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Did they ever answer you or say if they have plans to implement FSR 3.1?
FSR has always been bad. PSSR is already better and its not even out yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKbuUXg9_4
With that said, AMD should abandon FSR. As XeSS, DLSS, and now PSSR are all better. We dont need any more crappy AMD software. Look at how long its taking them and the image quality is still poor against all other upscalers.
Another reason AMD should abandon FSR is for the fact that they have abandoned making GPU's that will compete against NVIDIA high end GPU's. Well actually, they never could compete. So now they are only making GPU's for mainstream audience and no longer making high end GPU's. Funny how they think that will change their market share.
https://www.techpowerup.com/326415/amd-confirms-retreat-from-the-enthusiast-gpu-segment-to-focus-on-gaining-market-share
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/new-radeon-8000-series-strategy
He said he prefers the FSR full-res Antialiasing, so that’s why he wants FSR3.1.
If AMD is smart then they would have come to an agreement with PlayStation to allow the use of PSSR in future AMD cards, but we’ll have to wait and see if they do that. Obviously they would call it “FSR 4” but it could still have that PSSR machine-learning magic inside that would result in a better image. We still don’t exactly know if the PS5 is using a co-processor separate from the main die or if it has part of the APU dedicated to PSSR, presumably it’s AMD hardware though. No reason why AMD couldn’t add it into RDNA 4.
I don’t really think it matters if they attempt to compete with 5080 and 5090. Most people who buy their cards are at the lower end of the stack. Like if you only have $200 to spend on a GPU, you would be dumb to not buy a 6600 or 6600XT. The 3050 is way worse of a value. AMD provides a good value at the $200-$450 price range and that’s good for everyone.
Nvidia wants to keep raising the price and shrinking the die size for all the midrange cards and continuing to make the 90 series card the most compelling option while raising the prices for every card in the lineup. If you look at the 4060, compared to Ampere, that card should be called the 4050. Every one of their cards is named higher than the specs justify. For people who can afford to spend $600 or more, Nvidia is the better option but they’re still pretty awful at the end of the day in terms of how they treat the consumer. They’re heading in a very Apple-like direction where they make high quality, compelling hardware but the barrier to entry is continually increasing and they are essentially skipping an entire price category ($200-$300 entry level product) and they only want to keep raising the bar excluding anyone who can’t afford the 4060 (while simultaneously not increasing the performance or VRAM on their lowest end products).
FSR is still garbage, and so is AMD. Proven by them openly admitting to defeat.
What do you think NVIDIA is going to do once they try to gain market share with this new tactic. If AMD thinks they are going to gain that much market share by not releasing high end cards. They are totally ignorant to the fact of what NVIDIA is doing and will continue to do.
As NVIDIA's low end cards are more popular than AMDs. Has nothing to do with making budget GPU because their budget GPU's arent selling that well compared to NVIDIA anyway. Look at how many people are using the 3060 and 4060 GPU's on Steam.
At this point AMD should just sell off RADEON. Just like ATI before it because it couldnt compete than, and it cant compete now. On any level. Especially when Intel gets things moving on that front as well for budget cards with Arc 2. Their software and drivers are superior too.
At least with this it should help the consumer overall, which is good. If AMD actually does release somewhat decent GPU's that actually compete at that level. It will only force NVIDIA to either lower the price or make their cards perform better. Which they can, especially how much of a gap there is between the 5080 to the 5090.
However, I dont believe AMD can pull this off. I mean, they want 50% GPU market share? Not ever going to happen. They reaching for the stars but arent even grounded in what they doing now. So its a pipe dream.
Intel has better upscaling and ray tracing because they dedicate more of the die space to ML and RT cores like Nvidia does but their drivers are not better than AMDs, sometimes new games don’t even work at all are ARC GPUs and their performance is pretty bad thus far. They can’t match AMD or Nvidia in the midrange and their mobile processors can’t beat AMD’s integrated graphics, either. I think you just have some weird dislike for AMD. You’re criticizing AMD for focusing on low end and midrange, which is exactly what Intel has done with ARC cards, they’ve yet to release anything that can beat a 3060 Ti from 4 years ago. Who knows what Battlemage will be like, supposedly Intel closed down their primary division that was focused on graphics. It’s not even clear at this point if they will release another generation of Arc cards, it’s even less clear how they would perform if they did.
I don’t really care about any of these companies but I don’t want Nvidia to have a monopoly. AMD is in a better position to challenge Nvidia than Intel is, Intel is in trouble because they’re not doing that well on their CPU or GPU side of the business and their foundries are years behind TSMC.
No one else in the market is capable of challenging Nvidia, other than AMD even if they are behind in their upscaling. Intel is worse off now than they were a couple of years ago when they released ARC. I don’t really think it’s fair to say AMD is garbage when products like the PS5, Steam Deck, Rog Ally, and PS5 Pro wouldn’t exist without them. The only thing that really matters is if they are making compelling products and if their business is healthy. They don’t have to be a 1:1 clone of Nvidia for that to be the case.
Well, Intel never tried to compete against AMD or NVIDIA. Thats the thing. They knew how rough it was going to be and this was a 1st gen launch dedicated GPU with no market share. As well as getting the drivers right. Which are steadily improving over time. They only released 2 years ago and this was basically a test launch.
I mean, XeSS is better on non intel cards already. So that says a lot. Of course drivers are lacking but they just released their hardware but have improved greatly. AMD seems to struggle with drivers and their Adrenalin Software is so bloated its ridiculous.
Im not criticizing AMD because I dislike them. Im saying that they shouldnt have given up and thats not a good sign. Yea, they may have been the closest company to be able to compete against NVIDIA, but were still so far behind and are now giving up on that front which is a weak move. Why they dont have the same tenacity against NVIDIA as they do for intel, is beyond me. But I guess they can only focus on one thing to make it good.
So yes, there is work to be done by intel. They didnt come out and say they want this much of the market share as AMD has. Intel knew they had no market share and probably wont for the next couple of generations of GPU until they can get things going to gain ground. However minor it may be or if they can even attract customers.
I have heard they were planning late 2024 but maybe delayed to early 2025, but def not cancelled.
https://wccftech.com/intel-arc-battlemage-with-20-xe2-cores-12-gb-2850-mhz-clock-speed-benchmarked/
Exactly, NVIDIA is so far ahead no one can compete as of now. You cant even include AMD anymore. Thats probably why they have given up on high end. They cant compete that high on either a hardware or software level. Nor can they compete at the low end either. As you can see on Steam, the 3060 and 4060 cards are dominating low budget.
So if AMD thinks they can gain grown there too. They have a ton of work cut out for them. NVIDIA will just adjust price, and or improve performance more for those low to mid tiers. Which they can do and have done. Which is why you see such dominance by them.
There is no dislike for AMD. I just dont like how they are handling their GPU's and what they are releasing. Including their Adrenalin software. Its all over the place and many gamers have issues with their drivers with many games. Especially now that they seem to have admitted defeat.
As for what they are doing now CPU wise against intel is very good. They have stronger performance at such a lower power draw its quite crazy to see the difference. They really are doing better there, but thats also intels fault for thinking their crap didnt stink. Unlike NVIDIA which continually pushed forward to keep dominance. Intel has slipped up and AMD started to get better there.
Honestly though, with what SONY is doing software wise and their proprietary tools/engines for Playstation. It could honestly have been anyone that made their hardware. Its just that AMD was at a more competitive price point and already dealt with APU's. Instead of the console having separate CPU/GPU. So that was also a way to make things cheaper.
Well I shouldnt say anyone. Intel integrated GPU would have been awful. So Yea, makes sense they wouldnt use them for GPU. They arent that strong there but that could change with what they are doing now.
If AMD can do the same for their GPU the way they did with their CPU. Make great mid tier GPU's and slowly get back to high end. Good for them, but if ATI couldnt improve RADEON, and now AMD is having trouble and giving up on the high end editions. Its not a good sign, but well see.
Yea, unless AMD has a say in who gets what. Not sure why this cant be done. Other games have updated quickly from 3 to 3.1. Not sure why ND would update to FSR 3, but not update to 3.1 which is far improved.
Unless its a SONY call being the publisher and not giving ND the OK to make another game update. Who knows.
Too bad you cant just do a DLL swap like you can for DLSS. You have to wait for a game update. Which is sad because if FSR is open source. This shouldnt be a problem. I still blame AMD because its theirs and it has never been that good.
That’s another good thing about 3.1, once a game gets it, it’s future compatible with any future version of FSR 3.2/3.3/etc via a DLL swap, but until a game is updated to support 3.1, future versions can’t just be swapped in. They should have designed it this way from the beginning when they released FSR 3
There are constant changelist updates here, what does it mean for the new update?
The rumor is that AMD had a big Navi die from RDNA 4 that was very complex with lots of chiplets stacked on top of each other and either the design was faulty or it was not viable to be produced at scale and either would have cost too much or their margins would be slim. They want to replicate their chiplet approach on the GPU side but I don’t think it can scale as well yet. I don’t know if you’re familiar with how their CPUs work but they produce 8 core chiplets and use them in all of their processors, even the EPYC server products have them (just many more than their 8/16 core desktop enthusiast processors). It’s a really clever design from a manufacturing point of view but I think their GPUs would be fine if they stayed monolithic considering it doesn’t seem to cause any problems for Nvidia.
My point though is the only reason they are saying that about abandoning the high end is because they don’t have a product that can slot in next to the 5080/5090 for this generation but they very likely will have one next generation. Do you remember RDNA 1/5000 series cards? That generation also lacked a high end card but they still came back with higher end options for RDNA 2 and 3.
They need to get FSR working and change how they engineer Ray Tracing support on a hardware level, if they solve those 2 problems then AMD will be fine in the long run. I don’t know about market share but they don’t even need to worry about that, they just need to make better products and they can get back to 20-30% market share or whatever their highest historical adoption has been (if they can improve ray tracing and improve FSR image quality to a comparable level next to Nvidia).
FSR is dead, especially if its abandoned by console, and if this article says anything. It most likely soon will be. AMD will probably stop working on it and just leave it open source, but whats the point. Its already been beaten by 3 other upscaling techniques. Why do we need so many? I mean, you can polish a turd but why would you?
https://www.techradar.com/gaming/consoles-pc/playstations-new-pssr-ai-upscaling-looks-set-to-compete-with-nvidias-dlss-while-amd-falls-behind-yet-again