Idle Slayer poorly balanced rip off

[Helios]

Read the title. Don't waste your time. Balance is designed around the cash shop and vip. Your gold modifiers don't improve when ascending unless you push past your previous distance which isn't marked anywhere. You just have to go look in your ascend tab. So at most for the first 50+ ascensions you doing nothing but ascending at around 25 with NO bonus to GOLD. this means you literally trade-off pushing for souls for skills or pushing for gold bonus and when your doing one the other does not stack. This means you have to do one or the other and double the entire length of the game for 0 reasons or gameplay benefit. Active skill Tress is hidden behind a time-gated key mechanic that only gets improved through the cash shop.

Its literally a rip off of idle slayer on top of all that.

[Jaden (AceAngel TTV)]

Wrong all round.
1) VIP/cash shop barely does anything, I bought the 700 Amber pack and got VIP and all I could get was 75% coin boost, that's barely anything, the other p2w options are not worth it, just limited boosts.

2) Just make sure you wait till you have at least 50% more coins than last time each ascend and you will swiftly make progress. You should never do a reset just for a skill purchase, your entire argument is 'i want to play the game non optimally' ..? Just have patience and reset when its more logical, don't let a skill tree "force" you to ascend lol.

3) Yes you can pay $5.50 to get a faster skill tree unlock and some useless amount of Amber.. And that's a bad thing? That's such as cheap purchase and it only adds a small increase to your stats (okay, well fairly big after a few months of building up skill points I guess).
It's not really broken, and even if it is, that's a really cheap price almost everyone can afford.

4) There is only 1 tier of the cash shop, so it's not like most F2P/P2W games that has like a dozen VIP levels costing hundreds

5) I played Idle Slayer for a while, till I accidentally found out you could easily edit your save file and have quintillions of currency, then lost interest and uninstalled lol. Anyway, yeah it's similar, and? There can be only 1 FPS game? One MOBA? One Battle Royale? I find people outraged by 'copies' hilarious, the outrage only works for a few months till other copies come out, and it just becomes a genre lol. Anyway, its functionally slightly different, no jumping and uhh.. That's about it, but that's fine. I look forward to more clones such as Idle Paladin tbh.

6) Spay and neuter your pets ^_^

[Neocronic]

I played in idle slayer, drop it in middle of ascend tree because game just boring as hell. And if you think game not p2w you totally wrong. From start you have artifacts thats can be bought only with premium currency and game trolls you by giving you 25 of that currency and everything starts from 30. So you literally cant buy anything until you buy something with real money. I beat many quests and these 25 dropped only once, so you have no ways to earn premium currency ingame instead of just donate your real money.

In Tap Ninja you can drop amber each day from enemies or you drop it from challenges. So you have unlimited amber generation and can literally buy everything if you play enought. Also game not have artifacts, so you only can put your amber in one item thats slowly raise your money/sec. And even without this items you still can progress in game easily. I just have 200+ achievements in 4 days from start playing. In idle slayer even one run can take whole day if you try to reach next upgrade in ascend tree, because only one way to generate souls is killing enemies. You cant just idle whole way like in Tap ninja, you should actively playing game whole day or you cant progress. In tap ninja you can idle some time then reset, take one upgrade from tree, then idle some time, take another upgrade and you literally should actively playing only when pushing. I do it maybe once per day. Finished half of tree already without problems.

[B__ri__d__ge]

Originally posted by Neocronic:

I played in idle slayer, drop it in middle of ascend tree because game just boring as hell. And if you think game not p2w you totally wrong. From start you have artifacts thats can be bought only with premium currency and game trolls you by giving you 25 of that currency and everything starts from 30. So you literally cant buy anything until you buy something with real money. I beat many quests and these 25 dropped only once, so you have no ways to earn premium currency ingame instead of just donate your real money.

In Tap Ninja you can drop amber each day from enemies or you drop it from challenges. So you have unlimited amber generation and can literally buy everything if you play enought. Also game not have artifacts, so you only can put your amber in one item thats slowly raise your money/sec. And even without this items you still can progress in game easily. I just have 200+ achievements in 4 days from start playing. In idle slayer even one run can take whole day if you try to reach next upgrade in ascend tree, because only one way to generate souls is killing enemies. You cant just idle whole way like in Tap ninja, you should actively playing game whole day or you cant progress. In tap ninja you can idle some time then reset, take one upgrade from tree, then idle some time, take another upgrade and you literally should actively playing only when pushing. I do it maybe once per day. Finished half of tree already without problems.

actually there was some way to get the premium currency in idle slayer. I don't remember how but it had to do with ascension or something... maybe even the daily bonus by some flying thing. This way you can save up all bonus on PC.

[dan zang]

I stopped playing (for now) after a couple days. The game requires constant attention if you want to progress. Idling reduces your progress by 100x or worse. The prestige upgrades feel stingy. There's also no variability in game play. You just click when an enemy scrolls into your character's position. The challenge levels are time-locked, so you can only do one a day -- it looks like it would take a year to be able to do them all.

The game is HEAVILY "inspired" by Idle Slayer down to the UI layout. I don't know that it's quite a ripoff though, but close. It's actually missing a lot of the features that gave Idle Slayer some gameplay variability -- jump-firing, dimension switching, the platforming mini-game, a branching, non-linear upgrade tree, second-tier prestiging, the village.

The Dev has posted a roadmap of features he intends to roll out over the next year. They might add enough depth to make the game interesting enough for me to pick it back up.

[Neocronic]

Originally posted by WildFreeDefend:

Originally posted by Neocronic:

I played in idle slayer, drop it in middle of ascend tree because game just boring as hell. And if you think game not p2w you totally wrong. From start you have artifacts thats can be bought only with premium currency and game trolls you by giving you 25 of that currency and everything starts from 30. So you literally cant buy anything until you buy something with real money. I beat many quests and these 25 dropped only once, so you have no ways to earn premium currency ingame instead of just donate your real money.

In Tap Ninja you can drop amber each day from enemies or you drop it from challenges. So you have unlimited amber generation and can literally buy everything if you play enought. Also game not have artifacts, so you only can put your amber in one item thats slowly raise your money/sec. And even without this items you still can progress in game easily. I just have 200+ achievements in 4 days from start playing. In idle slayer even one run can take whole day if you try to reach next upgrade in ascend tree, because only one way to generate souls is killing enemies. You cant just idle whole way like in Tap ninja, you should actively playing game whole day or you cant progress. In tap ninja you can idle some time then reset, take one upgrade from tree, then idle some time, take another upgrade and you literally should actively playing only when pushing. I do it maybe once per day. Finished half of tree already without problems.

actually there was some way to get the premium currency in idle slayer. I don't remember how but it had to do with ascension or something... maybe even the daily bonus by some flying thing. This way you can save up all bonus on PC.

I not remember any daily bonuses in this game, maybe you wrong? Also i enter in game from mobile right now and check last patches and there no dailies or something, premium currency still cant be earned. Maybe you about time when game still have b2p variant? When dev make f2p version i think he just cut off all ways to earn this currency. I dont think mobile and pc have different versions, bc you have cross platform save.

[B__ri__d__ge]

Originally posted by Neocronic:

Originally posted by WildFreeDefend:

actually there was some way to get the premium currency in idle slayer. I don't remember how but it had to do with ascension or something... maybe even the daily bonus by some flying thing. This way you can save up all bonus on PC.

I not remember any daily bonuses in this game, maybe you wrong? Also i enter in game from mobile right now and check last patches and there no dailies or something, premium currency still cant be earned. Maybe you about time when game still have b2p variant? When dev make f2p version i think he just cut off all ways to earn this currency. I dont think mobile and pc have different versions, bc you have cross platform save.

well on computer I have the chance to earn like 3 premium currency through something... I think you can actually craft something? Maybe it's exclusive to PC because you purchased the game^^

[Neocronic]

Originally posted by WildFreeDefend:

Originally posted by Neocronic:

I not remember any daily bonuses in this game, maybe you wrong? Also i enter in game from mobile right now and check last patches and there no dailies or something, premium currency still cant be earned. Maybe you about time when game still have b2p variant? When dev make f2p version i think he just cut off all ways to earn this currency. I dont think mobile and pc have different versions, bc you have cross platform save.

well on computer I have the chance to earn like 3 premium currency through something... I think you can actually craft something? Maybe it's exclusive to PC because you purchased the game^^

But at pc game f2p too...

[KillerTurtle]

Everyone saying the game is too active just can't read, the title of the game is tap ninja not idle ninja and I don't see the p2w in this game it just needs alot of attention thats why it's called TAP ninja. And the roadmap doesn't look to bad either but it is defo NOT an idle game since you make 100x more money by clicking.

[KillerTurtle]

Originally posted by Helios:

I never said it was pay to win to be clear anywhere in my posts. People just see what they want. I could care less if the devs make some Money. That's a good thing in my book as long as it's not broken.

I also never said it was too active.

The issue is the balance is so bad that you HAVE to use the cash shop to make any kind of realistic progress. Even playing actively with an auto-clicker.

My main point was the design and balance of the game isn't done correctly.

Every game of this type has all your required multipliers stack per reset. There is no reason not to have them all reset and stack from start unless your game is short for content. Go find me a game that does it like tap ninja is doing it.....ill wait.

A fun hint: It's not cuz it's new or innovative...lol

The too active part was defo not directed too you but the p2w was, you absolutely do not need VIP whatsoever. And idd you can wait for an ascend to get more bonus %income or just ascend to get an upgrade. Been playing for couple hours active and most hours autoclicker inactive (overnighting isn't worth it tho) and I have progressed really far. (80+ ascension upgrades so far) And the roadmap that got posted is actually pretty interesting too, you should check it out.

[Neocronic]

Also hint for everyone who thinks VIP p2w. You can install this game at mobile, game have same save like at pc, but here instead of waiting when you drop amber and keys you can just watch 4 ads and earn same rewards. So just login from phone for 2 minutes per day and you will have same bonuses as VIP player.

[B__ri__d__ge]

I mean... this is a free game. Let's say you play a 10€ game for 10 hours. You would pay 1€/h.

This one though, is free.... You are complaining... why?

[DUCK]

aah so no reason to play this game at all?
As for UI elements, sometimes it can feel like a ripoff, other times it's a layout that "just works". So got nothing against it about that, but as mentioned it seems to want to add just the basic things that idle slayer had with not a lot of personality except from the art style.

Also that there is no good payment option or a free vs paid one? as a mobile port that wants you to stay connected for a long time? yeee no, and with how little that happens and having to run the game is kind of a downer, could be better passive and timed content. like around challenges or daily content/rewards.

[KillerTurtle]

Originally posted by DUCK:

aah so no reason to play this game at all?
As for UI elements, sometimes it can feel like a ripoff, other times it's a layout that "just works". So got nothing against it about that, but as mentioned it seems to want to add just the basic things that idle slayer had with not a lot of personality except from the art style.

Also that there is no good payment option or a free vs paid one? as a mobile port that wants you to stay connected for a long time? yeee no, and with how little that happens and having to run the game is kind of a downer, could be better passive and timed content. like around challenges or daily content/rewards.

The recent roadmap says things like that will be added sooner or later I believe.

[Heinrich]

It's an amusing game on occasion. I've been just logging in daily to hit fireflies for amber and checking to see if I can buy a skill on ascension. The change to where you can retry challenges unlimited times makes keys super useful. I don't think this is the sort of game where you want to sit down, fiend over it, and "beat" it.

[Demodulated]

It's an incremental endless runner. Idle Slayer wasn't the first game of this genre and there's room for more. I'm having a good time with both games. No need to discourage people who enjoy this genre.