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Do I have to buy 16gb more ram just for this game?
I currently have 16gb of ram, a 3070 and a 3600XT. I saw that the ram consumption exceeds 16gb in 1440p. So will I have to buy 16gb more ram for this game to work decently for me? Or wait for them to fix the game to reduce both ram, vram and cpu consumption? It makes me sad :(
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Автор сообщения: Lame Boy Advance SP
idk mine only uses 10GB (max) of RAM. VRAM is a definitely needs some optimization though.

Looking at the graphics on ultra settings across the board how much less VRAM should it use? Ultra at 2k or 4k is for brand new 4000 series cards. Except this. They do not have to optimize their game to run on toasters. That is just a hopeless dream.
Автор сообщения: Disco Inferno
Автор сообщения: Beloretral
There won't be a fix, just like there wasn't one for Dead Space, Forspoken, Hogwarts Legacy and others. High Vram requirements are here to stay as Next-gen games shift to streaming assets in real time from video memory rather than forcing load screens constantly. My advice? Sell that overpriced PC of yours and buy a $400 PS5 where games like this run smooth as butter.
No, Sony, we won't
The clear advice is to just buy a 6750xt or something instead. Or at the very least, stop buying overpriced and massively underperforming nVidia hardware. No it does not cost more because it is better, for exactly the same reason an Ali Express PC with a GT 710 costing $800 is not "better" it's literally preying on you. They are using predatory practices taking advantage of consumer ignorance and spending the money on propaganda instead. How is it any different when it's corporate propaganda rather than the USSR or NSDAP? It's still propaganda meant to deceive and manipulate you for benefit of a small wealthy and powerful cabal, and that's why nvidia maintained such a stranglehold on the market despite their gaming hardware being subpar, for exactly the same reason why Dell is so prolific despute the fact Dell sucks and their margins are huger than anyone. Aurora PCs are a straight up ripoff, worse than literally any of the other prebuilts out there. They spread these memes and lie about driver bugs on AMD meanwhile being filled with driver problems of their own, and never does nvidia talking about the performance, because the performance itself sucks.



Автор сообщения: DarkFury-EX
I personally think 16GB is ok, it seams to be becoming the standard that games need at least 12GB but having 32GB means if your GPU only has 8-10GB VRAM and if the game needs to load more textures it spills over to system RAM to compensate... which is a good thing just may introduce a little stutter as System RAM is slower than VRAM
Bad VRAM means that you're going to have crashing and a stuttering mess on 8-10gb cards at high resolution. It doesn't matter how much RAM that you have, being clear, RAM on system memory and VRAM on GPU is different, there is is higher latency on RAM and especially if you have slower ram this is a problem but it may crash or fail to load anyway. You want 32gb fast RAM because of system, not to try and compensate for ♥♥♥♥♥♥ VRAM on nvidia cards. DCS for example takes 32gb of RAM. If you have browsers and streaming and stuff in the background then you do need more RAM and multicore performance.
It's pretty much stupid, PS5 has 16 GB ram and yet game runs normally on that
You got 8GB Card. So, yep, As you already bought 60USD worth game, why not buy 50USD worth 2sticks.

What's more funny is that if you got 12GB VRAM like 3060 or Arc A770 16GB , 16GB RAM is enough to play at HIGH-Ultra Textures.

Anyway, You can also go with 24GB RAM but then dual channel will be compromised. So, it's better to buy two more of these sticks.
Отредактировано The_GarlicBread; 31 мар. 2023 г. в 8:46
just last week amazon put the kit of 2x8gb corsair vengeance at 3200mhz that I originally bought, for 42€ and I didn't even think about it, and I was totally right as it actually uses more than 16gb the game, the truth is that for the price that the ram is worth today it is worth it.
16 GB's simply is not enough anymore.
3070 doesn't have enough Vram for this game.
Автор сообщения: The_GarlicBread
You got 8GB Card. So, yep, As you already bought 60USD worth game, why not buy 50USD worth 2sticks.

What's more funny is that if you got 12GB VRAM like 3060 or Arc A770 16GB , 16GB RAM is enough to play at HIGH-Ultra Textures.

Anyway, You can also go with 24GB RAM but then dual channel will be compromised. So, it's better to buy two more of these sticks.
I don't think you people understand, clearly I am not dealing with computer people at this point.
NO, 2 sticks of system RAM isn't going to fix the issue. RAM is not the same thing as VRAM. Your GPU memory is much different, it is faster VideoRAM tied directly into GPU, you do not have GDDR6X memory sticks. This is not a problem that can be fixed with RAM sticks. Your card is permanently crippled by not having enough VRAM. Sometimes you can get away with still playing the game because it starts swapping to system memory, which is what makes it an unplayable stuttery mess. YOu see all this stuttery? The HORRIBLE 1% lows? That is because you ran out of VRAM and now your card is switching to using the system memory off these RAM sticks, which even the fastest DDR5 XMP profile is not going to be anywhere near GDDR video memory. So the result is much higher latency and stutters. The stuttering is happening because it already is using the shared memory off system RAM and that cannot be fixed. But that's even if it will load at all. Sometimes games just flat out will refuse to play if you run out of VRAM. Hence the nonstop crashing. Sometimes your game is crashing because it cannot swap to system RAM. This is an engine problem iirc, and games where it happens also don't get fixed by more RAM sticks iirc.

In either case, the stutters isn't fixable. The only way to solve this problem is not buying crippled nVidia cards like the 3070 and 3080 that didn't have enough VRAM. This is one of the many reasons why people were switching to AMD because their Radeon cards perform just as well but are cheaper and have adequate VRAM. This is what helps make nVidia age like milk and they do it on purpose so it forces you to either buy a higher end card or replace it every two years and sit there like a cuck wondering why your game won't run despite spending many hundreds of dollars on overhyped and overpriced hardware which doesn't even work well soon after you bought it. This is why I don't even buy nVidia anymore, because of lack of support, bad drivers, bad vram, horrible efficiency and bad prices causing nonstop headaches. I knew Ampere was going to be a ♥♥♥♥ show and that's why I switched to AMD instead of waiting or getting a Turing, and I've been happy ever since.

You are having these problems because of nVidia's bad drivers and bad VRAM and you will remember me telling you directly this the next time you have these same problems that it isn't just TLoU and it won't be just the next game that causes these problems either. This is because newer games at higher resolution need lots of VRAM onboard the card itself. This is why all the AMD cards had 16gb of VRAM, because they are forced to make a much better product by having a smaller share of the market they can't just bully their way in to having their chips on every prebuilt. So what you're stuck with now is literally midrange AMD card's VRAM from 2017 on a 2021 expensive brand new GPU that's designed to fail two years after you bought it just in time for the newest batch of ProductsTM to be sold by nVidia that they keep price jacking every single generation until it's basically unaffordable now. The clear solution is stop giving these people money. They are scamming you. A 3070 and 3080 does not have enough VRAM. You cannot fix this by buying more RAM. They are always going to be a stuttery mess from here on out because games require more than 8gb of VRAM at high resolution.
Автор сообщения: danygia
3070 doesn't have enough Vram for this game.
This



Автор сообщения: er_coje_aceituna
just last week amazon put the kit of 2x8gb corsair vengeance at 3200mhz that I originally bought, for 42€ and I didn't even think about it, and I was totally right as it actually uses more than 16gb the game, the truth is that for the price that the ram is worth today it is worth it.


Автор сообщения: IckyrusXO
16 GB's simply is not enough anymore.
Again, it isn't just a RAM problem. GPU VRAM and system RAM are two completely separate things. You can't slot another 8gb stick onto your graphics card. Your graphics card is permanently crippled with 8gb of VRAM. We told you guys this back in 2020 when we were warning you the 3070 does not have enough VRAM and it's very soon after launch going to have massive performance issues because 8gb was barely enough for 1440p back then and 8gb literally wasn't enough for 4k in 2020. You cannot fix your graphics card. This was by design. So nVidia is forcing you to buy a brand new card every 2 years because they think of you like some sort of paypig who will never consider switching brands, so they don't need to make better products. They'll upcharge you more for Lovelace, then your Lovelace GPU is going to start to fail in 2 years by which time they'll charge even more ridiculous sums for RTX 5000 and the cycle repeats. You can have 64gb of system RAM and it isn't going to fix the issue. If you're using 12gb of VRAM and have a 3080 or 3070 it's simply never going to be an unstuttery mess. It will always stutter and crash because you don't have enough VRAM. The only way to fix this is either turn the settings down so it uses 8-10gb of VRAM and deal with a worse looking game, or buy a 16gb 6800XT. Or play at a lower resolution and get a 1080p monitor.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/514764/geforce-grd-53141-feedback-thread-released-32323/

Known issues: [The Last of Us Part 1] Game may randomly crash during gameplay on GeForce RTX 30 series GPUs [4031676]
I have 16 gb and able to play on high 100 frames after patch. You should be good
Автор сообщения: VayyyLo
I have 16 gb and able to play on high 100 frames after patch. You should be good
Yeah but he only has 8gb of VRAM. Even if this game somehow got optimized to only use 8gigs that's still not going to fix the permanent problem, which is that he's got a card running gimped VRAM capacity. That's going to lead to really poor performance at 1440p if he keeps trying to run all new games on ultra settings. 8gb is capped even at 2017 games at 1440p. Deus Ex Mankind Divided for example easily takes 8gb at 1440p. Games released in 2023 are going to be really hard to play at max settings with only 8gb above 1080p.
Автор сообщения: D R A G O N
Автор сообщения: IckyrusXO
16 GB's simply is not enough anymore.
But please, it depends on game, not all of them are and otherwise you have a lot of VAC and game bans, what are you dude? -,-
I've been banned, therefore I can't tell you tech advice?

8GB's of VRAM and 16GB of DRAM is not enough in 2023. Every single major AAA release from now on will use more than 16 GB of ram.

That being said, of course this game is busted. I've got a 3090 and 32 GB of RAM. I still have issues. But you will have even more on less RAM.

Grow up dude.
I'm playing fine at 4K with an RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, i7-8700K and 16GB RAM on Windows 10. All this complaining is really annoying. Some of the stuff you people say is cringe. This is a great game and gets review bombed. Gamers are so toxic. I seen multiple people with better hardware than me refund Dead Space and get rid of their 30 or 40 series GPU acting like it was impossible to play. You people are hilarious. Stick to playing on consoles, I guess. lmao
Автор сообщения: Mr. A
Автор сообщения: IckyrusXO
I've been banned, therefore I can't tell you tech advice?

8GB's of VRAM and 16GB of DRAM is not enough in 2023. Every single major AAA release from now on will use more than 16 GB of ram.

That being said, of course this game is busted. I've got a 3090 and 32 GB of RAM. I still have issues. But you will have even more on less RAM.

Grow up dude.

Apparently being VAC banned suddenly makes you not credible. Not the first time I seen that thrown around. It's a weird trend people like to use against others to downplay their word for some reason. Not sure how cheating relates to building a PC. Don't see the connection
Cheating makes your word automatically more suspect. That is another reason not to lie and cheat, because even when you're not lying or cheating it's harder to trust you or take you seriously. Like why a former criminal with a hardened record is going to have a tougher time proving he is innocent even if he didn't do it, because you're all going to be "ohh yeah sure, it was the *mailman* who stole that package not you." Like literally if you watch court TV cops just assume you're guilty. Even this one guy got robbed and shot in the face and somehow the cop was dumb enough not to notice the GSW to his face and questioned this dude like he killed his girlfriend, poor guy he had brain damage.

So yeah just saying. If you want to be taken seriously, don't lie, cheat, and steal constantly. If you did do that you're going to have to work harder at earning people's trust. That's just the simple facts of cheats and cutting corners and quick gains, what's easier today makes life much harder in the future.



Автор сообщения: IckyrusXO
Автор сообщения: D R A G O N
But please, it depends on game, not all of them are and otherwise you have a lot of VAC and game bans, what are you dude? -,-
I've been banned, therefore I can't tell you tech advice?

8GB's of VRAM and 16GB of DRAM is not enough in 2023. Every single major AAA release from now on will use more than 16 GB of ram.

That being said, of course this game is busted. I've got a 3090 and 32 GB of RAM. I still have issues. But you will have even more on less RAM.

Grow up dude.
Busted or not nVidia acknowledged it's 30 series problems. Not sure why you'd also be having them but yeah, to clarify VRAM isn't the same as system memory, you can't replace VRAM and RAM 1:1 guys and 12gb VRAM and 32gb RAM kits is more or less how you should be building your systems, preferably 16gb VRAM + 32gb RAM unless you are at 1080p still.

Alternatively, just turn the settings down lol if you don't have expensive enough equipment I don't know why this surprises people they can't play the newest games at 100fps 4k ultra. It wasn't even *that* many years ago I was having Unreal 4 games stuttering like crazy and having to turn settings down at 768p.
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