High CPU usage building shaders crashes game/PC.

[Zekkah]

I first started the game I heard the fans of my PC start spinning madly and after a few seconds the game crashes. Opened HWMonitor and task manager, then started the game again and CPU temp was reaching 90º and usage was at 100%, just on the menu, then crashes again. What the actual f***? Used Process Lasso to restrict the game to use only half of my CPU's cores and the game stays on for a while this time, but the fans are still spinning fast and loudly. Noticed that the game was building shaders, waited until it finished, then after a few crashes to desktop and system crashes (still ), the CPU finally calmed down. Removed the Process Lasso restriction and tried the game, and it runs flawlessly at ultra and 4K.

What is the meaning of this? If this happens to someone with less computing knowledge, he/she can't even play the game.

PC:
GPU: RX 7800 XT Red Devil
CPU: R7 5800X
RAM: 32GB (8GBx4)
MB: B450 Gaming Plus Max

[Devsman]

They still haven't fixed this?

Just refund. The game doesn't work and it this point it never will.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by Devsman:

They still haven't fixed this?

Just refund. The game doesn't work and it this point it never will.

I can't refund, as I bought it with a key for a lower price and got a huge discount on top of that. But the game is working during gameplay anyway and will work as it should from now on (I hope). The developers just really have to fix this shader building issue.

[Admiral]

This happens in most CPU heavy games when they compile shaders. It's makes your CPU work hard. Your cooling solution is inefficient or you let the CPU roam free without temperature limits or power limits. Or both. Which lead to throttling and crashes.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by Admiral ♥♥♥♥:

This happens in most CPU heavy games when they compile shaders. It's makes your CPU work hard. Your cooling solution is inefficient or you let the CPU roam free without temperature limits or power limits. Or both. Which lead to throttling and crashes.

This never happened with Detroit: Become Human, which is heavy on the CPU and also builds shaders.

[Admiral]

Then Detroit's process is lighter. If you can get your CPU 90c just by compiling shaders then I would not want to know how hot it will run cinebench or prime95.

And btw Detroit was released 6 years ago. It's not as nearly as CPU intense as TLOU.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by Admiral ♥♥♥♥:

Then Detroit's process is lighter. If you can get your CPU 90c just by compiling shaders then I would not want to know how hot it will run cinebench or prime95. :term:

And btw Detroit was released 6 years ago. It's not as nearly as CPU intense as TLOU.

It's lighter because it's optimized and this one isn't at all. You're really comparing this to software designed specifically to push the CPU to it's limits and pretending it's an argument in favor of the game?

I did an experiment with FurMark2's CPU burner by disabling half of the threads with Process Lasso, just like I did for this game, and the CPU didn't run as hot.

It must not help that it's very hot where I live. I could make the fans in the PC run faster, but I don't like the noise. But this hasn't been a problem at all until this game, just to build shaders.

[Admiral]

It is what it is. TLOU will tickle your CPU like hell. It's not in a favor of anything. Just the facts. TLOU may be unoptimized and it WILL run punish your CPU if you don't have adequate cooling solution.

If I were you I'd put up with the noise and make those fans spin as fast as they can under 100% load / over 60-70 degrees of celsius. 90c is really not an optimal CPU temperature.

[papalazarou]

fix your cooling, its not good enough

[ZileZu]

Originally posted by Devsman:

They still haven't fixed this?

Just refund. The game doesn't work and it this point it never will.

that's what i did... I refunded and might try in few years when the game is for sale at 10 €.

No game is worth and so good that you should risk damaging your PC over it.

In other topic i mentioned i had that shader problem also that i launch the game fans etc going nuts while building shaders. After awhile the game either just shuts down without an error or it completely froze my PC that i had to force restart it and even ended up at windows repair cuz of it.

I have i9-14900K, RTX4080 Super, 64GB RAM, 1000W PSU, ProArt LC420 AiO. 2TB SSD and ProArt PA602 case.

Should be more than enough to build shaders without a bigger problem or heating up.

There are supposedly some 13th and 14th gen intels having some voltage problems or something going and Intel is coming out with a microcode update in mid august supposedly but even then this is the ONLY game that completely locks my PC while running everything at 100 %.

ok im kinda losing my point here so i'll just stop. All im saying is i think as customers it's not our job to figure out fixes and stuff. I remember when the game got released and people were complaining about shaders and i was thinking oh it's probably fixed by now let me try with my few months old PC.... NOPE....not gonna kill my PC trying to workaround it.

I already tried the virtual memory fix and it did absolutely nothing. Umm, yea, peace.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by ZileZu:

Originally posted by Devsman:

They still haven't fixed this?

Just refund. The game doesn't work and it this point it never will.

that's what i did... I refunded and might try in few years when the game is for sale at 10 €.

No game is worth and so good that you should risk damaging your PC over it.

In other topic i mentioned i had that shader problem also that i launch the game fans etc going nuts while building shaders. After awhile the game either just shuts down without an error or it completely froze my PC that i had to force restart it and even ended up at windows repair cuz of it.

I have i9-14900K, RTX4080 Super, 64GB RAM, 1000W PSU, ProArt LC420 AiO. 2TB SSD and ProArt PA602 case.

Should be more than enough to build shaders without a bigger problem or heating up.

There are supposedly some 13th and 14th gen intels having some voltage problems or something going and Intel is coming out with a microcode update in mid august supposedly but even then this is the ONLY game that completely locks my PC while running everything at 100 %.

ok im kinda losing my point here so i'll just stop. All im saying is i think as customers it's not our job to figure out fixes and stuff. I remember when the game got released and people were complaining about shaders and i was thinking oh it's probably fixed by now let me try with my few months old PC.... NOPE....not gonna kill my PC trying to workaround it.

I already tried the virtual memory fix and it did absolutely nothing. Umm, yea, peace.

Was there any part of the game in particular that made it crash?

[ZileZu]

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

Originally posted by ZileZu:

that's what i did... I refunded and might try in few years when the game is for sale at 10 €.

No game is worth and so good that you should risk damaging your PC over it.

In other topic i mentioned i had that shader problem also that i launch the game fans etc going nuts while building shaders. After awhile the game either just shuts down without an error or it completely froze my PC that i had to force restart it and even ended up at windows repair cuz of it.

I have i9-14900K, RTX4080 Super, 64GB RAM, 1000W PSU, ProArt LC420 AiO. 2TB SSD and ProArt PA602 case.

Should be more than enough to build shaders without a bigger problem or heating up.

There are supposedly some 13th and 14th gen intels having some voltage problems or something going and Intel is coming out with a microcode update in mid august supposedly but even then this is the ONLY game that completely locks my PC while running everything at 100 %.

ok im kinda losing my point here so i'll just stop. All im saying is i think as customers it's not our job to figure out fixes and stuff. I remember when the game got released and people were complaining about shaders and i was thinking oh it's probably fixed by now let me try with my few months old PC.... NOPE....not gonna kill my PC trying to workaround it.

I already tried the virtual memory fix and it did absolutely nothing. Umm, yea, peace.

Was there any part of the game in particular that made it crash?

I didn't even get to menus other than seeing the press any key. Instantly as th game launched CPU 100% probably GPU 100 % fans 100 % everything just went bonkers and i got to like 50-60 % shaders built but i had to keep restarting the game over and over to always progress like 4 % at a time but then i gave up because i was afraid my PC won't survive that

[Admiral]

Originally posted by ZileZu:

After awhile the game either just shuts down without an error or it completely froze my PC that i had to force restart it and even ended up at windows repair cuz of it.

I have i9-14900K, RTX4080 Super, 64GB RAM, 1000W PSU, ProArt LC420 AiO. 2TB SSD and ProArt PA602 case.

Should be more than enough to build shaders without a bigger problem or heating up.

There are supposedly some 13th and 14th gen intels having some voltage problems or something going and Intel is coming out with a microcode update in mid august supposedly but even then this is the ONLY game that completely locks my PC while running everything at 100 %.

Google "intel 13th 14th issues" or search "intel 13 14" @ Youtube. It's a big and well documented problem now. Intel f u c k e d up pretty bad. It probably is just your CPU crapping out, not the game. Especially if you let the CPU run wild without setting power limits and fine tuning it. Without doing this your CPU might get so degraded in a little while that it won't even run crash free WITH updated microcode and proper bios settings.
You REALLY should look into this.

[Zekkah]

Originally posted by ZileZu:

Originally posted by jose_silveira20:

Was there any part of the game in particular that made it crash?

I didn't even get to menus other than seeing the press any key. Instantly as th game launched CPU 100% probably GPU 100 % fans 100 % everything just went bonkers and i got to like 50-60 % shaders built but i had to keep restarting the game over and over to always progress like 4 % at a time but then i gave up because i was afraid my PC won't survive that

It's exactly what happened to me, and I wouldn't be able to play the game if I didn't use Process Lasso. The developers should have fixed this issue by now, as the problem is clearly with the way the game builds shaders and not any CPU when this one works with everything else except this game in particular.

[Admiral]

Hear me out. It works great on any other intel cpu but 13th and 14th (mainly i7-i9) gen. IF 13th-14th gen intels are not tuned and set up correctly they will behave like this. It's nothing new. This is happening in many games. Just google the damn thing I posted earlier. It's 100% intel's fault. AND there was nvidia drver issue that crashed the game during compiling about ~1-2 months ago. It's been since fixed by nvidia.

I have no clue why jose_silveira needs to use process lasso to get the game running. This is the first time I've heard that someone has problem on AMD as well.

I'm not trying to bash intel. I'm trying to help you out and explain this thing to you.

Known fixes for average joes without any deeper knowledge of the problem, BIOS settings and computers in general etc:

1) Underclock your CPU to 5.1-5.0ghz. This will also decrease the ridiculous voltages (causing overheating and degrading. See Ohm's law)

2) Setting power limits to intel's defaults (253W).

3) Setting CPU current limit to intel's default (i7 307A, i9 370A if I remember correctly).

These steps also help you to degrade your (faulty) CPU slower.
This is important to anyone rocking 13th-14th gen (mainly i7 or i9).

You don't have to believe me. Just google the damn thing. Maybe you believe hundreds of big youtubers and tech publications. Yes, like I said 13-14th gen i7 and -9's degradation and crash problems are kind of a big thing right now.

[ZileZu]

Originally posted by Admiral ♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by ZileZu:

After awhile the game either just shuts down without an error or it completely froze my PC that i had to force restart it and even ended up at windows repair cuz of it.

I have i9-14900K, RTX4080 Super, 64GB RAM, 1000W PSU, ProArt LC420 AiO. 2TB SSD and ProArt PA602 case.

Should be more than enough to build shaders without a bigger problem or heating up.

There are supposedly some 13th and 14th gen intels having some voltage problems or something going and Intel is coming out with a microcode update in mid august supposedly but even then this is the ONLY game that completely locks my PC while running everything at 100 %.

Google "intel 13th 14th issues" or search "intel 13 14" @ Youtube. It's a big and well documented problem now. Intel f u c k e d up pretty bad. It probably is just your CPU crapping out, not the game. Especially if you let the CPU run wild without setting power limits and fine tuning it. Without doing this your CPU might get so degraded in a little while that it won't even run crash free WITH updated microcode and proper bios settings.
You REALLY should look into this.

I bought my PC ( custom parts chose them myself and got the PC built and delivered to me ) in May.

I found out about this intel CPU issue only recently and well... I have been thinking about updating BIOS but i never had to do that before so i was a bit cautious.

But after i read what you said i thought man another one saying the same thing. I also watched jayztwocents ( youtuber ) video where he said we should update BIOS if we want intel CPUs to live.

So yeah i updated my BIOS just now and instantly i saw voltage drop from 1,46 to 1,34ish while in BIOS.

Also not sure but might have affected idle CPU temp by some degrees but who knows.

Anyways i updated my BIOS on TUF GAMING Z790- PLUS WIFI motherboard i have.

From their website "

"1. Updated with microcode 0x125 to ensure eTVB operates within Intel specifications.
Updating this BIOS will simultaneously update the corresponding Intel ME to version 16.1.30.2307v4. Please note after you update this BIOS, the ME version remains the updated one even if you roll back to an older BIOS later.""