Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

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Keen Jun 17, 2024 @ 1:08am
New EULA and why would anyone accept that ?
Heya, did any of you accept this new EULA ?

Feels like there's so many wrong things with it, I'm European and a lot of this would be illegal because of our consumers protecting rights.
I don't want to get "The Crewed" and the fact that it is considered "licensing" AFTER I already "paid" for the game in 2023 is so messed up...
Anyway I still wanna play the game but not under so many rules so... I guess piracy is the right way. (Yeah I've already beat the game multiple times and got every achievements but I still wanna play while doing some challenges I give to myself)

I've Butchered some bits of the EULA
By purchasing, downloading or using the software product (“Software”), you agree to the terms of this Software Product License Agreement (“Agreement”). This Agreement is between PlayStation Mobile Inc. and you for mobile games, and PlayStation Publishing LLC and you for PC games (PlayStation Mobile Inc. or PlayStation Publishing LLC, “SIE”). If you do not agree to the terms of this Agreement, do not purchase, download or use the Software. Please read this entire Agreement, which governs your use of the Software. Your use of the Software is also subject to the PlayStation Privacy Policy. 1. GRANT OF LICENSE The Software is licensed to you, not sold. SIE grants to you a limited, non-exclusive license to use the Software for personal use on the system or device for which it was purchased. The license grant in this section is only effective after the SIE-authorized release date of the Software. 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Originally posted by Zappy:
Originally posted by Keen:
Heya, did any of you accept this new EULA ? Feels like there's so many wrong things with it,-
Just to make sure, are you aware that the ONLY difference to the previous version is "PlayStation PC LLC" being changed to "PlayStation Publishing LLC", the two times that it appears on the first line/paragraph?
Source: Using any online diff-checker to compare [the current EULA] (as of the 11th of June, 2024) to [the previous EULA][web.archive.org] (as of the 4th of December, 2023).

The only other differences compared to the very first version are...
- Changing "(“SIE” and you)" to "and you for mobile games, and PlayStation PC LLC and you for PC games (PlayStation Mobile Inc. or PlayStation PC LLC, “SIE”)", on the first line/paragraph.
- Whitespace changes (removing a space at the end of most lines in the "4. CODE OF CONDUCT" section; not changing any text).
- Adding "You are bound by this Agreement’s most current version. SIE may modify this Agreement’s terms at any time. Please check this URL from time to time for changes to this Agreement. Your continued access to or use of the Software will signify your acceptance of the latest version of this Agreement." into the "8. MISCELLANEOUS" section.
- Changing "11. ADDITIONAL TERMS" to "11. ADDITIONAL TERMS FOR MOBILE GAMES".


I agree that the EULA looks bad (not "bad"-bad, just as in "it says so much disconcerting, unnecessary fluff, like almost all EULAs do") - but it basically says the exact same now as when you bought the game.
Additionally, it has a section specifically about Apple iOS software, so it's clear that this is just a copy-pasted template that Sony uses for all of their games, with all edge cases (e.g. a multiplayer game's servers being shut down after 20 years) covered just in case.
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Zappy Jun 17, 2024 @ 1:54am 
Originally posted by Keen:
Heya, did any of you accept this new EULA ? Feels like there's so many wrong things with it,-
Just to make sure, are you aware that the ONLY difference to the previous version is "PlayStation PC LLC" being changed to "PlayStation Publishing LLC", the two times that it appears on the first line/paragraph?
Source: Using any online diff-checker to compare [the current EULA] (as of the 11th of June, 2024) to [the previous EULA][web.archive.org] (as of the 4th of December, 2023).

The only other differences compared to the very first version are...
- Changing "(“SIE” and you)" to "and you for mobile games, and PlayStation PC LLC and you for PC games (PlayStation Mobile Inc. or PlayStation PC LLC, “SIE”)", on the first line/paragraph.
- Whitespace changes (removing a space at the end of most lines in the "4. CODE OF CONDUCT" section; not changing any text).
- Adding "You are bound by this Agreement’s most current version. SIE may modify this Agreement’s terms at any time. Please check this URL from time to time for changes to this Agreement. Your continued access to or use of the Software will signify your acceptance of the latest version of this Agreement." into the "8. MISCELLANEOUS" section.
- Changing "11. ADDITIONAL TERMS" to "11. ADDITIONAL TERMS FOR MOBILE GAMES".


I agree that the EULA looks bad (not "bad"-bad, just as in "it says so much disconcerting, unnecessary fluff, like almost all EULAs do") - but it basically says the exact same now as when you bought the game.
Additionally, it has a section specifically about Apple iOS software, so it's clear that this is just a copy-pasted template that Sony uses for all of their games, with all edge cases (e.g. a multiplayer game's servers being shut down after 20 years) covered just in case.
Last edited by Zappy; Jun 17, 2024 @ 2:35am
Keen Jun 17, 2024 @ 2:14am 
Yeah it's just I've started reading EULAs and stuff from some games I got in my library.
I think I messed up my wording by saying "Eula update" I just couldn't figure any other way of saying something that I found new...
But you're completly right about the copy-paste EULAs, it's the same one for every Sony game, just felt angry about something I've read and did a post on here...
Thanks a lot for answering tho, love you for taking some of your time, I feel less upset and know how much more I need to research something like that :D
Zappy Jun 17, 2024 @ 2:32am 
Originally posted by Keen:
Yeah it's just I've started reading EULAs and stuff from some games I got in my library. -
I was editing this into my previous comment when you replied, so... P.S.:
Originally posted by Keen:
- the fact that it is considered "licensing" AFTER I already "paid" for the game in 2023 is so messed up... -
It was also considered "licensing" when/before you bought it - but keep in mind that this is just legalese for "you can't sue us if something unexpected happens"; they're not actually saying "we're going to take the game away from you when we want".
(Note that Steam's subscriber agreement also says "[...] The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services [...]". This is very common in EULAs.)

TL;DR: The EULA is "our lawyers told us to say this". Nothing more, nothing less.


Originally posted by Keen:
- Thanks a lot for answering tho, love you for taking some of your time, I feel less upset and know how much more I need to research something like that :D
You're welcome. To clarify, I don't "agree with"/"like" the EULA either, but I understand that it's just something that they "have to" say.

Fun fact: The modern 90's DOOM I/II re-releases' EULAs forbid modding - but ZeniMax and Bethesda officially support and promote modding for those games. The EULAs just say "no modding" so that they can take down problematic mods if they need to.
Last edited by Zappy; Jun 17, 2024 @ 2:32am
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