Better, worse, or the same as Snoot Game?

[Fanthrose]

A question for those that have played and beat the game, gotten all the endings and all that, is Gator better, worse, or on par with Snoot game?

I ask cause I actually found myself really drawn into Snoot Game, and found it to be a great experience. So I'm wondering if this is worth the money?

[Dusty 鰐]

In short: it is different. both games are great, but in their areas, so you cant compare them.
Although, wani is much less acidic than snoot, like, you wont find inco saying that x demographic shouldnt have the right to have an opinion.

but yeah, its worth the money

[Fanthrose]

Originally posted by gator hugger:

In short: it is different. both games are great, but in their areas, so you cant compare them.
Although, wani is much less acidic than snoot, like, you wont find inco saying that x demographic shouldnt have the right to have an opinion.

but yeah, its worth the money

Noted, thanks :D

[HMOFA Enjoyer.]

From my experience, I wani Is like a Snoot game, but a little bit more serious? But If you did enjoyed Snoot game, you have to try I wani Indeed.

[4Lukaska #killtf2]

I think it's better than snoot. Better art, well made animations, more effort put into music, actual drawn bgs, etc. It's clear that the devs took the experience they had from snoot and put it to good use despite the rocky development.

[LeventeKing]

Honestly, I say Snoot was way way better than Wani, in (probably), more aspect, such as music, characters, story, music and probably some more. Wording is one of the main problem with this game, no joke, It is legit hard to understand some of the options given to Inco (or the player). So the real question I should ask is Are you a introvert or extrovert? Because Inco is literally the polar opposite of Anon. If you are extroverted then go ahead and buy it.

[Raziel]

both games made me depressed

[Wobblekumquat]

I just finished Snoot game. Though both games are definitely at the top tier of Visual Novels, they cant be compared against each other. They both cover different themes and topics. But both do an amazing job at it through the great character development, dialogue, and just how it makes you rethink your decisions. Makes you really self reflect on how your choices makes a big difference in the long run.

[Raziel]

Originally posted by Wobblekumquat:

I just finished Snoot game. Though both games are definitely at the top tier of Visual Novels, they cant be compared against each other. They both cover different themes and topics. But both do an amazing job at it through the great character development, dialogue, and just how it makes you rethink your decisions. Makes you really self reflect on how your choices makes a big difference in the long run.

So if you had to choose, Fang or Olivia?

[Dr. Freaky]

Originally posted by Raziel:

Originally posted by Wobblekumquat:

I just finished Snoot game. Though both games are definitely at the top tier of Visual Novels, they cant be compared against each other. They both cover different themes and topics. But both do an amazing job at it through the great character development, dialogue, and just how it makes you rethink your decisions. Makes you really self reflect on how your choices makes a big difference in the long run.

So if you had to choose, Fang or Olivia?

Both - both is good.

[Dude_84_Dude]

I got to thinking about this today, and while some might say they can't be compared, I think they can since Snoot was used as a template for Wani.

I don't want to say Wani is worse than Snoot. It's still great, but Snoot has more polish, at least when it comes to the writing. I think Snoot's greatest strength is that all or most of the characters feel more fleshed out. In Wani, Inco has only one friend group, which is Damien, Liz, and Olivia. In Snoot, Anon has three. There's Naser and Naomi (I still count Naomi even though she's shady), Reed, Trish, and Fang (obviously), and Rosa and Stella. All these characters are well-written with depth, and play off Anon wonderfully.

The ancillary characters in Wani feel more flat than Snoot. There's nothing to Lunara and Kiara. And Ben and Mia are just straight antagonists. Ben has depth, sure, but Mia is pretty one-dimensional. I've said before I don't mind one-dimensional villains, necessarily. But compared to Snoot, Mia feels very underdeveloped.

When you look at Wani's rocky development cycle and how Cavemanon had to jettison the original team of writers for their incompetence, it's something of a miracle this game turned out as well as it did in the end. So again, I don't want to say it's worse; it's just not as fully realized.

I think this is partly due to the fact Inco has a more passive role in the story when compared to Anon, who's more dynamic. It might be fun to compare and contrast both of these games at some point.

[DarkKnightCuron]

Originally posted by Mister Dude:

I got to thinking about this today, and while some might say they can't be compared, I think they can since Snoot was used as a template for Wani.

I don't want to say Wani is worse than Snoot. It's still great, but Snoot has more polish, at least when it comes to the writing. I think Snoot's greatest strength is that all or most of the characters feel more fleshed out. In Wani, Inco has only one friend group, which is Damien, Liz, and Olivia. In Snoot, Anon has three. There's Naser and Naomi (I still count Naomi even though she's shady), Reed, Trish, and Fang (obviously), and Rosa and Stella. All these characters are well-written with depth, and play off Anon wonderfully.

The ancillary characters in Wani feel more flat than Snoot. There's nothing to Lunara and Kiara. And Ben and Mia are just straight antagonists. Ben has depth, sure, but Mia is pretty one-dimensional. I've said before I don't mind one-dimensional villains, necessarily. But compared to Snoot, Mia feels very underdeveloped.

When you look at Wani's rocky development cycle and how Cavemanon had to jettison the original team of writers for their incompetence, it's something of a miracle this game turned out as well as it did in the end. So again, I don't want to say it's worse; it's just not as fully realized.

I think this is partly due to the fact Inco has a more passive role in the story when compared to Anon, who's more dynamic. It might be fun to compare and contrast both of these games at some point.

I have to agree on a lot of these points--I legitimately laughed during many of the humorous segments of Snoot, which served as a really great contrast to some of the more depressing scenes, so for me personally, while the JOURNEY in Snoot felt like it had better highs and lows (at least emotionally), I cried way more when playing Wani--as that game just seems to know exactly where my heart strings are--E4's formal and epilogue definitely seemed like way stronger scenes because of the journey. (I'm always a sucker for those kinds of scenes).

I think it ultimately depends on which story format you like the most. Snoot feels like a barely-contained train-wreck (I don't mean this in a negative way)--where you're trying to keep an indescribable dream alive while not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up your life and the lives of those around you--whereas in Wani, it's pushing a boulder uphill (or in this case, a wheelchair), and the moment you don't keep at it, it'll run you over, and the higher you go, the harder the task becomes (at least from my perspective).

Aside from a certain misguided and ill-conceived idea on her part, Olivia does feel just a little passive in the story, almost like the plot occurred around her rather than because of her sometimes. I know you mentioned Inco being a more passive role in the story, but honestly, I felt like he asked more questions and tried to do more things in the story (to varying degrees of success) than Olivia did until you met certain requirements and she finally got that huge push (trying to be vague here to avoid spoilers). Meanwhile, both Fang and Anon felt far more dynamic and active in a story that felt a bit more organic--at least, in terms of two seniors just trying to figure out whatever is going on, with themselves and each other--and their humor played off one another constantly. Inco and Olivia's banter was a bit more one-sided at times.

That being said, if you don't "get it" with the humor in Snoot, I can understand how folks might get frustrated with it and enjoy Wani far more. Wani feels more neutral and contextualized with its humor and moments, making sure you have basically all the information you need in the context of each scenario. For full disclosure, I got E4 in both on my first play-through, but I'm coming up on 40 years on this planet, so I'll admit, I had a bit more personal experience with both types of characters (again, ranging from the good to the bad to the ugly).

As far as music, that's really up to taste. The music in Snoot is just A+, spot-on with the characters and plot, and it honestly feels like Fang's band are the one's playing the OST themselves, which just adds to the experience. However, like a lot of art, music is down to personal choice, and I'll admit, I really enjoyed a lot of the 70's feel of Wani's tracks. Wani's soundtrack feels far more atmospheric and vibing, and the tracks are far more developed rather than being 1 or 2 note like some of the tracks in Snoot.

The reason I still prefer the music in Snoot, though, again, the tracks sound like they're being done by Fang's band, and many of the tracks just evoke that emotion of that wild, teenage energy with no focus or outlet, no defined goal or purpose, almost like screaming into the void just to make a noise lest the pressure in your heart burst. Wani's soundtrack evokes emotion and atmosphere, Snoot's soundtrack evokes that primal need to yell "**** YOU" as a teenager while still trying to create something.

Overall, I think the best comparison to make is which game accomplished their goal? I like to think they both did (especially Wani's epilogue, I don't think I'll ever forget that last scene, or the E4 dance scene, if you know, you know). I think the only real points I can give to Wani in favor would be the art polish and the ending sections. Snoot almost felt like it was over too soon, like I didn't get enough to be fully satisfying, but the journey to that ending was better than Wani's in some ways. However, Wani's E4 ending felt like that moment of air being drawn in after the hardest run in your life, that immense sense of powerful relief upon its finish, and that sheer amazement that you didn't screw up.

I hope the wall of text makes sense--thank you for reading, if so. If you didn't, eyyy, no worries.

[Alon]

It's unfair to compare both games in their totality, because when they are, snoot comes out with the better story with more developed and better written characters, however the unfair part is because most of the so called ''deepness'' of characters like naomi and trish come mostly (if not completely) in bonus chapter that revolve around said characters. Sadly to this day cavemanon refuses to write bonus chapters for wani but if we compare both main story lines they're even enough although I'll say wani's better since it's got more time on the clock to develop the main duo. And of course you could make the argument that wani having twice the length of snoot shouldn't have trouble developing the rest of the cast but with the type of writing cavemanon handles I can't imagine having a segment in the middle of the game dedicated to say, Ben for example, and it not feeling like it's just pausing the main plot to give a someone else the spotlight it would mess up the pacing of the plot and overall it would just be bad writing to forcibly shove a unrelated segment mid game.

So in my opinion, until cavemanon gets off their collective asses and make bonus chapters, wani and snoot aren't comparable

>kratos screaming hades for help.jpg with the caption ''CAVEMANON RELEASE WANI BONUS CHAPTERS. AND MY LIFE. IS YOURS.''

[DarkKnightCuron]

Originally posted by Alon:

It's unfair to compare both games in their totality, because when they are, snoot comes out with the better story with more developed and better written characters, however the unfair part is because most of the so called ''deepness'' of characters like naomi and trish come mostly (if not completely) in bonus chapter that revolve around said characters. Sadly to this day cavemanon refuses to write bonus chapters for wani but if we compare both main story lines they're even enough although I'll say wani's better since it's got more time on the clock to develop the main duo. And of course you could make the argument that wani having twice the length of snoot shouldn't have trouble developing the rest of the cast but with the type of writing cavemanon handles I can't imagine having a segment in the middle of the game dedicated to say, Ben for example, and it not feeling like it's just pausing the main plot to give a someone else the spotlight it would mess up the pacing of the plot and overall it would just be bad writing to forcibly shove a unrelated segment mid game.

So in my opinion, until cavemanon gets off their collective asses and make bonus chapters, wani and snoot aren't comparable

>kratos screaming hades for help.jpg with the caption ''CAVEMANON RELEASE WANI BONUS CHAPTERS. AND MY LIFE. IS YOURS.''

I feel like yours is a fair perspective on it, certainly. Sad to hear Cavemanon won't be doing bonus chapters for Wani, but I think I heard that there was a lot of trouble during Wani's development, so perhaps that has some part of it? Either way, you make a good point.

[ArmoredSimian]

Originally posted by DarkKnightCuron:

Originally posted by Alon:

It's unfair to compare both games in their totality, because when they are, snoot comes out with the better story with more developed and better written characters, however the unfair part is because most of the so called ''deepness'' of characters like naomi and trish come mostly (if not completely) in bonus chapter that revolve around said characters. Sadly to this day cavemanon refuses to write bonus chapters for wani but if we compare both main story lines they're even enough although I'll say wani's better since it's got more time on the clock to develop the main duo. And of course you could make the argument that wani having twice the length of snoot shouldn't have trouble developing the rest of the cast but with the type of writing cavemanon handles I can't imagine having a segment in the middle of the game dedicated to say, Ben for example, and it not feeling like it's just pausing the main plot to give a someone else the spotlight it would mess up the pacing of the plot and overall it would just be bad writing to forcibly shove a unrelated segment mid game.

So in my opinion, until cavemanon gets off their collective asses and make bonus chapters, wani and snoot aren't comparable

>kratos screaming hades for help.jpg with the caption ''CAVEMANON RELEASE WANI BONUS CHAPTERS. AND MY LIFE. IS YOURS.''

I feel like yours is a fair perspective on it, certainly. Sad to hear Cavemanon won't be doing bonus chapters for Wani, but I think I heard that there was a lot of trouble during Wani's development, so perhaps that has some part of it? Either way, you make a good point.

Where did you hear Cavemanon won't make bonus chapters? I hope that isn't the case. I mean, the Waiting for the Bus mod may as well have been a bonus chapter, so I get the feeling they'll make something for Wani in the future, unless they're just focusing on Exit 665.

[Rаndo]

I prefer the characters and writing of Snoot more, and everything else from Wani (art, music, "gameplay", etc.)

It's pretty evident that the drama surrounding "him" completely butchered some of the characters' writing/depth in Wani (Mia being by far the worst example) and a lot of the characters in general are just not nearly as memorable as Snoot's overall.