Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

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Vegasskill Jul 13, 2023 @ 3:04pm
RTX 3070 vs. RTX 4080...???
Did anyone notice this?
So they ask gamers for 3070 for "amazing RT" ...but if you want to play with "ultimate RT" you need 4080??? Why such a *HUGE* gap in requirements?

How weird is that. What happened with all the models in between?
3080...3080ti ...3090...4070???
So RTX 3090 is not good anymore for Ultimate RT? 4070TI is also not good?????!!!
To me, these requirements make no sense.

Any thoughts?

Link:
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1679471738592305152
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piton87 Jul 13, 2023 @ 3:26pm 
Pay attention to resolution: "amazing RT" - 1440p or 4k30fps\ "ultimate RT" - 4K60fps
Vegasskill Jul 14, 2023 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by piton87:
Pay attention to resolution: "amazing RT" - 1440p or 4k30fps\ "ultimate RT" - 4K60fps

Yes, I paid attention. You simply did not understand me. So I will rephrase my statement.

They ask for RTX 3060ti for 1440p60fps no RT
RTX 3070 for 1440p60fps with RT high
and
RTX 4080 for 4K60fps with RT very high.

3070 is 15% faster than 3060ti. 4080 is 94% faster than 3070.

Why do they ask for a 4080 GPU to enjoy a 2-year-old game?
Why RTX 3090 or RTX 3090ti which are also extremely strong GPUs are not good enough?

Do you get my point now?

I wonder how much of that is a genuine system needs that were really tested and how much is propaganda to sell RTX 4080s.

I am sure techpowerup.com will test the game on a wide range of cards, and then we will see. I think that 4080 is overkill for this game, but we will see.
JinxTheWorld Jul 14, 2023 @ 6:16pm 
Originally posted by Vegasskill:
Originally posted by piton87:
Pay attention to resolution: "amazing RT" - 1440p or 4k30fps\ "ultimate RT" - 4K60fps

Yes, I paid attention. You simply did not understand me. So I will rephrase my statement.

They ask for RTX 3060ti for 1440p60fps no RT
RTX 3070 for 1440p60fps with RT high
and
RTX 4080 for 4K60fps with RT very high.

3070 is 15% faster than 3060ti. 4080 is 94% faster than 3070.

Why do they ask for a 4080 GPU to enjoy a 2-year-old game?
Why RTX 3090 or RTX 3090ti which are also extremely strong GPUs are not good enough?

Do you get my point now?

I wonder how much of that is a genuine system needs that were really tested and how much is propaganda to sell RTX 4080s.

I am sure techpowerup.com will test the game on a wide range of cards, and then we will see. I think that 4080 is overkill for this game, but we will see.

To be fair 4k is a lot more pixels to render than 2k, about 4x more lol. To speak on the 3090Ti, a 4080 is about 20-30% faster depending on benchmark used. You can run the game at max with a 3090Ti, possibly even on a 3090. Maybe a 3080Ti? Though we are talking True 4k no upscaling at 60fps with every setting maxed. With upscaling you can get the same results with lesser hardware.
Last edited by JinxTheWorld; Jul 14, 2023 @ 6:16pm
piton87 Jul 15, 2023 @ 1:49am 
Originally posted by Vegasskill:

Why do they ask for a 4080 GPU to enjoy a 2-year-old game?
Why RTX 3090 or RTX 3090ti which are also extremely strong GPUs are not good enough?

I am sure techpowerup.com will test the game on a wide range of cards, and then we will see. I think that 4080 is overkill for this game, but we will see.
There will probably be a serious difference in performance impact between these two tracing modes, which is why 4080 is recommended


Originally posted by JinxTheWorld:

To be fair 4k is a lot more pixels to render than 2k, about 4x more lol
Not 4, but about 2.2 times more This is the difference in pixels between 1080p and 2160p will be four times
Last edited by piton87; Jul 15, 2023 @ 1:52am
Squiggly1 Jul 15, 2023 @ 1:57pm 
Originally posted by JinxTheWorld:
Originally posted by Vegasskill:

Yes, I paid attention. You simply did not understand me. So I will rephrase my statement.

They ask for RTX 3060ti for 1440p60fps no RT
RTX 3070 for 1440p60fps with RT high
and
RTX 4080 for 4K60fps with RT very high.

3070 is 15% faster than 3060ti. 4080 is 94% faster than 3070.

Why do they ask for a 4080 GPU to enjoy a 2-year-old game?
Why RTX 3090 or RTX 3090ti which are also extremely strong GPUs are not good enough?

Do you get my point now?

I wonder how much of that is a genuine system needs that were really tested and how much is propaganda to sell RTX 4080s.

I am sure techpowerup.com will test the game on a wide range of cards, and then we will see. I think that 4080 is overkill for this game, but we will see.

To be fair 4k is a lot more pixels to render than 2k, about 4x more lol. To speak on the 3090Ti, a 4080 is about 20-30% faster depending on benchmark used. You can run the game at max with a 3090Ti, possibly even on a 3090. Maybe a 3080Ti? Though we are talking True 4k no upscaling at 60fps with every setting maxed. With upscaling you can get the same results with lesser hardware.


It's not just resolution. The raytracing efficiency on 4XXX series hardware is much improved over that of 3XXX series hardware, just like 3XXX versus the 2XXX hardware of yesteryear. The real question is whether or not the very high/ultra settings will actually be noticeable in-game enough to justify the framerate hit. Versus needing side-by-side uncompressed screen grabs with 500% magnification and a dedicated pixel hunter to notice. Too many games' ultra settings don't justify the framerat hit vs running just one notch down to high and getting a higher more consistent framerate at your chosen resolution.
bRice153 Jul 15, 2023 @ 3:05pm 
Both are weak.
-A 4090 owner
Tiny Trees Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:14am 
Originally posted by Vegasskill:
Originally posted by piton87:
Pay attention to resolution: "amazing RT" - 1440p or 4k30fps\ "ultimate RT" - 4K60fps

Yes, I paid attention. You simply did not understand me. So I will rephrase my statement.

They ask for RTX 3060ti for 1440p60fps no RT
RTX 3070 for 1440p60fps with RT high
and
RTX 4080 for 4K60fps with RT very high.

3070 is 15% faster than 3060ti. 4080 is 94% faster than 3070.

Why do they ask for a 4080 GPU to enjoy a 2-year-old game?
Why RTX 3090 or RTX 3090ti which are also extremely strong GPUs are not good enough?

Do you get my point now?

I wonder how much of that is a genuine system needs that were really tested and how much is propaganda to sell RTX 4080s.

I am sure techpowerup.com will test the game on a wide range of cards, and then we will see. I think that 4080 is overkill for this game, but we will see.

RTX 4080 RT cores are considerably more powerful than RTX 3080 RT cores. Approximately 50% faster gen on gen.

Also take into account that developer's system requirements are usually inaccurate. You generally need more GPU power than they quote.


You're also asking, "So they ask gamers for 3070 for "amazing RT" ...but if you want to play with "ultimate RT" you need 4080??? Why such a *HUGE* gap in requirements?"

It's going from 1440p high RT to 4K very high RT. Why are you even confused by that? You're going to need way more RT power just to jump from 1440p to 4K. Added to that the RT setting is higher in the 4K recommended specs.
Last edited by Tiny Trees; Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:18am
Kyousukeni-chan Jul 16, 2023 @ 2:07pm 
Hope this works on my 3050 rtx
Blacksmith77K Jul 17, 2023 @ 4:00am 
Originally posted by Vegasskill:
Did anyone notice this?
So they ask gamers for 3070 for "amazing RT" ...but if you want to play with "ultimate RT" you need 4080??? Why such a *HUGE* gap in requirements?

How weird is that. What happened with all the models in between?
3080...3080ti ...3090...4070???
So RTX 3090 is not good anymore for Ultimate RT? 4070TI is also not good?????!!!
To me, these requirements make no sense.

Any thoughts?

Link:
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1679471738592305152


It's because raytracing High offers raytraced reflections

Raytracing Very High offers reflections in a higher resolution AND additional raytraced shadows and raytraced ambient occlusion

Therefore High MINIMUM 3070 (4k@30), Very High MINIMUM 4080 (4k@60)

NIXXES gives fully understandable informations

Originally posted by Vegasskill:
How weird is that. What happened with all the models in between?
3080...3080ti ...3090...4070???

SELF-EXPLANATORY
Last edited by Blacksmith77K; Jul 17, 2023 @ 4:01am
TimmyP Jul 20, 2023 @ 7:24am 
3070 is more capable at RT\DLSS than you think. Its what really seperates it from the seemingly similar specced 3060ti.
Last edited by TimmyP; Jul 20, 2023 @ 7:24am
Prashanth Jul 20, 2023 @ 9:15am 
Wait for digital foundry optimized settings ....

Remember specs sheet is one thing and in game feel is one thing .

The game is made to scale with hardware and future hardware to .

We are entering era of full console port to pc with scalable graphics for future graphic hardware .
piton87 Jul 20, 2023 @ 9:33am 
I don’t know... I made a pre-order, and I’m sure that I won’t have to regret it, I’ll for sure get 60 fps.
Kujar3 Jul 20, 2023 @ 9:48am 
Originally posted by TimmyP:
3070 is more capable at RT\DLSS than you think. Its what really seperates it from the seemingly similar specced 3060ti.
IDK, I found that the VRAM was holding it back somewhat, 3070Ti was an awesome performer but it didn't play too nicely with RT, maybe I am just an FPS snob.

Either way, if they wanted to squeeze the absolute most out of today's available hardware, specing the ultimate settings at 4K to a current gen GPU doesn't sound too crazy to me. I am glad people get to utilize their new toys. Even if it does seemingly come out of a left field, I am sure previous gen GPUs will be doing just fine as well, if you have to dile down a setting or two from "Ultra" to "very high", you'll have a hard time finding differences anyway.
Yellow Dice (Old) Jul 20, 2023 @ 12:58pm 
75gb.. yeesh this do be a big game doe
Sikklid Jul 20, 2023 @ 4:35pm 
Marketers in bed with hardware companies push these absurd specs every few years, not to mention intrusive DRM slamming resources.

I remember how an insanely great card like a 1080Ti couldnt run AssCreed Origins at 4k 60, yet Gen 8 consoles did it at 30fps. 1080Tis ran circles around Jaguar APUs and is still an amazing card to this day.

This round "the gamers" have already been conditioned with the latest unoptimized/DRM riddled releases like Jedi Survivor and Hogwarts, which are technically and visually worse than games like RDR2 (not mention far less processes happening in the world) - yet are far more demanding.

Somehow companies suddenly needed massive resources for DRM and forgot how to make games look great without RT. :steamfacepalm:
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