Why do people dislike Part II so much?

[ClearlyHopeless]

I'm curious as to the actual reasons people dislike part 2. I know a lot of people didn't like Joel dying which, while understandable, isn't really a criticism of the game. The story wasn't as good as the first game, most video game stories aren't, but it was still pretty good and had it's own message. I've also noticed a lot of people mentioning some kind of "agenda" that the game creators were trying to push, but I don't see that either. Ellie was already confirmed gay by the first game, buff women exist, and there is a trans boy in the game who is one of my personal favorite characters from the game. The game/plot never stops to display some kind of agenda, these are just people living in this world. If the game just wasn't for you I can understand, but I haven't heard people actually say why they disliked this game, usually it's just "part 2 sucks" and nothing more. So, if you dislike Part II please tell me why and ideally have it be as specific as possible

EDIT: I'd like to make some amendments to my previous statements. I have heard enough people mention some good enough points for disliking Joel's death that I consider it a valid criticism IF your reasons hold water. The buff women thing is also contested as someone has pointed out that she may be too big considering it's an apocalypse but I'm not entirely sure if that's true or not. I've also noticed a lot of the "agenda" crowd is very obviously just anti-whatever group of people, one going so far as to call it a "Jewish dystopia" for featuring a Jewish character. However, one user pointed out to me that there may be some Israeli politics in the game which, since I don't know much about that situation, is all I'll comment on. This thread has become more of a discussion about Part II between those who liked it and didn't like it and I'm fine with that. Just know that going in. :)

[LeftIsBest-James]

Messaggio originale di Avroveks:

boring game, no dynamics, mostly endless whining dialogues

cope cope cope cope

• hates game.
  
• can't stop posting on a discussion board how the game is unexceptional
  
• try the "Why $60"-line next time, it's funnier.
  

[sigina ✝]

Messaggio originale di Arthur Shelby:

Messaggio originale di ℭ𝔬𝔬𝔭𝔢𝔯:

How is it woke?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXI3G1JZ8J0&t=2s

This has nothing to do with Last of Us and the show

[Balgore]

Messaggio originale di LeftIsBest-James:

Messaggio originale di Arthur Shelby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXI3G1JZ8J0&t=2s

Lol, this is from Blaze Media. On the same level as Breitbart.
It used to have Crowder hosting it. (of the blackface/buckteeth-asian disguise fame)

Still having that white-supremacist Fuentes guesting?
Anything Left of DavidDuke is 'woke'. amirite?

Thats not an arguement against all the points in the video. It is woke. You deny it, because you know wokeness is bad.

[ClearlyHopeless]

Messaggio originale di Balgore:

Messaggio originale di LeftIsBest-James:

Lol, this is from Blaze Media. On the same level as Breitbart.
It used to have Crowder hosting it. (of the blackface/buckteeth-asian disguise fame)

Still having that white-supremacist Fuentes guesting?
Anything Left of DavidDuke is 'woke'. amirite?

Thats not an arguement against all the points in the video. It is woke. You deny it, because you know wokeness is bad.

I must ask what actual points you're referring to because I just watched that video and I can tell you that there really weren't any good points made and definitely not any related to TLOU II.

Modern Warfare two not having an American flag callsign is kinda silly, but really not a massive deal in any real way. The spider-man mod was clearly just homophobic as that is the only reason you would target pride flags specifically and label them stupid.

She mentions chat filters which are toggle-able and in no way forced upon you. She mentions that you can't put "White Lives Matter" as a clan tag which seems perfectly fine to me since literally no one who isn't racist says that ♥♥♥♥ anyway.

So I ask again, what points are you referring to?

[ClearlyHopeless]

Messaggio originale di OTnLGrieves Amorl:

One of the main things a successful game needs is a good story, look at games like the witcher 3 they made bank and still are making bank. Another point of video games is to escape reality not rehash some minority politics that we see in the movies and tv series industry. But even putting that aside the main problem people have with last of us 2 due to a certain characters death its just stupid. TLOU 1 shows us that this character is careful his survived in this Apocalypse for quite awhile, and then suddenly decides to throw all his experience and training to the wind and just chill out with a bunch of randoms his never met? Its like GOT all over again "this character has a set of values" get to the last season where up until now those values have been set in stone "Values? What values?". Just because games sequels aren't usually as good, they usually don't turn out so bad that they completely destroy a fanbase, and its not as if they cant be better at all or in some way. Your argument of "Ellie was like that in the first so whats the big deal?" In the first game there was no mentions, it was in the first dlc they released for it, which means it was a tag on, like a sequel. Moving on, why would Ellie be mad at joel for saving her from being a guinea pig?In the first game the doctor mentions it could cost her, her life. At the very beginning we're seeing a young girl who doesn't give a crap about saving the world and just wants a life for herself. And then of course there's hunting down abby's group killing everyone of them but the actual murderer? "it had its own message" And what may i ask in your eyes was that? "it sucks being collateral damage?" Even if you argue that its still a decent third person shooter, that's just not good enough to justify it being "good" there's dozens of great third person shooters, and every single one of them have better stories with better messages than TLOU2.

Oh boy, I agree with the Joel criticism to an extent though I'd like to make one minor correction that being he wasn't with them for "no reason" they were fleeing zombies and had to go with them. Anyway, onto the rest of the things. Yes, Ellie being gay was a "tag-on" but since the story she's gay in comes before the main game...she's been gay the whole time since that's how time works. Ellie explains why she was mad at Joel and while I don't agree with it the reason was there. She wanted her life to mean something, for all of the things she did on that journey to mean something. At the very beginning of what? She always wanted to save other people in the first game, she states that in the game so I don't know what you're talking about there.

The message would depend on your own interpretation, but they way I saw it was that revenge won't help you heal. You won't feel better and you'll just repeat the endless cycle of bloodshed. It's harder to forgive but it is the right choice. Do I agree with it fully? Idk maybe, but it was there.

[marok]

Messaggio originale di ClearlyHopeless:

Messaggio originale di Balgore:

Thats not an arguement against all the points in the video. It is woke. You deny it, because you know wokeness is bad.

I must ask what actual points you're referring to because I just watched that video and I can tell you that there really weren't any good points made and definitely not any related to TLOU II.

Modern Warfare two not having an American flag callsign is kinda silly, but really not a massive deal in any real way. The spider-man mod was clearly just homophobic as that is the only reason you would target pride flags specifically and label them stupid.

She mentions chat filters which are toggle-able and in no way forced upon you. She mentions that you can't put "White Lives Matter" as a clan tag which seems perfectly fine to me since literally no one who isn't racist says that ♥♥♥♥ anyway.

So I ask again, what points are you referring to?

These people have no points. They all just spout the words "woke" and "agenda", but will never actually say what is "woke", or what "agenda" is being pushed.

These people should just say they're homophobic and move on already, they can mask their homophobia and say the things they have problems with are "woke" or "an agenda is being pushed", but it's clear as day what these people mean.

It's not woke, an agenda is not being pushed. These people just can't tolerate any form of LGBTQ+ representation, the moment there's LGBTQ+ representation, it's "woke" or it's "an agenda".

Straight people can seemingly do whatever they want in media, and gay people can exist in media, but the moment gay people do something gay in media, that's when these people have massive issues with it.

[Arthur Shelby]

Messaggio originale di marok:

Messaggio originale di ClearlyHopeless:

I must ask what actual points you're referring to because I just watched that video and I can tell you that there really weren't any good points made and definitely not any related to TLOU II.

Modern Warfare two not having an American flag callsign is kinda silly, but really not a massive deal in any real way. The spider-man mod was clearly just homophobic as that is the only reason you would target pride flags specifically and label them stupid.

She mentions chat filters which are toggle-able and in no way forced upon you. She mentions that you can't put "White Lives Matter" as a clan tag which seems perfectly fine to me since literally no one who isn't racist says that ♥♥♥♥ anyway.

So I ask again, what points are you referring to?

These people have no points. They all just spout the words "woke" and "agenda", but will never actually say what is "woke", or what "agenda" is being pushed.

These people should just say they're homophobic and move on already, they can mask their homophobia and say the things they have problems with are "woke" or "an agenda is being pushed", but it's clear as day what these people mean.

It's not woke, an agenda is not being pushed. These people just can't tolerate any form of LGBTQ+ representation, the moment there's LGBTQ+ representation, it's "woke" or it's "an agenda".

Straight people can seemingly do whatever they want in media, and gay people can exist in media, but the moment gay people do something gay in media, that's when these people have massive issues with it.

woke, don't need your agenda.
i identify as '' They transphobic'' because free spech it's not allowed to white straight males. Deal with it!

[LeftIsBest-James]

Messaggio originale di Arthur Shelby:

woke, don't need your agenda.
i identify as '' They transphobic'' because free spech it's not allowed to white straight males. Deal with it!

Society evolves.
Corporations are not 'woke', they just follow the money.

If a corp wants to put on a pride flag, or american flag, or christian-fascist/nationalist flag, it's because that's where the money is. And right now, the world is progressive.

[D I A B L O]

Messaggio originale di perc 40:

Because youtubers told them to. Most people who ♥♥♥♥ talk the 2nd game never even played it

yea, the same people all made videos complaining about the resident evil remake being bad because it dont have a clock tower in the game,

when it does

which proves the point most people on youtube that make reviews dont even play the games but just watch videos what others have said and copy pste it

[[OTnL]Grieves Amorl]

Oh boy, I agree with the Joel criticism to an extent though I'd like to make one minor correction that being he wasn't with them for "no reason" they were fleeing zombies and had to go with them. Anyway, onto the rest of the things. Yes, Ellie being gay was a "tag-on" but since the story she's gay in comes before the main game...she's been gay the whole time since that's how time works. Ellie explains why she was mad at Joel and while I don't agree with it the reason was there. She wanted her life to mean something, for all of the things she did on that journey to mean something. At the very beginning of what? She always wanted to save other people in the first game, she states that in the game so I don't know what you're talking about there.

The message would depend on your own interpretation, but they way I saw it was that revenge won't help you heal. You won't feel better and you'll just repeat the endless cycle of bloodshed. It's harder to forgive but it is the right choice. Do I agree with it fully? Idk maybe, but it was there. [/quote]

" Yes, Ellie being gay was a "tag-on" but since the story she's gay in comes before the main game...she's been gay the whole time"

Lol that has to be the most twisted logic ive read in a while no offense, but you can't say "shes been like that the whole time" when the dlc came after the game was launched, the timeline the story is in, is irrelevant if the information was brought out after the game had launched after all we live in the real world so a games concept of time is irrelevant that's how reality works. Still doesn't change this information was added in later and there's not a single mention of her preferences in the first game probably because they knew it wouldn't sell, it comes down to changing the character after the fact.

Regardless of he was fleeing a zombie horde or if he just wanted a bacon sandwich, it may as well have been for no reason when he could've escaped with ellie without them used them as decoy even, he let his guard down completely and trusted a bunch of people he didnt know, completely taking a dump on his character built up through the first game. Not to mention that the chances of him running into this specific group at the specific time and place were just stupidly unrealistic, especially when its hard to get transport, supplies, and then travel across a large country like the states in the apocalypse? and they all ended up in the same place?

" but the way I saw it was that revenge won't help you heal."

That would be an understandable take on the story if ellie only killed one or two of the group members at the most and then stopped, coming to the conclusion that revenge didn't help, but to kill all of them except for abby the person who was responsible, being knee deep in blood of those who just stood by and watched with the exception of restraining joels group, and then come to this conclusion? it just comes down to nonsensical crappy writing.

"Ellie explains why she was mad at Joel and while I don't agree with it the reason was there"

If you don't agree with it along with many others including myself chances are its crappy writing simple as that, after all we're not debating if she had a reason or not, we're debating if the reason was good enough to be realistic or good story writing at the least, clearly it wasn't. after all you asked why people didn't see TLOU2 as a good game this is one of the reasons why. And considering the reasoning boiled down to "he took that choice from me i want to be able to make my own choices and mistakes" its hard to do that when it would have killed her and there was no guarantee that the vaccine would work cause again the doctor says her mutation of the virus is further along than the original so.

But anyway you asked why and i gave you fleshed out specifics good talk. Have a good one.

[Dootslayer]

Messaggio originale di perc 40:

Because youtubers told them to. Most people who ♥♥♥♥ talk the 2nd game never even played it

I hate Abby without having any youtuber tell me to. Unbearable character, the game should have been Ellie only.
The ending would have ruined it for me if i played it, with its whole "revenge bad, see? Revenge bad" message.

Games like Days Gone proven that revenge can actually feel good in a story.

[Balgore]

Messaggio originale di LeftIsBest-James:

Messaggio originale di Arthur Shelby:

woke, don't need your agenda.
i identify as '' They transphobic'' because free spech it's not allowed to white straight males. Deal with it!

Society evolves.
Corporations are not 'woke', they just follow the money.

If a corp wants to put on a pride flag, or american flag, or christian-fascist/nationalist flag, it's because that's where the money is. And right now, the world is progressive.

I disagree. The culture and media are progressive. The world is not. And most people are not. They aren't following the money, they're following the narrative because they dont want to be cancelled.

Look at BF 5 for example. Adding an amputee woman as the main character in WW2 and the CEO literally publicly telling people it's historically accurate and anyone who doesnt like it is a sexist, and not to buy the game. FULLY FLOPPED. Stores were left with 60% left on shelves. One of the largest flops in all of gaming history.

The demographic of gamers, is straight white males. And males in general. Alienating that demographic with forced, contrived political narrative, isn't for money.

Furthermore, people play games as ESCAPISM. They dont want politics in games. A joke here and there, fine. But to specifically make characters more diverse, or force trans or gay relationships where they dont need to be plot-wise or thematically, is stupid.

[Balgore]

Messaggio originale di marok:

Messaggio originale di ClearlyHopeless:

I must ask what actual points you're referring to because I just watched that video and I can tell you that there really weren't any good points made and definitely not any related to TLOU II.

Modern Warfare two not having an American flag callsign is kinda silly, but really not a massive deal in any real way. The spider-man mod was clearly just homophobic as that is the only reason you would target pride flags specifically and label them stupid.

She mentions chat filters which are toggle-able and in no way forced upon you. She mentions that you can't put "White Lives Matter" as a clan tag which seems perfectly fine to me since literally no one who isn't racist says that ♥♥♥♥ anyway.

So I ask again, what points are you referring to?

These people have no points. They all just spout the words "woke" and "agenda", but will never actually say what is "woke", or what "agenda" is being pushed.

These people should just say they're homophobic and move on already, they can mask their homophobia and say the things they have problems with are "woke" or "an agenda is being pushed", but it's clear as day what these people mean.

It's not woke, an agenda is not being pushed. These people just can't tolerate any form of LGBTQ+ representation, the moment there's LGBTQ+ representation, it's "woke" or it's "an agenda".

Straight people can seemingly do whatever they want in media, and gay people can exist in media, but the moment gay people do something gay in media, that's when these people have massive issues with it.

No, you're wrong.
1) Games are meant to be escapist. Nobody wants forced, contrived politics in games.
2) LGBT "representation" is nonsense. They represent less than 1% of society. And, in a zombie apocalypse, would represent 0% of society. They dont NEED to be represented. Mentally disabled people will not survive globally ending catastrophic events. No, im not being phobic, im being realistic.
3) BF5 put an amputee woman, had the CEO come out and tell everyone it was "historically accurate" and that everyone who doesnt buy it is a sexist. TELL ME with a straight face that isnt FORCING this BS into games. Historically, there were NO amputee woman who fought in WW2. And BARELY any women who fought, at all. From Western countries, ZERO woman saw combat. ZERO. It's changing history, it's lying, and its a slap in the face to the sacrifice of MEN.
4) Chat filters are not toggle-able in most games anymore. They auto-censor everything. Heck, you can barely even speak to enemies in most games nowadays. Take your little snowflake feewees and go somewhere else if you cant handle competitive player vs player environments. Blizzard in Starcraft 2 literally banned the word "white". AOE4 literally bans the word "noob". This is getting Fricken ridiculous.
5) No straight white male in media can do ANYTHING and get away with it. WTF are you talking about?! They get cancelled for sneezing in the wrong direction FFS. The ONLY forms of discrimination and intolerance in media today, are AGAINST straight white male. So go check yourself.

[D I A B L O]

IS THIS GOnna be one of them things where in 50 years from now everyone looks back at these comments shocked towards the hate that can be seen vs transversalities'

[LeftIsBest-James]

LOL, only took 250 messages for haters to admit:
- "Game Bad, 'cos I don't like Gays".