Why do people play Baldur's Gate

[Skeletor]

What is the psychology behind it? I'd like to investigate your childhood

[General Plastro]

A lot of people compare this to Diablo, but IMO this is far more like Gauntlet than Diablo.

At least if you play on the harder difficulties, this game is much less about stat building and more about positional fights.

Diablo has always been 90% stat/skill tree building and 10% everything else. Games like Dark Alliance are far more 50/50 on having to properly move around and using the correct gear or skills.

Save for bosses, i never felt like i am grinding or going up against enemies that are "walls" due to a bad skill choice or such.

[Kiryn]

Originally posted by Tr0w:

Originally posted by Draconuuse:

Console arpg vs. pc. It was never going to be as complicated as Diablo 2 or either of those titles. But hey it’s still fun and has been remembered almost 20 years later. Enough that it’s been released on modern systems. Definitely had more of an impact than either of those games. With enough success from its predecessors rerelease to to warrant another games rerelease.

If people are mad that a classic game is successful. Oh well. I’m going to enjoy the trip down nostalgia lane. And hope that more classic games from my childhood get released on modern systems so that I may enjoy them for many more years to come.

They weren't popular or successful games though,

Just curious, why is it so important to you to "prove" that these games weren't popular or successful? Are you offended that they used the name Baldur's Gate, but were action games?

There's all sorts of D&D games, in all sorts of genres, on all sorts of platforms. Their existence does not cause offense to PC Baldur's Gate 1 & 2. A remaster of Dark Alliance isn't coming to your house to shoot your dog, or delete your copy of BG2. They can all co-exist peacefully.

(as for the Dark Alliance games, I know from looking at emulation sites over the last 10-15 years, that there are plenty of people who wanted to get them working again, and emulating the Snowblind engine is a ♥♥♥♥♥ & a half. So there's a market for this game.)




. . . there's also plenty of good PC ARPGs besides Diablo 2 and Path of Exile (which is kind of trash).

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Skeletor:

What is the psychology behind it? I'd like to investigate your childhood :papyrus:

You mean old school Baldurs gate 1/2? Good games for AD&D ruleset and the ARPG of Baldurs gate (the ARP that is aka this) is decent fun for an ARPG
alot of peeps upset over BG3 however for good reasons tho ...

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Tr0w:

1&2 are far better than the Dark Alliance spinoffs, 3 is orders of magnitude better than the DA games.

You know...You could've just said your a butthurt fanboy of the bad og games from the start... and admitted that these games doing well so far hurts your feelings.

then someone like you started throwing names ...

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Echorion:

First couch coop that was sorta diablo-esq we could just pop in and play with friends.

Honestly, these days, there are a ton of better options. For the time however, nothing could compete.

this is a good arguement +1

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Tr0w:

Originally posted by Alex:

Butt hurt fanboy for sure...

BG 1&2 each sold over 2 million copies on PC alone when they came out and their metacrirtic scores are 91 and 95.
Dark Alliance sold around 1 and a half million copies on Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube combined. DA2 sold under 1 million on Xbox and PS2 combined. Both DA games have lower review scores as well.

More people bought BG3 Early Access than bought DA and DA2 combined.

Meta critic means jack is the problem its been shown how companys can just influence it remeber death stranding deleted over 1600 negitive reviews and boosted its metacritic score pretty nicely coz of that ...

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Tr0w:

BG 1&2 each sold over 2 million copies on PC alone when they came out and their metacrirtic scores are 91 and 95.
Dark Alliance sold around 1 and a half million copies on Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube combined. DA2 sold under 1 million on Xbox and PS2 combined. Both DA games have lower review scores as well.

More people bought BG3 Early Access than bought DA and DA2 combined.

Bad games sometimes sell better than good, it's sad but true...

tis true Especly these days just over-rated over-hype games
Cyberpunk2077 sold ♥♥♥♥ loads of pre-order copys and copys oh yeah ...

[Kiryn]

Originally posted by THAC0:

Cyberpunk2077 sold ♥♥♥♥ loads of pre-order copys and copys oh yeah ...

And it's a pretty good game. Not great, not up to the hype some people built up, but pretty good.
(not the last-gen console versions, of course. Those were a disaster.)

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Kiryn:

Originally posted by Tr0w:

They weren't popular or successful games though,

Just curious, why is it so important to you to "prove" that these games weren't popular or successful? Are you offended that they used the name Baldur's Gate, but were action games?

There's all sorts of D&D games, in all sorts of genres, on all sorts of platforms. Their existence does not cause offense to PC Baldur's Gate 1 & 2. A remaster of Dark Alliance isn't coming to your house to shoot your dog, or delete your copy of BG2. They can all co-exist peacefully.

(as for the Dark Alliance games, I know from looking at emulation sites over the last 10-15 years, that there are plenty of people who wanted to get them working again, and emulating the Snowblind engine is a ♥♥♥♥♥ & a half. So there's a market for this game.)




. . . there's also plenty of good PC ARPGs besides Diablo 2 and Path of Exile (which is kind of trash).

I'm saying they aren't the force some people are acting or have acted like they are at times. I had both when they came out, still have the copies. They weren't anything special.

It's not surprising you'd find people wanting to play it again, even big rigs has it's fans. Some times i want to play Powermonger again. That doesn't mean it's really popular. I'd play these again on PC but not for what Necroplay are asking. Set the individual price to £15 and bundle them for £30 and i'll make the purchase. I mean look at the work that went into the Yakuza titles or the MCC and they cost less than these.

Obviously there are lot's of decent looters on PC, that wasn't what was being discussed. It was leaving an impact and Diablo and Path of Exile have left by far the biggest on the sub genre. Throne of Darkness, Prince of Qin, Titan Quest, and Grim Dawn are good but their impact is minuscule compared to those two giants.

[Jammet]

The gameplay is addictive and very enjoyable. Many games in the genre give you this feeling of satisfaction. Rewarding you for your efforts. The formula is probably best explained by a psychologist, I suppose. But many people simple get joy out of completing things. Collections, challenges, achievements. Become stronger, become faster, become better. Feel increasingly more powerful, able to defeat monsters that seemed unbeatable before. Tinkering and maximising the potential of your character and their weaponry. Progression is multifaceted, but the grind is easy to understand, the hurdles difficult to overcome. Accomplishment is it's own reward.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Jammet:

The gameplay is addictive and very enjoyable. Many games in the genre give you this feeling of satisfaction. Rewarding you for your efforts. The formula is probably best explained by a psychologist, I suppose. But many people simple get joy out of completing things. Collections, challenges, achievements. Become stronger, become faster, become better. Feel increasingly more powerful, able to defeat monsters that seemed unbeatable before. Tinkering and maximising the potential of your character and their weaponry. Progression is multifaceted, but the grind is easy to understand, the hurdles difficult to overcome. Accomplishment is it's own reward.

Eh it seems that way at first, but most of those rewards end up being inventory clogging trash.

[Jammet]

It's always a mixture. A minor annoyance it can be, yeah. Especially though when selling spammy low quality loot takes very long. I remember enjoying myself in this particular one back then though. However, my coop buddy spent a looot of time in the inventory. :D

[ElvisDepressedly]

This game definitely satisfies a sort of Gauntlet-Diablo feel, always liked ARPGs even back when as well, so this clicked great with me and it's just a comfortable zen game.

[ElvisDepressedly]

And I only just thought, this style of more simple ARPG clearly had some fans, as a good handful of them all came out around the PS2/Xbox era and most of them are fondly remembered, this, Bard's Tale, Fallout: BoS (Even though that one was super dodgy) and another couple that are just on the edge of my memory.

[kenithehated]

because its something you can play to have fun.

no brainer button mashing games are fun.

i like it even more as an adult, specially after work