proof that 8GB vram is not enough

[ChickenBalls]

Even the lowly 12GB 3060 and 16GB Arc A770 perform way better than rtx 3070 and 3070Ti and thats only at 1920x1080
https://youtu.be/_lHiGlAWxio?t=460

[jam2k2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Vo9f5it2k

[ChickenBalls]

KingGorillaKong님이 먼저 게시:

ChickenBalls님이 먼저 게시:

well according to this article the 4060Ti and 4060 will have 8GB
itll be interesting to see how much the msrp will be
https://videocardz.com/newz/new-leak-confirms-the-upcoming-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-gpu

There were going to be a 16GB 3070Ti but it got canceled probably because ppl were willing to pay over $1000 for the 8GB version and a 16gb version wouldve killed that cash cow

If you had a 16GB 3070/Ti/3080, you wouldn't need to upgrade one generation to the next tier. You wouldn't get frame generation but you won't take massive performance hits in games for several years to come. You can safely get away without a generational jump.
I had to make a generational jump from the 1650 Super to the 3060 12GB because of the limiting vRAM. Thankfully for having a 12GB card now I can safely get through the next generation of GPUs without needing one of them to remove any significant GPU bottleneck or visual downgrading of settings. If pricing is right on the 50 series, may go that way, but I'm probably gonna wait and see what mid range 8000 series Radeon is like instead.

nVidia doesn't want consumers like this though. They want people making as many generational upgrades as possible, and mostly, they just want people buying the high end cards. DLSS3 isn't a strong enough selling feature, so if they can get you on video memory too, then that's a good selling feature. And it looks like this was nVidia's plan giving how far into the original 30 series they began to axe all ideas of higher vRAM cards.

wow that reminds me of when I upgraded from gtx 970 to 1080 but waited almost 6 years to upgrade to 3090ti.
but no offense the 1650 series cards were pretty bad even when they were released. You wouldve been better off with a used 1060 6GB.

DLSS3 is currently nothing more than gimmick just like ray tracing was in 2018 and according to Digital Foundry its useless for lower fps
https://youtu.be/92ZqYaPXxas


Unlike some of the braggers here I don't feel good about owning a high end card in 2023 because the value is just terrible despite the fact I bought mine at half the MSRP. Just think about it the best gaming GPU in 2016 was only $550 and 6 yrs later you'd have to pay $1600 or €2000 for the same class of card.

[kgkong]

but no offense the 1650 series cards were pretty bad even when they were released. You wouldve been better off with a used 1060 6GB.

It only comes down to the vRAM though. That extra 2GB of vRAM goes a lot further on that card. I have friends still rocking the 1060 6GB and it's because as long as they're playing within spec, it holds up. I only had to upgrade a little earlier than them because of the vRAM requirements and I had decided to switch to 4k displays. And 4k display very quickly ate into that limited vRAM budget.

[rservello]

ChickenBalls님이 먼저 게시:

Even the lowly 12GB 3060 and 16GB Arc A770 perform way better than rtx 3070 and 3070Ti and thats only at 1920x1080
https://youtu.be/_lHiGlAWxio?t=460

Or enough when the port is a lazy piece of ♥♥♥♥. Sure. Uncharted 4 and god of war we’re awesome.

[Vox Maximus]

U_Go_6FT_BeLOW님이 먼저 게시:

Oh i'm about to test this on my old 2014 cpu/motherboard build with an 8 core AMD Vishera Processor 8300, 16gb DDR3 1800mhz RAM, 2 X 2TB 970 Samsung Evos in raid 0 and recently upgraded to 3070ti 8gb card. So far its been playing newer games like Spiderman Remastered just fine at 4k 75" 120hz VRR & HDR+ TV. We'll see if old Betsy can keep up with TLOU VRAM Devoured Edition. I havent played this game for 10 years, looking forward to another run..probably at mid to low settings and a 60 FPS cap. If it runs it smoothly, you're wrong and i'll come back and let you know, if not, you're still wrong and im refunding anyways until the game is better optimized/patched.

That RAM will not work.

[kgkong]

MaxL님이 먼저 게시:

U_Go_6FT_BeLOW님이 먼저 게시:

Oh i'm about to test this on my old 2014 cpu/motherboard build with an 8 core AMD Vishera Processor 8300, 16gb DDR3 1800mhz RAM, 2 X 2TB 970 Samsung Evos in raid 0 and recently upgraded to 3070ti 8gb card. So far its been playing newer games like Spiderman Remastered just fine at 4k 75" 120hz VRR & HDR+ TV. We'll see if old Betsy can keep up with TLOU VRAM Devoured Edition. I havent played this game for 10 years, looking forward to another run..probably at mid to low settings and a 60 FPS cap. If it runs it smoothly, you're wrong and i'll come back and let you know, if not, you're still wrong and im refunding anyways until the game is better optimized/patched.

That RAM will not work.

It will work. Whether it will work well and not cause performance issues is another story.
I'm pretty familiar with this setup that he's gonna test out, and I can say for a fact you'd be amazed at how capable that actually is. It's definitely bottlenecked in a few areas but you can still get stable frametime performance out of it in a lot of games. Just gotta tweak a number of more game settings than just picking through the presets. A mix between low CPU based settings and medium to high GPU based settings will help a lot.

I used to run a similar rig with a little less juice under the hood than this. Definitely had performance spikes when memory spillover occurs, but beyond that, provided playable experiences. Upgraded as it was time I moved away from a 10 year old system.

[Vox Maximus]

KingGorillaKong님이 먼저 게시:

MaxL님이 먼저 게시:

That RAM will not work.

It will work. Whether it will work well and not cause performance issues is another story.
I'm pretty familiar with this setup that he's gonna test out, and I can say for a fact you'd be amazed at how capable that actually is. It's definitely bottlenecked in a few areas but you can still get stable frametime performance out of it in a lot of games. Just gotta tweak a number of more game settings than just picking through the presets. A mix between low CPU based settings and medium to high GPU based settings will help a lot.

I used to run a similar rig with a little less juice under the hood than this. Definitely had performance spikes when memory spillover occurs, but beyond that, provided playable experiences. Upgraded as it was time I moved away from a 10 year old system.

No, it won't work. I mean for the game to be in a somewhat playable state.

[papalazarou]

U_Go_6FT_BeLOW님이 먼저 게시:

Oh i'm about to test this on my old 2014 cpu/motherboard build with an 8 core AMD Vishera Processor 8300, 16gb DDR3 1800mhz RAM, 2 X 2TB 970 Samsung Evos in raid 0 and recently upgraded to 3070ti 8gb card. So far its been playing newer games like Spiderman Remastered just fine at 4k 75" 120hz VRR & HDR+ TV. We'll see if old Betsy can keep up with TLOU VRAM Devoured Edition. I havent played this game for 10 years, looking forward to another run..probably at mid to low settings and a 60 FPS cap. If it runs it smoothly, you're wrong and i'll come back and let you know, if not, you're still wrong and im refunding anyways until the game is better optimized/patched.

interesting, lets see

[ChickenBalls]

MaxL님이 먼저 게시:

U_Go_6FT_BeLOW님이 먼저 게시:

Oh i'm about to test this on my old 2014 cpu/motherboard build with an 8 core AMD Vishera Processor 8300, 16gb DDR3 1800mhz RAM, 2 X 2TB 970 Samsung Evos in raid 0 and recently upgraded to 3070ti 8gb card. So far its been playing newer games like Spiderman Remastered just fine at 4k 75" 120hz VRR & HDR+ TV. We'll see if old Betsy can keep up with TLOU VRAM Devoured Edition. I havent played this game for 10 years, looking forward to another run..probably at mid to low settings and a 60 FPS cap. If it runs it smoothly, you're wrong and i'll come back and let you know, if not, you're still wrong and im refunding anyways until the game is better optimized/patched.

That RAM will not work.

pretty sure he would have more problems than the RAM
if the FX8300 can run a modern game with acceptable frame rates
then nobody should've got rid of their 4core/4thread i5s

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4570-vs-AMD-FX-8300/2770vsm7163

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Core-i5-4570-vs-AMD-FX-8300-Eight-Core/1896vs1825

there is a reason why AMD got sued for those awesome 8 core Bulldozer cpus
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14804/amd-settlement


edit: oh and pretty sure no AM3 motherboards from that era got 2x gen3 x4 NVMe m.2 slots

[Snake]

Dunno why everyone is going on about ram…cuz it works fine for me on 8

[Bob the Boomer]

Yeh pay more for cards with less VRAM, because it has a ti at the end for e.g. it must be worth the money.

Cannot wait until the 4060 comes out with 8GB VRAM for $450 US dollars, I will be cool and defy logic that games require more VRAM and tell ppl to lower their settings or run the game at 720p and use the awesome DLSS feature.

Going backwards is not progress

[Iggy Wolf]

Perhaps someone should tell Nvidia then to stop being cheap with VRAM. I recently read an article that was pointing out how their share/stock price is currently valuated at higher than it's actually worth. It'll be interesting to see going forward whether GPUs will still even matter to them as much as AI and cloud computing does. Their attitude lately towards their GPUs and the lower and midrange end of their stock towards more regular consumers shows they don't really care about maintaining a regular GPU market though.

They're acting like the Mercedez Benz of GPUs. They can afford to move a limited stock of their best GPUs for a small market, and make most of their money back that way, while completely ignoring the "poor people" sector of gamers that simply want a GPU that's "good enough" for what people want it to do. At that point, you can hate them for it, but like those "luxury car brand" manufacturers would tell you, "you're not a part of our customer/demographic base, so we don't care what you think".

[ChickenBalls]

U_Go_6FT_BeLOW님이 먼저 게시:

Tested no crashes in 5.7 hours, took 2.5 hours to build shaders. Yes no nvme SSD. I made it to right now im going through the city with Tess and Ellie. Doesnt matter if I put it down to 1080p or up to 4k and go low to mid settings... I still cant get over 30 fps but its stable around 28 in most areas. The high infected/fire scenes it drops to mid to high teens. Def. will be playable after an optimization patch and game ready driver from Nvidia. I'll be looking at upgrading my cpu/ram/motherboard but has for now that $2k build from 2014 (+$700 GPU upgrade in 2022) is still gaming. I should also note my TV is a 75" 4k HDR+ VRR 120HZ so I was never expecting this old equipment to be a stable 60fps @ 4k for a big 75" screen, though spiderman remastered has no problems even on higher settings and actual ray tracing.

lol you are gonna change your specs again?
That FX 8300 you claimed to be running is way below the minimum i7 4770K. Its about as bad as i5 4570 and even if you would be able to run it you'd get 1% lows below 10fps.

a more believable cpu would be the i7 4770K also released in 2013
since your profile is private its hard to tell if you have taken any screenshots showing what your game looks like but it most likely look much worse than Rise of the Tomb Raider from 2015

[kgkong]

ChickenBalls님이 먼저 게시:

U_Go_6FT_BeLOW님이 먼저 게시:

Tested no crashes in 5.7 hours, took 2.5 hours to build shaders. Yes no nvme SSD. I made it to right now im going through the city with Tess and Ellie. Doesnt matter if I put it down to 1080p or up to 4k and go low to mid settings... I still cant get over 30 fps but its stable around 28 in most areas. The high infected/fire scenes it drops to mid to high teens. Def. will be playable after an optimization patch and game ready driver from Nvidia. I'll be looking at upgrading my cpu/ram/motherboard but has for now that $2k build from 2014 (+$700 GPU upgrade in 2022) is still gaming. I should also note my TV is a 75" 4k HDR+ VRR 120HZ so I was never expecting this old equipment to be a stable 60fps @ 4k for a big 75" screen, though spiderman remastered has no problems even on higher settings and actual ray tracing.

lol you are gonna change your specs again?
That FX 8300 you claimed to be running is way below the minimum i7 4770K. Its about as bad as i5 4570 and even if you would be able to run it you'd get 1% lows below 10fps.

a more believable cpu would be the i7 4770K also released in 2013
since your profile is private its hard to tell if you have taken any screenshots showing what your game looks like but it most likely look much worse than Rise of the Tomb Raider from 2015

Actually, thanks to the design of the FX-8000 series, they aged far better than Intel CPUs.
I got over 10 years of reliable, quality use out of my FX-8100 and upgraded from it February last year. There's a few good gems in the 8000 series that really stand out for this, 8100, 8300 and 8320.

In terms of practical performance, my FX 8100 was out performing most, if not, all 9th gen Intel CPUs as newer and newer software and games came out. Helps having a decent rest of the rig to go with it (quality motherboard and good RAM).

[The doctor is in]

i have an amd 6700rx with 12 gb

the game is using 10 gb

with high preset

and it runs, plays, looks and sounds great. solid 60 fps (cause of vsync enabled)

i guess we will soon be needing 16gb vram gpus...