Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

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tallgeese Apr 27, 2024 @ 8:28pm
WOKE BROKE SWEET BABY INC
You heard me! You made it political!

Go woke go br..

Oh wait, game is the highest-grossing Ratchet and Clank game to date -- get dat paper boo
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Tyrant Apr 28, 2024 @ 12:25pm 
Just two things to point out here. One, there's no evidence or proof that I've seen that suggests SBI had anything to do with this game, and two, this game isn't the kind of "wokeness" people are talking about when they say that. Do better.
๖ۣۜMark Apr 28, 2024 @ 5:41pm 
Originally posted by Tyrant:
Just two things to point out here. One, there's no evidence or proof that I've seen that suggests SBI had anything to do with this game, and two, this game isn't the kind of "wokeness" people are talking about when they say that. Do better.

What is the "wokeness" people refer to, I've tried to understand the other side for so long now that it just confused me even more, it means so many different things for so many different people and most of those things seem to be inane.

People arguing that it's wokeness that in GTA 6's trailer the female protag is in center and front or that BG3 was woke because larian made all the companion's available to romance and not only the opposing sex.

I've also seen people argue that they're ok with diversity as long it's organic, but I'm really not sure what makes it organic or not since it's never specified or given criteria of evaluation.

The most egregious group I've seen arguing, it's not even about the games or the stories, it's about some mysterious elite controlling every major player in the gaming industry trying to bring about the fall of the western world, whatever this even means, this last group I just think their brain has rotted to the core by their insecurities and they've abandoned the real world a long time ago.
Tyrant Apr 28, 2024 @ 8:14pm 
Originally posted by ๖ۣۜMark:
Originally posted by Tyrant:
Just two things to point out here. One, there's no evidence or proof that I've seen that suggests SBI had anything to do with this game, and two, this game isn't the kind of "wokeness" people are talking about when they say that. Do better.

What is the "wokeness" people refer to, I've tried to understand the other side for so long now that it just confused me even more, it means so many different things for so many different people and most of those things seem to be inane.

People arguing that it's wokeness that in GTA 6's trailer the female protag is in center and front or that BG3 was woke because larian made all the companion's available to romance and not only the opposing sex.

I've also seen people argue that they're ok with diversity as long it's organic, but I'm really not sure what makes it organic or not since it's never specified or given criteria of evaluation.

The most egregious group I've seen arguing, it's not even about the games or the stories, it's about some mysterious elite controlling every major player in the gaming industry trying to bring about the fall of the western world, whatever this even means, this last group I just think their brain has rotted to the core by their insecurities and they've abandoned the real world a long time ago.

Generally it's when the "wokeness" takes a turn where the narrative is talking down to the audience. I think the most common and/or best analogy is say you go to the grocery store, and every time you go to checkout, the cashier says something along the lines of "You shouldn't steal. Stealing is bad." Even though you aren't stealing and never have.

It's the assumption that the player is a bad person and needs to be taught how to be a good person, to the point that there's this constant brow beating at every opportunity to "re-educate" them. That's the kind of "wokeness" that generally gets backlash. That and taking existing IPs, retconning lore to inject their ideology in every possible crevice.

The people that argue "OMG FEMALE LEAD" is wokeness aren't doing themselves any favors, or the argument about the negative type of "agenda based design" that they're against. In my opinion these people are idiots. There are legitimate concerns, and then there are trolls who really don't get it and point the finger at the mere existence of a female, someone not white, or LGBT characters being present as "woke".

The truth is these things have existed for a long time in gaming, and they've been handled with varying degrees of success. It's the more recent pervasive and aggressive style though that started this whole backlash, especially since in the minds of a lot of gamers, it has taken potentially good stories and then stuck them in a blender with a political agenda, resulting in some of the most mediocre, boring, or frankly, insulting stories that have come out in years.

So people get upset about that, and for good reason. Not to mention this approach to the subject doesn't improve anything for anyone, and rather just creates hostility in communities where people of all different walks used to feel welcome.
Last edited by Tyrant; Apr 28, 2024 @ 8:21pm
Y_B_A_FOOL Apr 28, 2024 @ 11:51pm 
Originally posted by tallgeese:
You heard me! You made it political!

Go woke go br..

Oh wait, game is the highest-grossing Ratchet and Clank game to date -- get dat paper boo

What is this “brain rot” people refer to? I've tried to understand the other side for so long now that it just confused me even more. It means so many different things for many different people and most of those things seem to be inane.

People are arguing that there’s brain rot in the GTA 6 trailer, just because the female protagonist is center stage? BG3 was brain rot because Larian made all the companion's available to romance and not only the opposing sex?

I've also seen people argue that they're ok with diversity as long it's organic, but I'm really not sure what makes it organic or not. Organic has never been specified or given criteria of evaluation.

The most egregious free thinkers I've seen arguing, it's not even about the video games or their stories, it's about some mysterious elite cabal controlling every major player in the gaming industry. Apparently this cabal is trying to bring about the fall of the western world, whatever that means. As for these free thinkers, I just think they’re woke to the core by their insecurities and they abandoned the real world a long time ago.
Stj.Srex Apr 29, 2024 @ 4:05am 
You should thank US for all this because US is the most racist nation and i am not talking just about White people, both Black and Asian people are equally as racist as White people maybe even more now when US allow that.
For every crappy thing that exist in the world people should thank US for that.
IF they didnt try to still riches from countries from Asia and Africa you wouldnt have Terrorists today.
I am not saying you wouldnt have people who just love bloodshed but the number of these would be literally so negligible that it wouldnt be any different then today in any country.
Ripred May 7, 2024 @ 4:38am 
Im conservative and I don't see the problem with Rivet, she doesn't throw being female and that somehow makes her superior in Rachets face, as far as ive seen they've treated each other equally with reverence of each other, the whole idea behind rift's is dimension's are converging and we see the parallels of each one, being that Ratchet is supposedly the last of his kind it does more for the story for his parallel to be female
Originally posted by Tyrant:
Originally posted by ๖ۣۜMark:

What is the "wokeness" people refer to, I've tried to understand the other side for so long now that it just confused me even more, it means so many different things for so many different people and most of those things seem to be inane.

People arguing that it's wokeness that in GTA 6's trailer the female protag is in center and front or that BG3 was woke because larian made all the companion's available to romance and not only the opposing sex.

I've also seen people argue that they're ok with diversity as long it's organic, but I'm really not sure what makes it organic or not since it's never specified or given criteria of evaluation.

The most egregious group I've seen arguing, it's not even about the games or the stories, it's about some mysterious elite controlling every major player in the gaming industry trying to bring about the fall of the western world, whatever this even means, this last group I just think their brain has rotted to the core by their insecurities and they've abandoned the real world a long time ago.

Generally it's when the "wokeness" takes a turn where the narrative is talking down to the audience. I think the most common and/or best analogy is say you go to the grocery store, and every time you go to checkout, the cashier says something along the lines of "You shouldn't steal. Stealing is bad." Even though you aren't stealing and never have.

It's the assumption that the player is a bad person and needs to be taught how to be a good person, to the point that there's this constant brow beating at every opportunity to "re-educate" them. That's the kind of "wokeness" that generally gets backlash. That and taking existing IPs, retconning lore to inject their ideology in every possible crevice.

The people that argue "OMG FEMALE LEAD" is wokeness aren't doing themselves any favors, or the argument about the negative type of "agenda based design" that they're against. In my opinion these people are idiots. There are legitimate concerns, and then there are trolls who really don't get it and point the finger at the mere existence of a female, someone not white, or LGBT characters being present as "woke".

The truth is these things have existed for a long time in gaming, and they've been handled with varying degrees of success. It's the more recent pervasive and aggressive style though that started this whole backlash, especially since in the minds of a lot of gamers, it has taken potentially good stories and then stuck them in a blender with a political agenda, resulting in some of the most mediocre, boring, or frankly, insulting stories that have come out in years.

So people get upset about that, and for good reason. Not to mention this approach to the subject doesn't improve anything for anyone, and rather just creates hostility in communities where people of all different walks used to feel welcome.

what you speak of is literally figments of your imagination. no game does this. and of course you couldn't give a real example of a REAL GAME to prove your point, instead opting for a fake reality where a cashier tells you not to steal every time you try to buy something. you need therapy guy. it's also hilarious your steam name is tyrant, cause you're definitely a trumpy.
Originally posted by Tyrant:
Originally posted by ๖ۣۜMark:

What is the "wokeness" people refer to, I've tried to understand the other side for so long now that it just confused me even more, it means so many different things for so many different people and most of those things seem to be inane.

People arguing that it's wokeness that in GTA 6's trailer the female protag is in center and front or that BG3 was woke because larian made all the companion's available to romance and not only the opposing sex.

I've also seen people argue that they're ok with diversity as long it's organic, but I'm really not sure what makes it organic or not since it's never specified or given criteria of evaluation.

The most egregious group I've seen arguing, it's not even about the games or the stories, it's about some mysterious elite controlling every major player in the gaming industry trying to bring about the fall of the western world, whatever this even means, this last group I just think their brain has rotted to the core by their insecurities and they've abandoned the real world a long time ago.

Generally it's when the "wokeness" takes a turn where the narrative is talking down to the audience. I think the most common and/or best analogy is say you go to the grocery store, and every time you go to checkout, the cashier says something along the lines of "You shouldn't steal. Stealing is bad." Even though you aren't stealing and never have.

It's the assumption that the player is a bad person and needs to be taught how to be a good person, to the point that there's this constant brow beating at every opportunity to "re-educate" them. That's the kind of "wokeness" that generally gets backlash. That and taking existing IPs, retconning lore to inject their ideology in every possible crevice.

The people that argue "OMG FEMALE LEAD" is wokeness aren't doing themselves any favors, or the argument about the negative type of "agenda based design" that they're against. In my opinion these people are idiots. There are legitimate concerns, and then there are trolls who really don't get it and point the finger at the mere existence of a female, someone not white, or LGBT characters being present as "woke".

The truth is these things have existed for a long time in gaming, and they've been handled with varying degrees of success. It's the more recent pervasive and aggressive style though that started this whole backlash, especially since in the minds of a lot of gamers, it has taken potentially good stories and then stuck them in a blender with a political agenda, resulting in some of the most mediocre, boring, or frankly, insulting stories that have come out in years.

So people get upset about that, and for good reason. Not to mention this approach to the subject doesn't improve anything for anyone, and rather just creates hostility in communities where people of all different walks used to feel welcome.

maybe if most of you people who whine about "WoKeIsM" weren't actual garbage people you wouldn't feel so attacked when a game tries it's hand at some form of social commentary. even still there is no game that says "you're bad, and you should feel bad", it just hasn't happened. guilty conscious maybe? ya know that thing where you continuously do things you know are wrong and it starts weighing on your psyche leading you further down into a pit of despair where you constantly start boycotting things because you feel called out, i mean, it's woke.
Ripred May 7, 2024 @ 7:17am 
Lets all just be happy Rivet isnt and overweight, pink/blue haired man, gluing herself to the ground when nefarious doesn't listen to him/her about how he/she believes denying hmer bathroom choice impacts climate change, on our goal to kill the planet by going to carbon neutral
Gabi May 9, 2024 @ 11:52pm 
The only issue I remember annoying me when I played this was Crank sympathising as someone who also new the pain of loosing a body part. When in past games it was shown many times that swapping out parts was not an issue for Clank.

Consistency from game to game and the story and world it takes place in has been an issues since the ps3 games though. Still a shame as there was easy ways to not have such a discrepancy and have Clank still empathise. Remember how Ratchet suddenly became the last Lombax despite in previous games we had seen other Lombax. Similar issue here.
GladiatorB200 May 14, 2024 @ 8:59am 
https://youtu.be/kt68VbqcUu0?t=395

game definitely ascribes to certain agenda for sure
obviously we kow of the dev worker that threw a hissy fit on rivet's design

really apparent why the game was made to slowly push out Ratchet and clank for Rivet
Mashiro May 14, 2024 @ 5:12pm 
Originally posted by ๖ۣۜMark:
Originally posted by Tyrant:
Just two things to point out here. One, there's no evidence or proof that I've seen that suggests SBI had anything to do with this game, and two, this game isn't the kind of "wokeness" people are talking about when they say that. Do better.

What is the "wokeness" people refer to, I've tried to understand the other side for so long now that it just confused me even more, it means so many different things for so many different people and most of those things seem to be inane.

People arguing that it's wokeness that in GTA 6's trailer the female protag is in center and front or that BG3 was woke because larian made all the companion's available to romance and not only the opposing sex.

I've also seen people argue that they're ok with diversity as long it's organic, but I'm really not sure what makes it organic or not since it's never specified or given criteria of evaluation.

The most egregious group I've seen arguing, it's not even about the games or the stories, it's about some mysterious elite controlling every major player in the gaming industry trying to bring about the fall of the western world, whatever this even means, this last group I just think their brain has rotted to the core by their insecurities and they've abandoned the real world a long time ago.

Just look at the US's politi-goons. They are the perfect examples of wokeness. LOL.
About the current social conflicts, the difficult part is a proper discernement. Whenever groups become rivals, is bound to have loud individuals that will exaggerate, and convice others to do the same. Everyone is right and good by their pespectives.
Another thing that people don't take in consideration, is that every issue that is big enough to bring your attention, is a result of small issue accumulated over time. Issues that people might even indirectly supported, when depreciate others complains about it.
Blackguard May 15, 2024 @ 5:50am 
Originally posted by ๖ۣۜMark:
Originally posted by Tyrant:
Just two things to point out here. One, there's no evidence or proof that I've seen that suggests SBI had anything to do with this game, and two, this game isn't the kind of "wokeness" people are talking about when they say that. Do better.

What is the "wokeness" people refer to, I've tried to understand the other side for so long now that it just confused me even more, it means so many different things for so many different people and most of those things seem to be inane.

People arguing that it's wokeness that in GTA 6's trailer the female protag is in center and front or that BG3 was woke because larian made all the companion's available to romance and not only the opposing sex.

I've also seen people argue that they're ok with diversity as long it's organic, but I'm really not sure what makes it organic or not since it's never specified or given criteria of evaluation.

The most egregious group I've seen arguing, it's not even about the games or the stories, it's about some mysterious elite controlling every major player in the gaming industry trying to bring about the fall of the western world, whatever this even means, this last group I just think their brain has rotted to the core by their insecurities and they've abandoned the real world a long time ago.
The term Woke refers to a current day Liberal/Feminist political socialist agenda being forced into a place where it doesn't belong, and thus corrupting whatever it is attached to.

A good example recently would be: Lara Croft, the Tomb Raider, can't raid tombs anymore because it's 'culturally insensitive' according to losers on twitter. Also they tried to force diversity and inclusiveness into the series by adding a generic black woman to it, which just ended up being tokenism, and now it has a token black character in there instead of any sort of actual diversity or inclusion.

On paper, they seem like nice ideals to behold, but when you try to force them on people? Here are some examples of those:

Forced Diversity becomes Tokenism
- Generic character exists purely because of their race, and not their character or for any specific story-telling purpose, and thus becomes the token character.
Forced Equity becomes Inequality
- Imagine if you did 90% of the work in your workplace. Forced Equity would force you to be paid equally to the other people doing that last 10% of the work
Forced Inclusion becomes Racism/Segregation
- We can't hire you for this job because you are black/white.

I don't think I need to tell anyone here 'why' those things are bad, but socialistic losers on Twitter will try to keep forcing these principles on people, and thus corrupting said principles, and so there will always be an equal opposing force of anti-woke people to fight them back on their bs.

However, there are absolutely low IQ people on both sides of this, unfortunately. For example, people on the anti-woke side that just point at anything with a woman in it and say it's woke because of it, without taking context or the overall story into account are just both plain wrong and just outright sexist. Needless to say, these people who do that are absolutely in the wrong too.

Extremism of any kind is always bad, and as the famous saying goes: "for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction"
Last edited by Blackguard; May 15, 2024 @ 5:58am
Rahk May 15, 2024 @ 3:59pm 
So was this thread made to get steam points for the points shop or to farm steam trading cards to make profit on the market?
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