Uplayable on a RTX4090 5800X3D 16GB Ram @4K

[that wasn't "Cash Money" of you]

Just got the game and on the latest 1.0.3 patch Game has crazy stutter and is unplayable. Waited for shaders to fully compile but the frametime graph is jumping up and down constantly and my RAM appears maxed out at all times. DLSS boosts frame rates but doe nothing for the stutter.

I have no clue why performance is soo poor.

Pretty sad, i was looking forward to playing through this but it appears like more work is needed. Uncharted 4 ran like a dream on this PC.

Seems like the devs need to seriously tweak whatever is pushing these crazy RAM usage requirements and i hope they do so we get this resolved and Part 2 comes out.

[AmaiAmai]

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Първоначално публикувано от azogthedefiler25:

Of course you have the same people showing up defending the poor optimization of this game.

exactly my point, people telling people to get this hardware and get that hardware lol its funny I have the best PC currently in market you can buy and I am not even happy with the performance so there is that. Also people expecting a few patches to fix this game, noooo, its a beta release, you all are paid testers, the game needs solid 6-8 months of development

I joked with my brother that it is a debug branch pushed out to market. GBs of Unprocessed assets? Seriously...?

[macatak]

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Първоначално публикувано от azogthedefiler25:

Of course you have the same people showing up defending the poor optimization of this game.

exactly my point, people telling people to get this hardware and get that hardware lol its funny I have the best PC currently in market you can buy and I am not even happy with the performance so there is that. Also people expecting a few patches to fix this game, noooo, its a beta release, you all are paid testers, the game needs solid 6-8 months of development

do you have the EGS version ?

[Blacksmith77K]

Sometimes I'm surprised what PC components are assembled into a RIG.

In addition, it should also be known by now that games in 4K (possibly also raytracing) sometimes require well over 16GB RAM.

Even in 2k with ultra details, the following games also allow more than 16GB RAM

Battlefield V, Hogwarts Legacy, now also The Last of US, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Cyberpunk2077, Spiderman, Returnal and so on...

And now someone who has the fastest GPU on the market is complaining that a game that in the description already recommends 32GB of RAM for 4k ultra is stuttering because it only has half the recommended RAM.

It also has an obvious bottleneck between GPU and CPU.



I'm just amazed, whatever...

[ChickenBalls]

wait for RTX 4090Ti

[that wasn't "Cash Money" of you]

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Of course you have the same people showing up defending the poor optimization of this game. OP, keep us posted. I want to see if getting another 16 gb of ram fixes your "issue."

its not an "issue" its a legit issue, i trully tried to get it to work but even with frames of 90fps+ w/ DLSS it was a stuttery mess. i even tried running it at high and it still stuttered.

Първоначално публикувано от Blacksmith77K:

Sometimes I'm surprised what PC components are assembled into a RIG.

In addition, it should also be known by now that games in 4K (possibly also raytracing) sometimes require well over 16GB RAM.

Even in 2k with ultra details, the following games also allow more than 16GB RAM

Battlefield V, Hogwarts Legacy, now also The Last of US, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Cyberpunk2077, Spiderman, Returnal and so on...

And now someone who has the fastest GPU on the market is complaining that a game that in the description already recommends 32GB of RAM for 4k ultra is stuttering because it only has half the recommended RAM.

It also has an obvious bottleneck between GPU and CPU.



I'm just amazed, whatever...

As stated before, NO games i've played have ever had this issue. i've put hours into pathtraced CP2077 and it runs better. I'm never opposed to increasing my hardware to suit new breakthroughs in game graphics tech, but this game runs smooth on a PS5, my GPU is 5x more powerful then a PS5 GPU.... and my CPU is leagues better, and i have a PCIE4.0 NVME SSD. My PC runs everything else, including flight simulator very well. This game is just coded right

- i Played CP2077, Spiderman and Flight Sim and all ran excellent

[that wasn't "Cash Money" of you]

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Will getting more RAM actually fix the issue? Anyone have a similar CPU with more RAM? cause i saw reports of a guy with a 5950x and 32GB complaining about the same thing.

This is literally the first game to ever max out my RAM, and while it looks great it really doesnt justify it. Look at plague tale requiem, an objectively better looking game runs much better. Unfortunately, i can't find the sticks i used in my original build to add to my system to make 32GB, i'd need to buy a whole new set which is sad for 1 game....

Well you can "simulate" having more RAM buy increasing your page file:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/increase-page-file-size-virtual-memory-windows

You can try setting it to 32GB to simulate having 32GB RAM + 16GB pagefile, but it will "waste" 32 GB of storage space. Also if it's not SSD space the performance penalty may be noticeable. May be, because some HDDs can still do 600 MB R/W speeds...

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But some lag and stuttering may be caused by virtualization in Windows 11, and the patch for that should be rolling out on Tuesday or next Tuesday and increase the performance in some games.

For this game, 16GB is low for 4K because this game is a memory hog and wastes a lot of memory.

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ONE MORE THING TO TAKE NOTE OF:

If you have the game installed in "Program Files" or similar default folder for Steam installation on Windows, you may notice better performance by moving it elsewhere. The game does not handle permissions well; Windows UAC can also be a source of stutter.

ONE MORE THING II:

Windows has a bug right now that causes drivers to randomly revert to the version on Windows Update without any notification. Make sure your GPU driver is up-to-date.

I'll try that when i buy the game again after the next patch drops. Steam allows you to buy and try afew times right? Like i said, i really wanna play this but it's currently unplayable on my rig

[Blacksmith77K]

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My PC runs everything else, including flight simulator very well. This game is just coded right

- i Played CP2077, Spiderman and Flight Sim and all ran excellent

I don't deny that TLOU is still running choppy at the moment. But I can tell you that in 4K your CPU holds back your 4090, as does the 16GB of RAM.

[acowsik]

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I don't deny that TLOU is still running choppy at the moment. But I can tell you that in 4K your CPU holds back your 4090, as does the 16GB of RAM.

RAM def needs to be more... I have 64GB (4 x 16) and an RTX 4090 with a 13900K and game run smooth.. no stutters.. had random crashes with early version of the game with older drivers but after the patches and driver updates, no issues.

I disagree on CPU holding back... a 5800X3D is not a slouch by any means even now. Surely its not like only a 7000 Ryzen or a 12th/13th gen intel is good enough now.

[FeilDOW]

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Първоначално публикувано от Blacksmith77K:

I don't deny that TLOU is still running choppy at the moment. But I can tell you that in 4K your CPU holds back your 4090, as does the 16GB of RAM.

RAM def needs to be more... I have 64GB (4 x 16) and an RTX 4090 with a 13900K and game run smooth.. no stutters.. had random crashes with early version of the game with older drivers but after the patches and driver updates, no issues.

I disagree on CPU holding back... a 5800X3D is not a slouch by any means even now. Surely its not like only a 7000 Ryzen or a 12th/13th gen intel is good enough now.

The IPC of the 5800x3D could very well be holding the 4090 back in this game, It's a CPU intensive game. I would be suprised if 16gb more completely fixes the issue because even with a 13700k I saw some CPU limited places where my GPU would drop some usage because of CPU limited this game is, especially with a 4090.

[episoder]

not enough ram. you got 24 GB of VRAM. how you think this gets filled up? the textures are decompressed in the ram and uploaded. i guess you play on ultra. that needs abit of space. 16 GB is the bottleneck there.

[Blacksmith77K]

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you got 24 GB of VRAM. how you think this gets filled up?

This is what i wrote: "Sometimes I'm surprised what PC components are assembled into a RIG"

But who really cares. I've been assembling PCs since 1992 (i was 15 years in 1992), and if you point out technical problems in the constellation of a RIG, you'll be labeled an idiot.

Basically, you should just let the self-proclaimed experts sit here with their ♥♥♥♥...

[that wasn't "Cash Money" of you]

Първоначално публикувано от episoder:

not enough ram. you got 24 GB of VRAM. how you think this gets filled up? the textures are decompressed in the ram and uploaded. i guess you play on ultra. that needs abit of space. 16 GB is the bottleneck there.

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Първоначално публикувано от episoder:

you got 24 GB of VRAM. how you think this gets filled up?

This is what i wrote: "Sometimes I'm surprised what PC components are assembled into a RIG"

But who really cares. I've been assembling PCs since 1992 (i was 15 years in 1992), and if you point out technical problems in the constellation of a RIG, you'll be labeled an idiot.

Basically, you should just let the self-proclaimed experts sit here with their ♥♥♥♥...

No this can be a teachable moment, so i need more RAM then VRAM? I thought games fill VRAM first?

[episoder]

Първоначално публикувано от Blacksmith77K:

This is what i wrote: "Sometimes I'm surprised what PC components are assembled into a RIG"

But who really cares. I've been assembling PCs since 1992 (i was 15 years in 1992), and if you point out technical problems in the constellation of a RIG, you'll be labeled an idiot.

Basically, you should just let the self-proclaimed experts sit here with their ♥♥♥♥...

exactly. in theory or in general a system should have enough ram to mirror the VRAM. so 24 GB minimum for a 4090. it will not always use this amount of ram cache, but it's in the budget. i have a 6 GB gpu and ~4 GB of shared video memory are allocated to feed the gpu with data. that's the thing.

[Samtaro]

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[acowsik]

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Първоначално публикувано от Blacksmith77K:

This is what i wrote: "Sometimes I'm surprised what PC components are assembled into a RIG"

But who really cares. I've been assembling PCs since 1992 (i was 15 years in 1992), and if you point out technical problems in the constellation of a RIG, you'll be labeled an idiot.

Basically, you should just let the self-proclaimed experts sit here with their ♥♥♥♥...

exactly. in theory or in general a system should have enough ram to mirror the VRAM. so 24 GB minimum for a 4090. it will not always use this amount of ram cache, but it's in the budget. i have a 6 GB gpu and ~4 GB of shared video memory are allocated to feed the gpu with data. that's the thing.

Historically system RAM has always been more than GPU VRAM. So yes... minimum 32GB is a must but 64GB is recommended.