Big fps drop when there's a lot of particles ?

[Narumanu]

Hello, the game runs alright in high on my rig but I've noticed I get severe fps drops when there's a lot of particles, I think.

It always happens when I hit a ennemy with the Enforcer or when I put a lot of bullets on a boss with the pistol

Anyone knows how to fix that ?

I don't have RT enabled, same for dlss and dynamic resolution, everything else is set on high

Also I've downloaded the newest nvidia driver for my GPU (RTX 3070)

[Melody]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 3 am:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melody ♡:

It's not. Happens on some systems with 4090s and 3090s as well.

I am saying all 3070's seem to have it, not saying other GPU's don't

I see, sorry.

[3 am]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melody ♡:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 3 am:

I am saying all 3070's seem to have it, not saying other GPU's don't

I see, sorry.

no worries xD

[Kain Mightyena]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lord.Frosty:

It's not just the 3070s. I have exactly the same issue on my RTX 3060Ti, Ryzen 5600X and 32GB config. I suspect it's the 8GB VRAM buffer that is responisble for this issue. Haven't seen anyone with an AMD card admitting this problem.

It has absolutely nothing to do with vram. I’ve seen plenty of people with cards with 12GB of vram and up reporting the same issue. This is more of a port problem. Also nixxes wouldn’t be recommending a 3060ti for 1440p if it was a vram issue, making it even more likely this port is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in so many different ways.

[DTReborn]

Yep, still a problem. 85 FPS running around, fighting in melee, 25 FPS shooting mini-boss.

[-=SaRuMaN=-]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ridley:

Did some experimenting
I put the game on very high, 4k with quality DLSS but i dropped textures to medium, its running clean now, 80-120 fps.

100% a vram issue, they need to fix this ASAP.

Not vram issue, 4090 here and I get a 30fps hit when Theres lots of bolt pickups.

Weirdly, I only get the fps drop when picking lots of bolts but not when firing certain guns that do lots of particles (like the enforcer) like many have said before.

[3 am]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -=SaRuMaN=-:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ridley:

Did some experimenting
I put the game on very high, 4k with quality DLSS but i dropped textures to medium, its running clean now, 80-120 fps.

100% a vram issue, they need to fix this ASAP.

Not vram issue, 4090 here and I get a 30fps hit when Theres lots of bolt pickups.

Weirdly, I only get the fps drop when picking lots of bolts but not when firing certain guns that do lots of particles (like the enforcer) like many have said before.

Picking lots of bolts is fine for me... weird stuff

[emptyshell]

same for me 3070 but i have finish game

[Melody]

I fixed this on my Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (which is based on 21H2)

Use the following Administrator PowerShell commands in sequence and wait for them to complete:

Disable-MMAgent -MemoryCompression
Enable-MMAgent -PageCombining
Enable-MMAgent -OperationAPI

These commands won't output anything, this means that they went through without errors. Now run

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that MemoryCompression has a False value, and that PageCombining and OperationAPI both show a True value.
Example: https://imgur.com/2OqIJ0d
Once this is done, perform a complete system reboot and recheck

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that the changes indeed took effect.

[Enhanced_Interrogator]

I'm having this same problem on a 5700xt

I'll lower my resoluton down to 1024x768 WITH dynamic resolution scaling.... meaning my resolution is probably dropping down to something like 512x384.... and still get ridiculous frame rate drops down to the 30's in sections with lots of particles.

Then I check my GPU temps and it's running super cool, not being utilized fully. So this is some kind of VRAM bottleneck

It's kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Everybody is singing Nixxes' praises but they really haven't finished this game

[3 am]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melody ♡:

I fixed this on my Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (which is based on 21H2)

Use the following Administrator PowerShell commands in sequence and wait for them to complete:

Disable-MMAgent -MemoryCompression
Enable-MMAgent -PageCombining
Enable-MMAgent -OperationAPI

These commands won't output anything, this means that they went through without errors. Now run

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that MemoryCompression has a False value, and that PageCombining and OperationAPI both show a True value.
Example: https://imgur.com/2OqIJ0d
Once this is done, perform a complete system reboot and recheck

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that the changes indeed took effect.

I have

ApplicationLaunchPrefetching: True
ApplicationPreLaunch: True

You have it false, is that relevant?

[mrtnptrs]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melody ♡:

I fixed this on my Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (which is based on 21H2)

Use the following Administrator PowerShell commands in sequence and wait for them to complete:

Disable-MMAgent -MemoryCompression
Enable-MMAgent -PageCombining
Enable-MMAgent -OperationAPI

These commands won't output anything, this means that they went through without errors. Now run

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that MemoryCompression has a False value, and that PageCombining and OperationAPI both show a True value.
Example: https://imgur.com/2OqIJ0d
Once this is done, perform a complete system reboot and recheck

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that the changes indeed took effect.

Isn't this possibly disabling some features other games and programs are relying on to be on by default?

In case people wanna test this and revert afterwards to prevent issues, these are the default untouched settings on my Windows 11 (latest update) system (extracted with Get-MMAgent command):

ApplicationLaunchPrefetching : True
ApplicationPreLaunch : True
MaxOperationAPIFiles : 512
MemoryCompression : True
OperationAPI : True
PageCombining : False
PSComputerName :

Edit:
-If your Get-MMagent settings were also left untouched and confirmed to be the same as on my system, it is thus likely that the "Enable-MMAgent -OperationAPI" command is totally superfluous as it is already enabled.
-"Enable-MMAgent -PageCombining" disables page combining, which actually functions to "reduce the physical memory that the operating system uses. Page combining causes the memory manager to periodically combine pages in physical memory that have identical content." This could possibly only help in extremely RAM-limited situations, but likely also has its own minor performance cost and might cause issues in some games. Wouldn't advice to use this personally.
-"Disable-MMAgent -MemoryCompression" Thus disables memory compression, which is on by default; this thus disables memory compression, probably bloating the RAM-requirements for the game and other applications by quite much. Would thus again not advice using this.

Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/mmagent/enable-mmagent?view=windowsserver2022-ps

My general advice would be not to use this or at least check your defaults before applying this and revert any changes made afterwards to possibly avoid huge issues with other games and applications regarding RAM-management. Even though it was surely provided with the very very best intentions.

[mrtnptrs]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 3 am:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melody ♡:

I fixed this on my Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (which is based on 21H2)

Use the following Administrator PowerShell commands in sequence and wait for them to complete:

Disable-MMAgent -MemoryCompression
Enable-MMAgent -PageCombining
Enable-MMAgent -OperationAPI

These commands won't output anything, this means that they went through without errors. Now run

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that MemoryCompression has a False value, and that PageCombining and OperationAPI both show a True value.
Example: https://imgur.com/2OqIJ0d
Once this is done, perform a complete system reboot and recheck

Get-MMAgent

to confirm that the changes indeed took effect.

I have

ApplicationLaunchPrefetching: True
ApplicationPreLaunch: True

You have it false, is that relevant?

I think there are thus either differences between how these settings are set on Windows 10 VS 11 or the user who provided these steps has tinkered with his system a bit more. In the latter case, his steps are maybe not that reliable as the cause of his issue could then also be the adjustments he made to his own system. But that's all speculation of course :)

[Melody]

Memory Compression happens in chunks and does not use incredibly effective compression mechanisms otherwise it would stutter even more and there would be no reason for Microsoft to implement such thing. It is likely that you will save maybe 200 MB at most when running Ratchet & Clank, if you use it.

Other MMAgent settings are most likely different depending on the system you installed Windows on, that's at least what I've been seeing from other people through AnyDesk.

In regards of modified system / tampered system, I've tested on literally all PCs with different Windows builds, with and without tweaking them, and the result was still stutter.

The thing that I posted was able to fix this everywhere, although I've recently found out that my settings cause random problems with VMware and VirtualBox.

[mrtnptrs]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melody ♡:

Memory Compression happens in chunks and does not use incredibly effective compression mechanisms otherwise it would stutter even more and there would be no reason for Microsoft to implement such thing. It is likely that you will save maybe 200 MB at most when running Ratchet & Clank, if you use it.

Other MMAgent settings are most likely different depending on the system you installed Windows on, that's at least what I've been seeing from other people through AnyDesk.

In regards of modified system / tampered system, I've tested on literally all PCs with different Windows builds, with and without tweaking them, and the result was still stutter.

The thing that I posted was able to fix this everywhere, although I've recently found out that my settings cause random problems with VMware and VirtualBox.

Uhm, yeah, but you were thus proposing to disable memory compression... did you actually test how much of a difference it will make regarding RAM-usage and in-game performance/frame-time stability?

Idk, if I thus look at what these settings do, I'm not sure you should mess with them as I said previously, and you also said just now, it can cause issues with other applications.

Btw, aren't your last two sentences in your message saying the exact opposite? Not to be rude, but your solution comes over a bit as you just found something online, tried some things of it and thought "hey, I think it improves things, lets post it" with 0 disclaimer or data/video to back up your claims. (sorry, know you only wanna help and contribute, but quite some sketchy workarounds can flow around in communities because of this) Would be amazing if it indeed helps a lot (and then I'm especially sorry for coming over as rude), but if it isn't and users blindly applied your commands without any knowledge and forget to revert those steps (or don't know how to), it could cause issues with this game or other applications... and who knows, maybe even Windows itself.

All I'm saying: could you provide the steps to revert this or add advice people to first get the default values and revert to that afterwards. Hopefully not coming over as a d!ck, sorry if I do.

[Melody]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mrtnptrs:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Melody ♡:

Memory Compression happens in chunks and does not use incredibly effective compression mechanisms otherwise it would stutter even more and there would be no reason for Microsoft to implement such thing. It is likely that you will save maybe 200 MB at most when running Ratchet & Clank, if you use it.

Other MMAgent settings are most likely different depending on the system you installed Windows on, that's at least what I've been seeing from other people through AnyDesk.

In regards of modified system / tampered system, I've tested on literally all PCs with different Windows builds, with and without tweaking them, and the result was still stutter.

The thing that I posted was able to fix this everywhere, although I've recently found out that my settings cause random problems with VMware and VirtualBox.

Uhm, yeah, but you were thus proposing to disable memory compression... did you actually test how much of a difference it will make regarding RAM-usage and in-game performance/frame-time stability?

Idk, if I thus look at what these settings do, I'm not sure you should mess with them as I said previously, and you also said just now, it can cause issues with other applications.

Btw, aren't your last two sentences in your message saying the exact opposite? Not to be rude, but your solution comes over a bit as you just found something online, tried some things of it and thought "hey, I think it improves things, lets post it" with 0 disclaimer or data/video to back up your claims. (sorry, know you only wanna help and contribute, but quite some sketchy workarounds can flow around in communities because of this) Would be amazing if it indeed helps a lot (and then I'm especially sorry for coming over as rude), but if it isn't and users blindly applied your commands without any knowledge and forget to revert those steps (or don't know how to), it could cause issues with this game or other applications... and who knows, maybe even Windows itself.

All I'm saying: could you provide the steps to revert this or add advice people to first get the default values and revert to that afterwards. Hopefully not coming over as a d!ck, sorry if I do.

It is obvious how to revert them from my message, and also the first Google result tells you how to do so. I won't even comment on the previous things because then I will most likely not just "sound" rude.