TLOU Benchmarking multiple GPU's at Hardware Unboxed

[Sol3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lHiGlAWxio

[kazooie350]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how GPU's work but after watching the Hardware Unboxed comparison my results with this game are confusing. I have an RX 6600 with 8 GB of VRAM and when I first fire up the game it looks and plays great on the medium preset without enabling FSR (this setting shows just under the 8 GB VRAM limit). I can play this way for 15 or 20 minutes and then the stuttering starts. I have tried changing multiple settings using FSR all the way to ultra performance and changing details that bring the VRAM usage down below 6.5 GB but I get the same results... great performance at first then stuttering. The longer I play the worse it gets to the point where it will pause with a "Please Wait" message as it loads. Could this indicated a memory leak? My specs are:

I5-8600k
32 GB 2666 RAM
RX 6600
The game is installed on a 2 TB SATA SSD.

[METAL]

Originally posted by uri_nrv:

Originally posted by METAL:

i have a 3060 with 12gb vram. i would be playing at 1080 as so far other games like resi 4 remake is running just fine on most settings at ultra.
however, still not sure if i should get the game or not.

The game is FAR from a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that everyone is talking, is hard to find an objetive analysis about it. The game is VERY demanding, ask for way more than it needed compared with other games. It looks fantastic tho.

VRAM is needed for higher setting, even if your GPU can handle the FPS, if it haven't the enough VRAM you need to tone down some settings. The game is also very CPU demanding, and uses a lot of cores. If you want high fps, you need to have a strong CPU, if not, you are going to be limited by this and you need to lower the target fps you are looking for.

The time to build/compile shaders is real, is very high and very CPU demanding. And the loading times are high too.

Check the system specification on every hardware requirement (GPU, CPU, RAM. VRAM. SSD) you are goign to be limited by the weakest one in your system.

i know uncharted took over 5min to load the shaders but the game as such ran really well. besides for the mouse issues after a patch. which thankfully was fixed again after the following patch.

my CPU could be a problem as its a i5 9400, but as mentioned, uncharted ran very well and had most of the settings at max.

[CJM]

Originally posted by kazooie350:

it will pause with a "Please Wait" message as it loads.

32GB RAM should be mostly immune to any memory leaks at this time.

That "Please Wait" message, I got that during the early parts of the game, and I haven't seen a "Please Wait" pause since I picked up Ellie.

Do you know what chapter you are on?

[Ghost0901]

Originally posted by kazooie350:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how GPU's work but after watching the Hardware Unboxed comparison my results with this game are confusing. I have an RX 6600 with 8 GB of VRAM and when I first fire up the game it looks and plays great on the medium preset without enabling FSR (this setting shows just under the 8 GB VRAM limit). I can play this way for 15 or 20 minutes and then the stuttering starts. I have tried changing multiple settings using FSR all the way to ultra performance and changing details that bring the VRAM usage down below 6.5 GB but I get the same results... great performance at first then stuttering. The longer I play the worse it gets to the point where it will pause with a "Please Wait" message as it loads. Could this indicated a memory leak? My specs are:

I5-8600k
32 GB 2666 RAM
RX 6600
The game is installed on a 2 TB SATA SSD.

The way your performance degrades over time like that makes it sound a lot like a memory leak.

There's nothing you can do about it but wait for them to patch all those out.

[uri_nrv]

Originally posted by a7:

Hardware Unboxed is known for promoting GPUs with large amounts of VRAM and they're trying to confirm this view even on poorly optimized games that have a lot of other problems. It's just wrong to use TLOU as an indicator of hardware demands until the software issues are fixed.

Dude, a 390 and 470 had 8gb of VRAM in 2014/16... HU is like those channels that didn't say that 4/4 is enough for gaming back in 2016, when everyone wanted to be frozen in time and makes 4/4 last forever.

In 2020 8 and 10gb wasn't enough, even in Nvidia Reddit people are talking in the post of this video about that, and there, the majority agrees than NVidia put a really low amount of VRAM in the 3000 series and is going to do the same with the 4050/60 and 70.

[Red Star, Blood Moon]

Originally posted by JoeRifle:

This. Finally some sense.

Yes, it uses a whole lot of vram. But you should be good with 8GB @1080p. Or use DLSS.

8GB is always a bit limited once you run AAA titles above 1080p.

And yes though, the game might work just fine with less usage - BUT it is a port. Do not forget that!

PS Running it on a nvme with intel cpu does help 1% lows for me btw (he says that he doesnt know in the video, seems to help from my experience)

lulz or just don't buy a crappy nVidia GPU. nVidia hardware sucks. This is why everyone warned you about how RTX is bad. It costs too much money, uses way too much power, and performs horribly because RTX cards had driver bugs and driver overhead problems since Turing and because nVidia keeps scamming people including on VRAM meant that anyone who bought an RTX 3070 is going to be having a much worse experience within two years than anyone who bought a 6700XT or 6800. Those cards are working just fine. You literally need like 11gb for 1440p and 12-16gb for 4k. nVidia does this ♥♥♥♥ on purpose so you are forced to buy a new card every 2 years. It's like why Apple is so bad, or why Dell products sucks. They are straight up ripping you off, and most people are too dense to simply switch to RDNA cards. Ever since GTX and GCN became RTX and RDNA the tables have turned, now AMD makes the best CPUs and best gaming cards, and you only should be getting RTX if you're a professional renderer and video editing. If you do not get paid to render and video edit then RTX is literally a badly performing waste of money.

In fairness they been doing that since forever, this is why Kepler GPUs are mostly unplayable on today's games, not even because of performance problems it still can run modern games, but because it has busted ass drivers on GTX 700 cards and it can't run Vulkan and they all have too little VRAM except for the laptop 780 and desktop 780ti. 2gb is not enough VRAM for even 1080p. They did this on purpose so you'd buy a new one every few years. The next gen they literally got sued for their GTX 970 3.5gb false advertising. Pascal had good will even though the GTX 1060 was not a great product, it cost too much and only became so common because most people buy prebuilts and laptops, it's the same reason why Steam survey now shows 1650 to be "most popular" it isn't because anybody likes the GTX 1650 super it's because that's the default chip most laptop manufacturers put in their gaming laptops and was really common in the average prebuilt during the pandemic. People who actually built and upgraded their own PCs often used 1070's and RX 570's and such in that era. But the performance was there and the GTX 1080ti and 1070 were really great cards so people think favorably of that era, also because nVidia had just updated their VRAM it finally was a card that could last longer than 2 years.

But now we're back to the point where it's like when you get 2gb on everything but 80ti 3gb cards and basically that 3gb 780ti is going to be the absolute minimum VRAM going forward. Pulled the same ♥♥♥♥ with RTX cards, 8gb was clearly the minimum for 1080p and clearly you needed to have at least 12gb for 4k. Doom Eternal was using up over 11gb back in 2019. So clearly these cards are like HP laptops designed to break on purpose in 2 years. That's why anyone who's stuck with RTX cards is going to have massive problems running newer games and why those with Radeon GPUs are going to have a buttery smooth experience on high performing hardware, is because AMD put 16gb VRAM on those cards and that is going to make 6800XT last perfectly for 4k whereas 10gb 3080 does not and is basically a 1440p card now at best, unless it starts running out of VRAM at 1440p too.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by kazooie350:

The longer I play the worse it gets to the point where it will pause with a "Please Wait" message as it loads. Could this indicated a memory leak? My specs are:

Sounds like thermal throttling to me. Check temps while playing.

[Red Star, Blood Moon]

Originally posted by uri_nrv:

Originally posted by a7:

Hardware Unboxed is known for promoting GPUs with large amounts of VRAM and they're trying to confirm this view even on poorly optimized games that have a lot of other problems. It's just wrong to use TLOU as an indicator of hardware demands until the software issues are fixed.

Dude, a 390 and 470 had 8gb of VRAM in 2014/16... HU is like those channels that didn't say that 4/4 is enough for gaming back in 2016, when everyone wanted to be frozen in time and makes 4/4 last forever.

In 2020 8 and 10gb wasn't enough, even in Nvidia Reddit people are talking in the post of this video about that, and there, the majority agrees than NVidia put a really low amount of VRAM in the 3000 series and is going to do the same with the 4050/60 and 70.

>everyone
Who tf is everyone? Nobody said that. We all knew "it's fine for right now" was partly coming as the usual nVidia cope about paying a lot for their hardware that's not going to last, and you know what quite frankly the $400 GTX 770 is as God intended and that's why I'd pay for a 5700XT but thought 2070 super was too expensive. That was when a custom 2070s was $570 for a dualfan and my Taichi triple fan cost $400. Now it costs literally double that for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ power guzzling 4000 card that I'd need to pay even more money to replace my PSU just to use. $550 for a GTX 980 and frankly the 1650 super is on par with a GTX 980 or 1060 6gb. Notice I said 6gb, because nVidia scammed back then too with cut down "1060" the same way they had tried "4080 12gb" but couldn't get away with that. It's their usual VRAM scam antics. And people *knew* back then the VRAM someday doesn't cut it, and well here we are, 4gb is good enough for many 1080p games still but 8gb is the minimum for new. People were only saying this back then because GTX 700 had so little VRAM and their paltry 2gb only became 4gb later for the 900 series which had the 980 have 4gb and gave the 980ti 6gb of VRAM, which you'll notice right after the 980ti 6gb came out the 1060 comes out with 6gb as the minimum standard. It's purely about nVidia's price structuring. 2060 also had 6gb although by then it was a really weak card for the money anyway with 2060super being blown out of the water by a 5700XT's performance being more in line with a 1080ti or 2070s but costing just as much. So it was weak enough at least you wouldn't notice 6gb was a low amount of VRAM because the card itself couldn't handle as much.

But even all that stated, weaker cards can still perform well enough on modern games but suck only because of the VRAM or APIs. Take Kepler and Tropico 6 for instance. You will play Tropico 6 just fine on even a GTX 660ti that game runs like a dream, but the problem is, it needs over 3gb of VRAM just to run. So you'll be able to play that game just fine on a Gainward GTX 770, but the 2gb 770's will run out of VRAM and lead to crashing or unplayable stuttering. It's like if I soldered the SSD onto a laptop just to force you to replace your entire laptop if the drive fails or if you wanted more than 512gb of storage, it's literally a rip off. So your 770 might perform just fine otherwise, but because of the crippled VRAM you either need to buy an AMD card or upgrade to the latest nVidia. That's how they make their money. That isn't that "finewined" drivers on AMD make the card insanely fast, it's just nVidia literally ages like complete ♥♥♥♥. The other problem being I can't even play Warhammer 40k Gladius DLCs because they switched to Vulkan, and so even though Gladius is literally an iGPU tier game that you can mostly play on a Haswell iGPU, because nVidia hadn't supported Vulkan makes the game unable to launch. So nVidia's bad drivers, bad support, and nVidia's bad VRAM all make the hardware effectively 2-year products that within 4 years are going to be having massive problems. This is why I made fun of people in 2020 trying to say they wanted an RTX card for "futureproofing" because clearly if you bought anything RTX back then you not only did the opposite of futureproof the performance, but even the raytracing was so poor on Turing that you'd have been better of just buying a 6800XT for RT>

[Arokhantos]

It was pretty obvious vram issue, now limit graphic settings acording to graphic budget more or less tested like hardware unboxed did and fix crashes if not possible at those limited graphic options limit them within 100% of vram budget.

[kazooie350]

Originally posted by CJM:

Originally posted by kazooie350:

it will pause with a "Please Wait" message as it loads.

32GB RAM should be mostly immune to any memory leaks at this time.

That "Please Wait" message, I got that during the early parts of the game, and I haven't seen a "Please Wait" pause since I picked up Ellie.

Do you know what chapter you are on?

Ellie and I are on our own. We have reached the subway.

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Originally posted by kazooie350:

The longer I play the worse it gets to the point where it will pause with a "Please Wait" message as it loads. Could this indicated a memory leak? My specs are:

Sounds like thermal throttling to me. Check temps while playing.

Max temperatures are 61C for the CPU and 62C for the GPU.

[Sol3]

Originally posted by kazooie350:

Originally posted by CJM:

32GB RAM should be mostly immune to any memory leaks at this time.

That "Please Wait" message, I got that during the early parts of the game, and I haven't seen a "Please Wait" pause since I picked up Ellie.

Do you know what chapter you are on?

Ellie and I are on our own. We have reached the subway.

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Sounds like thermal throttling to me. Check temps while playing.

Max temperatures are 61C for the CPU and 62C for the GPU.

My CPU is floating around the early 50's and the GPU is around 68 but then again my system is not in a case

[Sol3]

My CPU is floating around the early 50's and the GPU is around 68 but then again my system is not in a case

[Whiplash711]

Originally posted by CJM:

Originally posted by JoeRifle:

This. Finally some sense.

Yes, it uses a whole lot of vram. But you should be good with 8GB @1080p.

Hardware Unboxed dude is a moron.

He specifically says the issues are VRAM. He clearly hasn't tested a Minimum Requirement Quad Core CPU with all of his GPUs. The game is CPU bound.

Yeah and you have not played the game past the shaders being completed is my guess. Not to mention that the choices you have to customize the settings helps a lot. This is not a console game anymore. With PC you have to set things for your PC. If you are still running a 5yro CPU then do not expect to run in 4k.
As for VRAM, I have a 8GB card but I have pushed it to 11GB and the game does great. I have never seen anything in the game that bothers me in the least. I do not stare at the FPS counter as I do not care. Human eye only sees but so much. This is not even PVP so no excuses from that.
If you want to play top of the line graphics have a top of the line PC. If your PC can not take the fire, keep it out of the kitchen. So sad that Steam users are allowed to trash a great game. If they moderated the reviews currently it would not be at 39% of 10k reviews are positive. Simply would be mixed or positive. Too many ignorant people in the world refusing to educate themselves.

[Hide]

It's quite pathetic to say that the game crashes because you are using a too high preset for your Vram. If you exceed the Vram the result must be in a low fps and stability but never the game crashing... I play all my games exceeding my Vram always. Never had a problem or crash...

[CJM]

Originally posted by Whiplash711:

Originally posted by CJM:

Hardware Unboxed dude is a moron.

He specifically says the issues are VRAM. He clearly hasn't tested a Minimum Requirement Quad Core CPU with all of his GPUs. The game is CPU bound.

Yeah and you have not played the game past the shaders being completed is my guess.

I have long past the shaders being completed, more than once actually with a driver update.

My 8-Core CPU is at its limits at 60 FPS in most areas, 100% full tilt.

In the Bill's Town chapter my CPU dropped tremendously. That chapter seems to be more GPU bound.

Originally posted by Whiplash711:

As for VRAM, I have a 8GB card but I have pushed it to 11GB and the game does great. I have never seen anything in the game that bothers me in the least.

Why you throwing shade at me then? We are on the same page it sounds like.