Reminder, do not buy a 4070 to solve this, you need something else here..

[Tracido]

NVIDIA RTX 4070 Performance in a Nutshell
Via: NikTek
https://youtu.be/VMLgX79Lcq8

Now, I'm off to enjoy the game with my 7900 XTX..

[Ninjafroggie]

frankly im perfectly happy with my 7900XT. It laughs at everything I've thrown at it so far, considering I dont have a 4k display and have no plans to get one.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Ninjafroggie:

frankly im perfectly happy with my 7900XT. It laughs at everything I've thrown at it so far, considering I dont have a 4k display and have no plans to get one.

7900xt was one of the worst product of this generation but after recent price drops it became one of the better ones in my opinion. Especially with that chunky 20GB VRAM.
Still - this generation sucks.

[Vox Maximus]

4070 is fine if you don't want to deal with AMD ♥♥♥♥♥♥ drivers, poor RT performance or lack of DLSS and frame generation.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by MaxL:

4070 is fine if you don't want to deal with AMD ♥♥♥♥♥♥ drivers, poor RT performance or lack of DLSS and frame generation.

I think AMD drivers are rather good for the last few years. It’s nvidia that seem to have more drivers problems recently.

[AmaiAmai]

Originally posted by MaxL:

4070 is fine if you don't want to deal with AMD ♥♥♥♥♥♥ drivers, poor RT performance or lack of DLSS and frame generation.

But frame generation is only on a handful of games? RT is as well...

[Vox Maximus]

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

Originally posted by MaxL:

4070 is fine if you don't want to deal with AMD ♥♥♥♥♥♥ drivers, poor RT performance or lack of DLSS and frame generation.

But frame generation is only on a handful of games? RT is as well...

More and more will have it. Just like it happened with DLSS.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by MaxL:

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

But frame generation is only on a handful of games? RT is as well...

More and more will have it. Just like it happened with DLSS.

It’s like buying 2070 for RayTracing :)

Sure, frame generation is cool but there are maybe one or two games that a single person will play. When more games come out AMD will have their own FSR3.0 already.
New AMD cards can do RayTracing. Unless you want path tracing in cuberpunk then you may want 4090.

[Vox Maximus]

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Originally posted by MaxL:

More and more will have it. Just like it happened with DLSS.

It’s like buying 2070 for RayTracing :)

Sure, frame generation is cool but there are maybe one or two games that a single person will play. When more games come out AMD will have their own FSR3.0 already.
New AMD cards can do RayTracing. Unless you want path tracing in cuberpunk then you may want 4090.

Well FSR2 is inferior to DLSS. I am not expecting miracles from FSR3. Also AMDs frame generation will be an interpolation, so it will be inferior as well.

RT OD is playable (50ish fps range) in 1080p on 4070, btw

[C1REX]

Originally posted by MaxL:

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

It’s like buying 2070 for RayTracing :)

Sure, frame generation is cool but there are maybe one or two games that a single person will play. When more games come out AMD will have their own FSR3.0 already.
New AMD cards can do RayTracing. Unless you want path tracing in cuberpunk then you may want 4090.

Well FSR2 is inferior to DLSS. I am not expecting miracles from FSR3. Also AMDs frame generation will be an interpolation, so it will be inferior as well.

Possibly but you get more vram and more raster performance today that works with every game. Other options are niche or theoretical.
It’s a trade off.
I personally like to play older games in 4K and pure performance of AMD cards that I can use in every game suits me better currently.
5070 with performance of 4090 may change my stance.

[Vox Maximus]

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Originally posted by MaxL:

Well FSR2 is inferior to DLSS. I am not expecting miracles from FSR3. Also AMDs frame generation will be an interpolation, so it will be inferior as well.

Possibly but you get more vram and more raster performance today that works with every game. Other options are niche or theoretical.
It’s a trade off.
I personally like to play older games in 4K and pure performance of AMD cards that I can use in every game suits me better currently.
5070 with performance of 4090 may change my stance.

If one is not interested in 4K gaming, than 12GB of VRAM will be perfectly enough.

More than a year until 5070.

[𐍃𐌀𐋏𐌀𐍂𐍈𐌂𐌊]

I should have bought AMD :C

[C1REX]

Originally posted by MaxL:

If one is not interested in 4K gaming, than 12GB of VRAM will be perfectly enough.

More than a year until 5070.

You can’t be sure what will be enough. Some games already get close to 12GB at 1440p and devs just started to move on from 8GB.
I bet some games at 1440p Ultra + RT will exceed that limit in 2y. And if you don’t care about RT then why pay extra for nvidia? AMD already can do better RT in some games due to VRAM limitations.

I also start to believe that Nvidia actually did plan obsolescence considering that 3080 was planned to have 20GB and some 3060s actually have 12GB.

If that’s true it’s also a matter of principle to not buy their powerful but castrated products.

Additionally I have very niche problem with NVIDIA. Their current cards have only one HDMI slot. I run dual 4K TV setup and need two HDMI ports. Only Asus cards offer them but costs a lot more. I refuse to be scammed like that. It’s super weird limitation considering rising popularity of 4K TVs as monitors.

[Vox Maximus]

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Originally posted by MaxL:

If one is not interested in 4K gaming, than 12GB of VRAM will be perfectly enough.

More than a year until 5070.

You can’t be sure what will be enough. Some games already get close to 12GB at 1440p and devs just started to move on from 8GB.

Devs will not move from 8GB for a long time. Considering that majority of players out there have either 6 or 8GB of VRAM.

This poor port is not an indicator of devs moving anywhere.

[MishaTX]

Originally posted by MaxL:

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

You can’t be sure what will be enough. Some games already get close to 12GB at 1440p and devs just started to move on from 8GB.

Devs will not move from 8GB for a long time. Considering that majority of players out there have either 6 or 8GB of VRAM.

This poor port is not an indicator of devs moving anywhere.

You're right.

77% of players, to be exact. No sane dev team is going to cut themselves off from 77% of the market right off the bat.

This will change, but we're not near that yet.

[Vox Maximus]

Originally posted by MishaTX:

77% of players, to be exact. No sane dev team is going to cut themselves off from 77% of the market right off the bat.

This will change, but we're not near that yet.

And games like FARCRY 6 will just tell you that your system does not support Ultra HD (or whatever they call it) textures if you have 8GB GPU. It's fine in my book to not be able to run all on ultra if you don't have the top hardware, but mid range should not be limitted to the very bad low quality textures like in this game (Medium setting that fits 8GB)...