That ending.

[Catvrix]

Wow, that was a horrible ending. I don't know who wrote that but something tells me they had a stroke right when they got to the final part of the script.

Well written characters in a story have an arc in which they grow as a person. Joel kinda does that, although its not done very smoothly so it's already kinda unbelievable but when we get to the ending... yea. That was some TERRIBLE writing. You could tell that the devs wanted a gauntlet event at the end so the story had the suffer as a result of it.

Easily the worst ending in a videogame I have ever played and i have 100s of hours in mass effect 3.

[Catvrix]

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You keep saying "sacrifice humanity for her" but that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. We didn't have to kill a whole bunch of humans to create a polio vaccine. We didn't have to kill a whole bunch of people to create a chickenpox vaccine. Firefly lady says they need the mutated fungus in Ellie's brain. Well, they can just take a small part of it. Its throughout her brain. There is no need to take all of it and murder her. Hell, thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid. We know the fungus keeps growing, Ellie will eventually become a clicker as the fungus keeps growing inside her head. So, they can take a small sample, use that to start their research with and then, when their initial research fails, which will happen because science isn't magic where you just throw stuff in a cauldron and create a magic potion, they will still have access to more of the fungus. It shows why their plan is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid and why it's terrible writing.



Again, not a professional writer. I also had to google what a steven universe is and i don't watch cartoons because im not a child so i have no clue if thats supposed to be meant as an insult but i'll call you a coprophage just in case. Also my "version" was a thing i threw together in 0.5 seconds as a reply. If I spent more than that i could probably come up with an infinitely better version then what we got. Not that you'd ever agree because that would mean admitting you arent the avatar of all knowledge in the universe and could be wrong, so that's pointless.



Nooooo are you telling me a different story has.... different situations? You don't say. I thought different stories all had the same situation. Its an example you coprophage. You said "using words is lame and doesn't work" and I gave you an example where using words is not only works but also is kinda amazing for being included as an option. As far as cringe nonsense goes. i decided to let the epilogue fully play and stars and stones that was some cringe nonsense. He swore. Do you really not see how the writer is using cheap bs to create drama. In 2 firefly lady will likely come back, maybe kidnap ellie and inform her of what really happens. Cliche AND cringe. Yikes. The better option woulda been to have the hospital as a base in the second game. Not that i'll play that pile of garbage. Ive been told that game ends even worse.

alright you seem incapable of understanding basic points in a simple discussion so no wonder you can't understand why this game's ending works better than your goofy idea

done wasting my time with you

Ah dismissal, the losers forte.

[Senki]

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alright you seem incapable of understanding basic points in a simple discussion so no wonder you can't understand why this game's ending works better than your goofy idea

done wasting my time with you

Ah dismissal, the losers forte.

What's there to lose? This is not some argument about facts it's simply opinions on stories. If you like your writing better then good for you, I can't stop you.

I simply observed that your points make absolutely no sense as a response to mine so i just don't wanna talk to someone like you anymore. Especially when you get so worked up over this that you start throwing out tantrums and insults lmao. Arguing with people like that is just neverending nonsense that I don't want to waste my time on, learned my lesson already.

[Zephyr]

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The ending is kind of bad because it does no make any logical sense how the firelies and their "supposed scientists" approach the vaccine development. You find even a note that says basically that Ellie has no immune reaction whatsoever, despite having a fungus in her brain. Since vaccines require immune reactions no immune reaction in the host already means there is nothing to create a vaccine from. It does not work. Since the "scientists" found this out this would have meant Ellie is an unsuitable candidate. Not to mention that a blood sample should have given them everything to make a vaccine in the first place. No killing Ellie required.

The whole thing does not make any sense :). If this is ignored Joels reaction is ok for him, at least if looked at out of context.

Just from the story however, smart fireflies would have either talked to him and Ellie together and told Ellie the truth. This would have made it terribly difficult for Joel to crash the party, if Ellie would have wanted the surgery. She would have hated him forever. The harsher and even simpler option would have been to simply kill Joel when they caught him and Ellie. Or telling Joel after the surgery only when it was too late.... But telling him to the face: "Oh yeah, we sedated your "daughter" and our doctors cut her up right now, take her brain and kill her, terribly sorry, but no big deal, yeah? We also did not ask her before"
With only two guards escorting him outside directly after? When Marlene knew perfectly what he was capable of? With his real daughter having died in his arms because he could not save her? Really? That was so bad..... .

Anything else than what happened in the game would have been easier to buy :).

What Marlene did there with the situation in the actual story was incredibly stupid. No way around it and it was not terribly convincing. Essentially, it was lazy writing to enable Joel to go berserk and save the day (for himself). Half a brain from any Firefly would have sufficed so that he would not have been able to. So, objectively quite bad. I enjoyed the game, but the ending truly was not great the way we got there. Really liked the game, but the ending left me incredulous with an open mouth and not in a good way :).

Agreed with this, those are some actual good points on why the ending might be considered bad. Not any of that ''Joel should have simply convinced them with words'' nonsense that the OP is yapping about.

I can kinda forgive the ''Ellie needs to die'' idea because the writers are clearly not scientists and it's just fantasy but the rest of the stuff you mentioned is pretty bad.

Well, the way the story unfolds things can only end one way once the fireflies get a hold on Ellie. Fireflies dead or Joel/Ellie dead. No talking could have really changed that. But the way they got there, unbelievable.... :).

Why not have Joel and Ellie getting separated before they get to the Firelies... . Ellie gets "collected", Joel follows suit and finds out about the price...things get dirty from there. A rough outline like this, but it would have solved all issues and would have been miles better than what we have. No dumb talk with Marlene required, no dumb actions from Marlene required. Just plain old Joel doing his thing once he finds out about betrayal. Marlene could even have tried to ambush Joel in such an alternative story or send Firefies to hunt him down before he can try and save Ellie. With something like this he could have convincingly found out what price Ellie has to pay without any of the nonsense. All actions would make sense. All else could have been left like it is now. Sigh.... .

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Well, the way the story unfolds things can only end one way once the fireflies get a hold on Ellie. Fireflies dead or Joel/Ellie dead. No talking could have really changed that. But the way they got there, unbelievable.... :).

Why not have Joel and Ellie getting separated before they get to the Firelies... . Ellie gets "collected", Joel follows suit and finds out about the price...things get dirty from there. A rough outline like this, but it would have solved all issues and would have been miles better than what we have. No dumb talk with Marlene required, no dumb actions from Marlene required. Just plain old Joel doing his thing once he finds out about betrayal. Marlene could even have tried to ambush Joel in such an alternative story or send Firefies to hunt him down before he can try and save Ellie. With something like this he could have convincingly found out what price Ellie has to pay without any of the nonsense. All actions would make sense. All else could have been left like it is now. Sigh.... .

Yep, agreed with everything.

I still don't completely hate the ending just because I've seen much worse but it's average at best.