Ending 4 and 5 should not exist

[yuufinee]

*Major spoilers for the Endings*




I have serious problems with Endings 4 and 5. Ending 4 and 5 are basically the same ending but ending 4 just gives you more information as to how it all plays out. The main issue I have here is the reason why it plays out the way it does. Ending 4 shows the NTR and Ending 5 implies NTR by having the FMC call herself “filthy” (since they are pretty much the same). Although NTR isn’t most peoples’ cup of tea, this isn’t the main issue I have with the endings. It’s the justification for NTR story wise. It was her decision to use her body in that way in order to put them in prison for their wrong doings against the MC. However, the stupid thing here is that her justification makes literally no sense if you look at the other endings. Ending 1-3 turn her into a serial killer and explains that she already committed murder and says that 3 more murders wouldn’t change anything less. So why isn’t this justification shown in ending 4/5? Why does there need to be NTR when she can simply kill them instead? In fact, them knowing her number just made it easier to bait them into the house and stack bodies. Her death sentence remains the same either way so why does she need to risk the chance that the MC finds out about her affairs? She clearly doesn’t enjoy the experience as she literally says that she felt filthy and couldn’t allow herself to touch the MC anymore. So there’s no reason for her to put herself in that situation.

Now another way to look at this while keeping the NTR factor available is if she were to frame the 3 guys about her previous murders. At least in this case it would make much more sense as to why she would put herself in that situation compared to having NTR just to have NTR.

I know this is just a hentai and story doesn’t exactly mix well with hentai, but c’mon, I can’t get hard when trying to unlock all CGs knowing that this was the context for 2 of them.

[keha]

Glad I didn’t get those endings cause ew LOL probably not gonna play through again if that’s the case

[VevoAlie]

''the stupid thing here is that her justification makes literally no sense'' Isnt that literally every ntr story?

[ElZenpai]

"the stupid thing here is that her justification makes literally no sense" i mean, you just describe the NTR genre jajaja, i been finding more people that dont like NTR for the story than for what represents xD.

[☆King Rocket☆]

The thing is though, I feel NTR are done better when it is unapologetically stupid or brutal in a story written for that genre.
This for example felt like it get stapled on last minute because the dev get pressured into making an NTR route.

[Nopesaurus]

Glad to see I'm not the one who feels bothered by it story-wise, too. I actually bothered to read through the dialoge (I felt VERY dirty having seen the first ending first...). From what I gathered delinquent A said something regarding the fact that he knew where Shin was, implying that they had him caged somewhere in order to make her comply, while Minami knew it was a lie (they even proposed to bring her other mild students they had caged just for her to have fun). What irks me is that not only she played along whith a blatant lie, but that if he was alone, as he was the first times, she could have just killed him on the spot or rather baited him and the other scum along to her house in order to murder them both and gg, like a ending two slightly different. Another thing, why the teacher shtick? What is the point, how does he enter the picture? When have they met, in what circumstances?

My personal idea is that she hadn't at the time still thought how to deal with the two of them and that the thought of them having something on her made her lose her cool and fall for the obvious trap, so, in the end, she had to play along in orther to gather them both (as in the first istances their intercouses where brief and with just delinquent A) in a location where she could frame them for something as if she had killed deliqnuent A, well, she would never het her hands on deliquent B. It does fit, just, it NEEDS a lot of thinking from the reader to make it FIT. It just feels distasteful and poorly written while the other three routes felt so well structured.

Sorry if I made mistakes, english isn't my first language..

[Snow]

couldnt agree more, i cant even finish the game because the devs want me to play that gross ♥♥♥♥ for the achievements. sadly this is a game i cant complete 100% because no way am i doing that. I really wish ugly bastard and NTR was banned globally, i really do. its for cucks with low self esteem

[Snow]

Originally posted by ☆King Rocket☆:

The thing is though, I feel NTR are done better when it is unapologetically stupid or brutal in a story written for that genre.
This for example felt like it get stapled on last minute because the dev get pressured into making an NTR route.

Theirs not one good NTR story made, Unless its a guy helping a woman getting out of an abusive relationship etc, besides that, its the most gross and disgusting genre made by insecure manlets. It has no respect for the women either and just sees them as lustful objects

[Alex4M]

Originally posted by Natsumi:

couldnt agree more, i cant even finish the game because the devs want me to play that gross ♥♥♥♥ for the achievements. sadly this is a game i cant complete 100% because no way am i doing that. I really wish ugly bastard and NTR was banned globally, i really do. its for cucks with low self esteem

They removed the achievements for endings 4 and 5 so you can 100% the game without those 2 endings.

[Ellie the Red]

Originally posted by Alex4M:

Originally posted by Natsumi:

couldnt agree more, i cant even finish the game because the devs want me to play that gross ♥♥♥♥ for the achievements. sadly this is a game i cant complete 100% because no way am i doing that. I really wish ugly bastard and NTR was banned globally, i really do. its for cucks with low self esteem

They removed the achievements for endings 4 and 5 so you can 100% the game without those 2 endings.

Should simply remove those endings entirely. Throw ending 3 in the bin too.

There's absolutely 0 narrative reason for those endings to exist at all aside from shock value and making the character look pathetic. I get this is a hentai game and were all not really known for respecting wamen tbh but some ♥♥♥♥ is just way over the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ line

[ミトラ]

I like NTR

[ddpaule]

Uhm all porn is technically ntr your a cuck on a sideline.

[2Ptsa]

To some extent, we can be calm, because logically, the NTR route simply cannot exist. At the moment of separation between a normal game and not (to give a phone number), the MC simply does not have her number. As well as the phone itself. (Or maybe I just missed the moment when he gets it)

[| нsт | Victorino Mora]

I remember I played this when it came out, fell in love with the Minami, and the writers did an amazing job with her. In all endings. I didn't bother playing the NTR because I thought it would ruin my experience of opinion of Minami.

Well today 2 years later I decided to play through it and might as well do NTR to say I 100% this game fully with all endings. And NTR doesn't make any sense, it can't make any sense.

Aside from the logical plot hole that MC doesn't have her number, can't have her number, and is later established in the game that she added him as a contact when he "eventually" does get a phone, how and why would he give the phone number?

Second, her logic behind sleeping with other men is braindead logic. She clearly didn't enjoy it, didn't want it to happen, and felt she had lost her purity from MC and all she did was cause him suffering. There's a point made where she stopped "caring" about MC and his injury on his ankle, but still cared enough to lose purity? Why would she not care about his well being to the point she stopped taking care of him, but still care about being pure for him?

I thought the NTR was going to be more cuckhold where she calls another guy (the bully) and falls in love with him or something and goes through that route where MC ends up killing himself or something. But she never lost interest in MC, only did NTR because she thought it was necessary, but by this point why would she think that if she already killed her parents?

Overall NTR is just not canon and poorly done.

[Alice]

The NTR routes make sense when you consider the mindset of Minami and the sitch she found herself in sicne the MC gave her number in the NTR endings.

First off, Either Minami herself or the bully himself put in a "we/you have the MC" sitch into play when the bully called her. Given the sitch when you give the phone number to the bully, as well as later in the game's NTR routes, it's clear based on what's said by Minami and the Bullies that it's more likely it was the bully himself who said "we have the MC" and used that to blackmail her. At this point, Minami has to consider some risky factors. Spoilers for the story as a whole btw. For one, if the bully causes any trouble or looks her up online to find where she lives and the police somehow get involved, that very well could ruin her plan of giving the MC a break she so desperately wants to continue becus the MC NEEDS the break. Its unlikely the first time we find out they're doing it, was the first time, she likely had to go somewhere more public or private and either way if she straight up killed the bully b4 the MC had his time to rest, it again, risks the police showing up since now that's TWO missing persons, foul play would be suspected and police would investigate. So, she essentially was forced to play along and do things she herself, didn't wish to do and change her OG plan to kill them into framing them. And 2nd off, the bully clearly knew she cared for the MC so he likely made that known so if she lied and said she didn't, he would suspect she was hiding the MC and call the cops on her, so again, she had to do what he said (Though the tables eventually got flipped and they did what she wanted them to do)

Now adding to that, at the start i said, you need to consider Minami's mindset, the above was just the sitch as it likely unfolded and makes THE most logical sense. Her mindset however is WHY she was able to let them defile her. She'd already sunk too low, she doesn't have much self respect for herself to begin with given what she's been through. Adding to that, she's given up on her future and the whole game her one goal was always making sure she could help in any way, the MC. So, becus the MC in one timeline gave up her number, this is what set those events into motion however, what truly made the NTR routes perfect for the game was that even when she was doing this, she never faltered, she never stopped caring about the MC (*More down below) she never forgot or lost the goal she set out to do and her line about giving them her lives was clear on that, followed by when she realized the MC found out what happened (Albeit, not the full story sadly), she realized she hurt him the most out of everyone and apologized a bunch. It was all for the MC, but she didn't consider A) That he might find out B) That it would even hurt him like that and C) that what she was doing was wrong as in her eyes, she was just trying to help the MC in the only way she knew how (Again, she couldn't kill them anymore, so she had to frame them and its pretty obvs the police would know she killed her parents so couldn't frame them for that)

* Now, becus of the defilement, she herself became dirty in her own words, in her own words this is why she distanced herself from the MC but also becus she was having to drug him (put him to sleep) a lot in order to hide the defilement and maybe other stuff we aren't privy too becus the game sadly does not have a Minami perspective that's unlocked when you finish all 5 endings. (Doesn't need it but I wouldn't say no to it) so she felt incredible guilt and stopped looking at him hence why she didn't notice the injury and other things but she still cared for him, its the entire reason she was doing what she was doing in every ending of the game including 4 & 5. IIRC there was one scene she noticed something was wrong with his mood, but prolly fig'd he just had a bad day, or maybe even worried he found out but couldn't talk about it unless he spoke up which he did not when she asked him what was wrong. (And then further distancing happened ofc after that)

When people are in a dark place, they lose a lot, including of themselves. Life isn't easy, people are complex and this game from the get go made it clear, this may be fictional but it wanted to tell a story about people who're as complex and real as people irl and imo, esp with Endings 4 and 5 included, it succeeded at telling that story.

Now all that said, if there wasn't a sitch where she gave the MC her phone number then ok, that I will agree on was a over sight UNLESS he had it when she moved away. Its worth mentioning the MC doesn't have a cell sure, but that doesn't mean he didn't already have her number b4 she moved. Just throwing the possibility out there. That aside though, Endings 4 and 5 are just as well done as the other endings are. That said Ending 1 is the only canon ending, the game makes that clear since no proper credits on the other endings nor do the other endings unlock the other game mode. I digress though, my point is Endings 4 and 5 don't contradict the other endings nor the chars themselves and are just as valid as the rest and just as well done too. I'm not even into NTR and I say these endings should exist since they were already made for one, but for another add depth to Minami and gives depth to the story and its chars. I am glad they did remove the NTR achievements though as well as added in an option to not have them enabled since plenty don't wanna see or touch NTR though you're doing yourself a disservice by not seeing Endings 4 and 5 (I'd see Endings 5 and then 4 in that order if you choose to do so). Bonus points that certain info from endings 4 & 5 lines up with the other endings such as who was donating to the MC's fam.

[xCyrozx]

Originally posted by Alice:

The NTR routes make sense when you consider the mindset of Minami and the sitch she found herself in sicne the MC gave her number in the NTR endings.

First off, Either Minami herself or the bully himself put in a "we/you have the MC" sitch into play when the bully called her. Given the sitch when you give the phone number to the bully, as well as later in the game's NTR routes, it's clear based on what's said by Minami and the Bullies that it's more likely it was the bully himself who said "we have the MC" and used that to blackmail her. At this point, Minami has to consider some risky factors. Spoilers for the story as a whole btw. For one, if the bully causes any trouble or looks her up online to find where she lives and the police somehow get involved, that very well could ruin her plan of giving the MC a break she so desperately wants to continue becus the MC NEEDS the break. Its unlikely the first time we find out they're doing it, was the first time, she likely had to go somewhere more public or private and either way if she straight up killed the bully b4 the MC had his time to rest, it again, risks the police showing up since now that's TWO missing persons, foul play would be suspected and police would investigate. So, she essentially was forced to play along and do things she herself, didn't wish to do and change her OG plan to kill them into framing them. And 2nd off, the bully clearly knew she cared for the MC so he likely made that known so if she lied and said she didn't, he would suspect she was hiding the MC and call the cops on her, so again, she had to do what he said (Though the tables eventually got flipped and they did what she wanted them to do)

Now adding to that, at the start i said, you need to consider Minami's mindset, the above was just the sitch as it likely unfolded and makes THE most logical sense. Her mindset however is WHY she was able to let them defile her. She'd already sunk too low, she doesn't have much self respect for herself to begin with given what she's been through. Adding to that, she's given up on her future and the whole game her one goal was always making sure she could help in any way, the MC. So, becus the MC in one timeline gave up her number, this is what set those events into motion however, what truly made the NTR routes perfect for the game was that even when she was doing this, she never faltered, she never stopped caring about the MC (*More down below) she never forgot or lost the goal she set out to do and her line about giving them her lives was clear on that, followed by when she realized the MC found out what happened (Albeit, not the full story sadly), she realized she hurt him the most out of everyone and apologized a bunch. It was all for the MC, but she didn't consider A) That he might find out B) That it would even hurt him like that and C) that what she was doing was wrong as in her eyes, she was just trying to help the MC in the only way she knew how (Again, she couldn't kill them anymore, so she had to frame them and its pretty obvs the police would know she killed her parents so couldn't frame them for that)

* Now, becus of the defilement, she herself became dirty in her own words, in her own words this is why she distanced herself from the MC but also becus she was having to drug him (put him to sleep) a lot in order to hide the defilement and maybe other stuff we aren't privy too becus the game sadly does not have a Minami perspective that's unlocked when you finish all 5 endings. (Doesn't need it but I wouldn't say no to it) so she felt incredible guilt and stopped looking at him hence why she didn't notice the injury and other things but she still cared for him, its the entire reason she was doing what she was doing in every ending of the game including 4 & 5. IIRC there was one scene she noticed something was wrong with his mood, but prolly fig'd he just had a bad day, or maybe even worried he found out but couldn't talk about it unless he spoke up which he did not when she asked him what was wrong. (And then further distancing happened ofc after that)

When people are in a dark place, they lose a lot, including of themselves. Life isn't easy, people are complex and this game from the get go made it clear, this may be fictional but it wanted to tell a story about people who're as complex and real as people irl and imo, esp with Endings 4 and 5 included, it succeeded at telling that story.

Now all that said, if there wasn't a sitch where she gave the MC her phone number then ok, that I will agree on was a over sight UNLESS he had it when she moved away. Its worth mentioning the MC doesn't have a cell sure, but that doesn't mean he didn't already have her number b4 she moved. Just throwing the possibility out there. That aside though, Endings 4 and 5 are just as well done as the other endings are. That said Ending 1 is the only canon ending, the game makes that clear since no proper credits on the other endings nor do the other endings unlock the other game mode. I digress though, my point is Endings 4 and 5 don't contradict the other endings nor the chars themselves and are just as valid as the rest and just as well done too. I'm not even into NTR and I say these endings should exist since they were already made for one, but for another add depth to Minami and gives depth to the story and its chars. I am glad they did remove the NTR achievements though as well as added in an option to not have them enabled since plenty don't wanna see or touch NTR though you're doing yourself a disservice by not seeing Endings 4 and 5 (I'd see Endings 5 and then 4 in that order if you choose to do so). Bonus points that certain info from endings 4 & 5 lines up with the other endings such as who was donating to the MC's fam.

even though this ending sounds reasonable but still, after you complete ending 1 and try to get ending 4 or 5 it is very disgusting. In the end, although Minami succeeded in eliminating all of MC's obstacles, she also became the one who hurt MC. Why did he remove all obstacles but he ended up hurting MC?
Yes, even so, this is all just my opinion. Ending 1 is truly canon