and summons a fake assassin and due to what we see in Heavens Feel

FSN HGW is super improper : First and foremost the grail is corrupted, Gilgamesh is still around, Kirei is an undead (sort of) connected to the grail, the war takes place too soon, Medea summons a servant, Sakura is walking around with bits of the grail inside her, a future version of one of the participant is summoned, the world is almost destroyed, and that's still ignoring the weird stuff with Bazet and angra or how the grail is permanently destroyed in HF.

By comparison, Apocrypha is much more proper, the only anomalies are Shiro and where it takes place, otherwise the grail is the original one (stolen by Darnic and the germans), the 2 teams + ruler is apparently a feature of the original system, and more importantly the grail isn't corrupted and was almost successfully used for its intended purposed.

Also, if we want to compare Samurai Remanant to another HGW, then the closest is Strange Fake since both are botched imitation based on observation of the real thing, both have around 14 servants, don't take place in Fuyuki, have the ritual creator taking part in the war on behalf of their country, a god being summoned in the body of someone close to a master, a master altering their servant despite that making them weaker, a large extremely powerful bovine divine beast being summoned, non-humans participants, Gilgamesh, and a master learning to fight to become on par with a servant..

Source for a ruler being part of the original system? Type moon wiki states : "The Fuyuki Grail utilizes its own logic to sense when actions are encroaching upon its authority, and regardless of other mediators like those from the Church, it brings forth Ruler to protect the concept of the Holy Grail War itself. In the case of the reserve system of the Greater Grail being activated in the Great Holy Grail War, Ruler takes neither side of the battle, but only acts in the interest of the Grail. The Ruler-class Servants are given Command Spells for the other Servants." The Fyuki grail did not summon a ruler because it did not sense that something was encroaching on it's authority, the one in Apocrypha did, this it is not a proper holy grail war. Further more, the wiki states that the Apocrypha holy grail war is abnormal: " As a highly abnormal situation, it makes for a very different battle than the Fuyuki Wars. Rather than each Servant having to form separate strategies, teams of Servants allow for Servants like Berserker, Assassin, and Caster that would normally have difficulty surviving in single combat to show their full potential.

Due to the unprecedented nature of the Great War, the Holy Grail sees it as an abnormal encroachment of its authority no matter how much the system has been altered. The status of an impartial overseer is only outside interference, so it disregards whether they exist or not and instead uses its own logic to call upon a Servant to act as Ruler of the Holy Grail War. Ruler does not serve one side or the other, but protects the very concept of the Holy Grail War."

As for the Fyuki holy grail war things you mentioned,Gilgamesh having a body is due to the holy grail of the last war giving him a physical body and thus has nothing to do with the current holy grail war, same thing with Kirei, these are not related at all to the fifth holy grail war. Medea summoning a servant is irregular, same with the shadow, but that is a hell of a lot more normal than the one in Apocrypha which sensed something was so wrong that it literally called forth a ruler. As for the grail being corrupted, yeah sure, but the set up is much more of how an actual holy grail war is meant to be done, 7 servants (not counting Gil as he is part of the previous war), 7 masters all figthing,

The comparison to strange fake makes more sense.

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This is the most legitimate concern thread I've seen in regards to anything anime.

[allknowingeel]

Garbage původně napsal:

This is the most legitimate concern thread I've seen in regards to anything anime.

We're just talking about things we're passionate about.

[Renari]

Caelestus původně napsal:

I know the anime is based off of a Hentai game. I am not looking for that... Is this game like that? I do not mind nudity, and I do not mind sexual content, I just do not want the game to be focused on Hentai.

That aside, how does the game play? Is there total freedom of movement, or are your railroaded like FF11-13?

You'll be happy to know that even Fate/Stay Night, the game you are referring to as a hentai game doesn't even focus on that, you're talking about what is essentially 30m of sex scenes in a 40+ hour VN.

[allknowingeel]

Renari původně napsal:

Caelestus původně napsal:

I know the anime is based off of a Hentai game. I am not looking for that... Is this game like that? I do not mind nudity, and I do not mind sexual content, I just do not want the game to be focused on Hentai.

That aside, how does the game play? Is there total freedom of movement, or are your railroaded like FF11-13?

You'll be happy to know that even Fate/Stay Night, the game you are referring to as a hentai game doesn't even focus on that, you're talking about what is essentially 30m of sex scenes in a 40+ hour VN.

The fight scenes in stay night actually surprised me in how good they were. Shows how that if you know what you're doing, even with just static images, camera cuts, music, sound effects, induced movement, you can make a good fight scene. The visual novel carries a lot of themes such as the fate route carrying "oneself as an ideal" and sets out the main character. The Unlimited Blade Works route having "struggling with oneself as an ideal" and asks what it means to actually be a hero and if it something that a person should really wish for? And Heavens Feel "the friction with real and ideal" which goes more into the theme of what it means to be a hero and has psychological horror elements. It also has themes about valuing yourself and human life, ideas of conquering yourself etc.

The author of fate actually had things to say about it:
Nasu: To speak about Fate specifically, the first Saber route serves as the basis for the player's common knowledge. It explains the rules of the world and the protagonist's general circumstances, but doesn't touch on why Emiya Shirou is such a twisted human being. It just leaves you with the impression that there's something wrong with this protagonist. Next, Rin's route builds on the player's common knowledge to reveal the truth of Shirou's problems, and moves in the direction of solving them. But, that alone doesn't get to solving Shirou's problems as a damaged human being, so the final Sakura route contains my answer to how this twisted protagonist can grow as a person and spread his wings. In this way, by bringing readers to the story's final destination, I could tell the story of Fate and show the appeal of each heroine, as well as describe how Emiya Shirou eventually ends up as a human. Those were my ideas at the time.

So yeah, the sex scenes are pretty pointless in all honesty, maybe with some relevance in Heavens Feel due to, reasons.