TLOU part 2 is a absolutely PATHETIC story (MAJOR SPOILERS)

[Frost]

Biggest killers of the game:

1. Not that Joel dies, but HOW he dies: The writer ignores how he's very aware to avoid trusting anyone else so easily and is never caught off guard. Yet he trusts a large group of armed people he's never seen before, stands in the middle of them all instead of at the edge being wary, even acts like he's clueless with "you sound like you've heard of me - i cannot imagine WHY ANYONE would have heard of me or be looking for me" and dies an idiot death

2. He doesn't say "I just saved your life" or "He came at me with a knife and would not let me take her without coming at me with a knife" or "He was going to kill a child without her knowledge or consent". He says nothing.

3. When you finally get to the moment you were waiting for: the confrontation: Oh wait, go back 10 hours and start over (rather than have both stories progress back and forth like they did initially before Joel died - you know, a climax)

4. You are FORCED to play as Abby and couldn't care about her in the least.

5. You are FORCED to now beat the crap out of ELLIE USING the character you still hate: Abby. It's more fun to just lose and watch Abby die a dozen times, which is more proof this was a pathetic game decision. Let people control Ellie and you "win" by surviving so long to then show the "you lose" cutscene (star wars: survivor does this with your first fight with Bode - you can't win that fight, so you eventually "lose" and it works. They don't make you fight against the main character playing as Bode).

6. You FINALLY get to play as ELLIE against Abby to finish out the game and you can't wait for that final showdown. You've slaughtered hundreds of people. You finally can kill the girl who so brutally and viciously TORTURED Bill before killing him, but instead "Oh, never mind. Violence is not the answer. Even though I've just slaughtered hundreds of people and tortured others to find you, I've decided violence is not the answer. You can go on with your life now - I no longer care that you tortured Bill in a most horrific manner before putting a golf club through his skull while I was watching BEGGING you not to - have a nice life!"

You have to be pretty clueless to write the game this way.

I tried playing the story a second time, and it's just too pathetic as I try to force myself to "enjoy" it.

"no return" is interesting as the game handles combat very well, but how disgusting they let the writer utterly destroy what instead could have been an amazing game/story.

Please get someone else who has a clue to write TLOU part 3. Maybe that will actually be something better than a disgusting trashing of what any mediocre person could have easily made a great story about in TLOU2.

[azogthedefiler25]

^Your point 6 was pretty good pointing out Ellie's fear of being alone coming true.

Druckman and Gross are obviously planning something big with the next game, I just hope it ties everything up.

[HappyDroplets]

I agree about Joel, there is no way that man would agree to go somewhere with people he doesn't know just like that. Dude was the most hardened guy around and new all the tricks. I remember when I first played it, the part where it jumped me back in time as Abby pissed me off pretty bad, to the point I barely wanted to play, only for it to be a 10+ hour segment to boot. The one saving grace was that the combat mechanics had been improved substantially compared to the first game and the environment was created so insanely well.

The ending... just errrrrrrr. I dunno why they think someone would just stop right at that point, especially after cold bloodedly murdering a city of people who knew nothing about her and were mostly innocent of any wrong doing towards Ellie. Yet the main antagonist gets a free pass. Sour ending to say the least. Worst part, had Ellie never gone to find her, she would be dead anyway. So we not only spared her, but saved her also.

[mai72]

Oprindeligt skrevet af HappyDroplets:

I agree about Joel, there is no way that man would agree to go somewhere with people he doesn't know just like that. Dude was the most hardened guy around and new all the tricks. I remember when I first played it, the part where it jumped me back in time as Abby pissed me off pretty bad, to the point I barely wanted to play, only for it to be a 10+ hour segment to boot. The one saving grace was that the combat mechanics had been improved substantially compared to the first game and the environment was created so insanely well.

The ending... just errrrrrrr. I dunno why they think someone would just stop right at that point, especially after cold bloodedly murdering a city of people who knew nothing about her and were mostly innocent of any wrong doing towards Ellie. Yet the main antagonist gets a free pass. Sour ending to say the least. Worst part, had Ellie never gone to find her, she would be dead anyway. So we not only spared her, but saved her also.

Maybe, but don't you think that since Joel was now living a "normal" life that he might had "gone soft" and that in-turn could had been his demise. Think about it. He got soft. If you watch the Ellie flashbacks with her and Joel it looked like to me anyway that his attachment towards Ellie was a bit too much. its why he wouldn't let himself get emotionally attached to anyone in the world that he now lived in, because people dies all the time. It was just too painful. When Joel and Tommy came across Abby they had a very different mindset because life was now "normal" which in the world that they lived in could make you weak.

[HappyDroplets]

Maybe, but don't you think that since Joel was now living a "normal" life that he might had "gone soft" and that in-turn could had been his demise. Think about it. He got soft. If you watch the Ellie flashbacks with her and Joel it looked like to me anyway that his attachment towards Ellie was a bit too much. its why he wouldn't let himself get emotionally attached to anyone in the world that he now lived in, because people dies all the time. It was just too painful. When Joel and Tommy came across Abby they had a very different mindset because life was now "normal" which in the world that they lived in could make you weak.

I mean I thought about that also, but this man had been on both sides of things(setting up traps for innocent people and also surviving and avoiding these same things for DECADES). This man would be battle hardened at the very least, the sort of PTSD he has likely never goes away, so i don't think he would suddenly be relaxed and not hyper aware and careful.

[azogthedefiler25]

^Agreed. It makes no sense that Joel would lose his survival mindset. Everybody in part 2 suddenly became sloppy just so Abby could find a needle in a haystack. The Joel I know would've immediately been suspicious about Abby and why she is by herself in a damn blizzard. In an area she isn't familiar with. And I seriously doubt Joel would be using his real name in front of strangers. This man was extremely private with information about himself in the first game.

[Ice_Tea_Zero]

If TLOU2 was so bad, then why was the game not only GOTY but sold like hot cakes? It's literally one of the most sold playstation games ever. Doesn't looks like that the devs got broke in any way.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ice_Tea_Zero:

If TLOU2 was so bad, then why was the game not only GOTY but sold like hot cakes? It's literally one of the most sold playstation games ever. Doesn't looks like that the devs got broke in any way.

It's hard to prove that game (or film/TV show) is objectively good or bad, that's why these discussions continue to happen. The way someone feels about a story is inherently subjective, two people can play the same game and each one walks away with a very different opinion of the narrative and different perspective on what it means. TLOU has an insane production value with some of the best examples of high quality level design, 3d modeling, animation, cutscenes, etc and most people agree those aspects are high quality.

But the story is the most divisive part of the game and has always had people disagreeing. Even though I think it is, at the end of the day, worth playing, it's also worth listening to other people's opinions. Because there are some rough spots to the story and I didn't even realize some of them until reading threads like this one.

Edit- and it's hard to take GOTY seriously, how is it fair that Hogwarts legacy was completely omitted last year? I'm not saying it's necessarily political, but the game awards does have some gatekeeping going on in terms of which games are allowed to be part of the conversation.

[azogthedefiler25]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ice_Tea_Zero:

If TLOU2 was so bad, then why was the game not only GOTY but sold like hot cakes? It's literally one of the most sold playstation games ever. Doesn't looks like that the devs got broke in any way.

Because not all of the game sucks. And because people wanted to play the game for themselves to see how bad or not so bad it was.

[HappyDroplets]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ice_Tea_Zero:

If TLOU2 was so bad, then why was the game not only GOTY but sold like hot cakes? It's literally one of the most sold playstation games ever. Doesn't looks like that the devs got broke in any way.

I mean I preordered it, so I hardly knew what it was gonna be like. Like most folks it was bought with the goodwill of the first game. I don't regret buying it either, but story wise it had a lot of things I didn't enjoy, which made it at times feel drawn out. Not to mention the story seemed inconsistent with the characters. But gameplay wise TLoU2 was leaps and bounds ahead of the first game.

[groover]

The simplest reason as to why people aren't very fond of Part 2 is that practically every character ends up in a worse place than they started in. It's a very bleak game, and marks a slow descent into hell. The first game definitely didn't shy away from showing just how awful this post-apocalyptic universe was, but its moments of levity and compassion gave all of the drudgery some weight and meaning. You were "given something to fight for", which is the fundamental difference here. The second game has little-to-none of that. It's all fuelled by petulant hatred, making it harder to care about these characters, and the game is just so needlessly sadistic with its depictions of violence. That, combined with the ugly de-saturation filter and the emphasis on the absolute worst parts of the human experience leave you with a game that doesn't really have much of a beating heart.

No ♥♥♥♥ revenge is bad, we're taught that in first grade - I didn't need 20 hours of misery porn to understand that.

[V I D A L]

Not gonna read that.. just here to give you a clown awards. Congratulations. ;)

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Oprindeligt skrevet af groover:

The simplest reason as to why people aren't very fond of Part 2 is that practically every character ends up in a worse place than they started in. It's a very bleak game, and marks a slow descent into hell. The first game definitely didn't shy away from showing just how awful this post-apocalyptic universe was, but its moments of levity and compassion gave all of the drudgery some weight and meaning. You were "given something to fight for", which is the fundamental difference here. The second game has little-to-none of that. It's all fuelled by petulant hatred, making it harder to care about these characters, and the game is just so needlessly sadistic with its depictions of violence. That, combined with the ugly de-saturation filter and the emphasis on the absolute worst parts of the human experience leave you with a game that doesn't really have much of a beating heart.

No ♥♥♥♥ revenge is bad, we're taught that in first grade - I didn't need 20 hours of misery porn to understand that.

This person makes a good point. I think someone once said that it’s a writer’s responsibility not to give in to hopelessness, but to rise above it somehow.

[tallgeese]

too long, didn't read. OP was whining about something?

[GamerGate Valkyrie]

Cuuuuckman destroyed it for good.

[Ifeelsane]

Didnt read lol, tlou2 is an amazing game, can't wait for a PC release