PC gaming is a scam at this point

[slickspidey]

For reference I have a AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, RTX 3070, and 32 Gb of ram. Been gaming on PC for like the last 3-4 years.

I mainly got into pc gaming for a higher fps, and I generally like being snappier with mouse and keyboard, and it's pretty nice finding games for cheaper. However, what's becoming annoying with pc gaming is that like half my time trying to play a game I'm spending adjusting and compromising on settings to get a bit of a higher frame rate. Sometimes, especially with next gen titles, I end up settling for 60-70 fps at 1440p. But what annoys me about all of this is the amount of money I spent on a gaming pc only to have marginal improvements over a PS5. My GPU ALONE was more expensive than a PS5 and I can only play games in 4k at about 30fps (if I'm lucky). Even then it won't be locked to 30fps, it'll likely drop. I don't even bother with 4k with my current setup.

I tried playing elden ring with my current setup and had all kinds of stuttering issues. Now I'm playing TLOU pc after the big patch, and can barely get 60fps, not to mention all the graphical compromises I have to do to get that. Meanwhile the PS5 has unlocked framerate and runs like butter on a 4k monitor/tv. Even with future patches that NG is gonna do for this game I don't think it'll get me anywhere close to the performance I can get with a ps5 hooked up to a nice 4k oled tv.

I should've known pc gaming was a scam by how hard they have to insert themselves into a console war and have to self-promote themselves as a "master". But they say very little of the kind of ridiculous money they have to spend just to be a little better and get comparable performance to a PS5. PC gaming is just a scam, and makers of pc parts know it, that's why they overcharge pc gamers. With that said, I'm tired of the tlou dropping below 60fps @1440p for me on my setup, I think imma just get the ps5 version and chill on the couch in peace.

P.S. if your post contains "I have a 40XX series card..." don't even waste your breath with me lol

[BearPajamaGod!]

Originally posted by k1ska:

Originally posted by BearPajamaGod:

The issue as I've said else where is that use to not be in the same generation there are literally card in generation that are higher priced than they should be with far lower quality unless you use DLSS. Also if you're using DLSS at 1080p you're running the game at 720p that is far worse than modern consoles unless we talk about games like Forspoken.

Who are you to say they are higher price than they should be? DLSS is a great technology that maintains the quality of, say, 1080p with the resource pull of 720p. That doesn't change the fact that games are becoming more graphically intensive than ever before. Without DLSS, I can still run these games at high enough framerates on a 4 year old midrange GPU. Comparing PC gaming with console gaming is silly, anyway. There are many differences in how resource management is handled on PC and console. PCs are capable of a LOT more than consoles and require more resources to handle the overhead while consoles can dedicate far more of the available resources to the game. Even still, TLOU on PS5 doesn't run at 4K naturally, it uses a different rendering method to achieve that resolution and only at 40FPS. How is that different from 4K with DLSS?

A 4070 Ti and 4080 should not be priced at $1k and $1.2K respectively and still not give you the quality of a PS5 title the 30fps mode of Last of Us Part 1 on PS5 runs at 1800p and the 60fps mode runs at 1440p both running with the equivalent of high settings on PC you shouldn't have to drop nearly double the price of the console to achieve things like that. Granted this is just one example where as many many other games run with much better and higher settings on PC but if this is the hardware jump in quality required that'll be needed for the console setting equivalent setting in the future that is unacceptable. As for hardware being priced higher than need be I'll give a few examples the bus size of the 4070 ti at $1k is lower than a 3090 from last gen this hardware gen is purely being sold on locked out features such as DLSS 3 because when you look at examples of 4070 ti/4080 running without DLSS the performance gain is very minimal compared to last series unless you tie in things like DLSS 3. And Nvidia knows this which is why its a lot harder to get a new 3090 series GPU and they are being phased our and sold for far higher on the used market.

[MrPlowjoy]

Originally posted by BearPajamaGod:

Originally posted by k1ska:

Who are you to say they are higher price than they should be? DLSS is a great technology that maintains the quality of, say, 1080p with the resource pull of 720p. That doesn't change the fact that games are becoming more graphically intensive than ever before. Without DLSS, I can still run these games at high enough framerates on a 4 year old midrange GPU. Comparing PC gaming with console gaming is silly, anyway. There are many differences in how resource management is handled on PC and console. PCs are capable of a LOT more than consoles and require more resources to handle the overhead while consoles can dedicate far more of the available resources to the game. Even still, TLOU on PS5 doesn't run at 4K naturally, it uses a different rendering method to achieve that resolution and only at 40FPS. How is that different from 4K with DLSS?

A 4070 Ti and 4080 should not be priced at $1k and $1.2K respectively and still not give you the quality of a PS5 title the 30fps mode of Last of Us Part 1 on PS5 runs at 1800p and the 60fps mode runs at 1440p both running with the equivalent of high settings on PC you shouldn't have to drop nearly double the price of the console to achieve things like that. Granted this is just one example where as many many other games run with much better and higher settings on PC but if this is the hardware jump in quality required that'll be needed for the console setting equivalent setting in the future that is unacceptable. As for hardware being priced higher than need be I'll give a few examples the bus size of the 4070 ti at $1k is lower than a 3090 from last gen this hardware gen is purely being sold on locked out features such as DLSS 3 because when you look at examples of 4070 ti/4080 running without DLSS the performance gain is very minimal compared to last series unless you tie in things like DLSS 3.

You need to stop.

Hardware is only ever going to be as good as the code that's written to run on it.

There are tons of exceptional examples of that, on PC. Spiderman for one. God Of War for two. With the right developers, the results can easily be achieved. With the wrong developers, you have The Last Of Us.

That's all there is to it. I'm gaming mostly at 4K/DLSS/Ultra/Ray Tracing/HDR/120fps. Many, many examples of games that run amazingly like that. I've just started Resident Evil 2, 3 is next then I'll get 4. I'll probably then do Village.

By that time, TLoU might be patched up and I'll grab that.

[DJMixer]

Common sense: The next time don't buy a console ported game until you've done the due diligence and verify on Youtube that it runs well with your rig. Search for the "name of the game + your GPU + PC gameplay" to see the fps average for yourself before throwing money away.

If more people can vote with their wallet this way, instead of biting into the hype, that should teach future developers a lesson to think twice before releasing a crappy, unfinished product.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by MrPlowjoy:

Originally posted by BearPajamaGod:

I've seen the patch notes it doesn't mean it improved anything. In fact the thing that improved the most was the Nvidia hotfix drivers far more than any of the 4 patches released thus far.

If your definition of "improvements" doesn't include fixes for several crashes, improved texture streaming and active loading to reduce load times on area progression, then you need to take some time to understand the definition of "improvement".

Sorry that they aren't working fast enough for you, perhaps if they didn't see their families for evenings and weekends, that would make you feel better?

The game was a mess at release, it still has some way to go and get close to the money they're asking for it but stop the hyperbole of "there aren't any improvements being made", because you're factually wrong.

yeah the thing they dont understand is the PS3,PS4 and PS5 has/had its share of problems
as well.that it runs a game initially better than another platform it was not
initially made for is of no surprise.their porting will improve in time as we get the PS
library to come to pc (which PS fans hate by the way) we all waited years for this to
happen so if i personally have to wait a month to run at peak performance and graphs
so be it.am i happy about that no i prefer they be fully ready out of the box.but i
will gladly wait so i can play on my preferred platform.we literally have 10's of thousands
of games on pc to choose from use that power if this ones not up to snuff for you yet.

[Brutal]

Originally posted by Chris J:

Originally posted by k1ska:

It's not really a scam though. It's bad developers pushing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ports. You get a decent port team to push a game on PC and it runs phenomenally. Hell, my 2070S runs both Spiderman games with RT enabled at 100FPS+ (with DLSS of course) at 1080, in the 70s at 1440p. This game isn't more graphically demanding, it's just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ port team who don't care about gamers' experience.

Stop calling it a scam, though. As time passes, hardware requirements continue to go up. That's just how it goes in the gaming industry. Just because your hardware can't max everything out at the highest resolution doesn't make it a scam by hardware manufacturers.

its a scam either way selling you a PS4/PS5 game on Steam for $60 (That doesnt work) is also a Scam

Doesn’t this game “run perfect for you?” I thought you owned it?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1888930/discussions/0/3827537848345403716/?tscn=1680995948

Might want to delete that thread, your bad trolling seems to lead to a little return for a lot of effort towards getting clown awards ;)

[BearPajamaGod!]

Originally posted by MrPlowjoy:

Originally posted by BearPajamaGod:

A 4070 Ti and 4080 should not be priced at $1k and $1.2K respectively and still not give you the quality of a PS5 title the 30fps mode of Last of Us Part 1 on PS5 runs at 1800p and the 60fps mode runs at 1440p both running with the equivalent of high settings on PC you shouldn't have to drop nearly double the price of the console to achieve things like that. Granted this is just one example where as many many other games run with much better and higher settings on PC but if this is the hardware jump in quality required that'll be needed for the console setting equivalent setting in the future that is unacceptable. As for hardware being priced higher than need be I'll give a few examples the bus size of the 4070 ti at $1k is lower than a 3090 from last gen this hardware gen is purely being sold on locked out features such as DLSS 3 because when you look at examples of 4070 ti/4080 running without DLSS the performance gain is very minimal compared to last series unless you tie in things like DLSS 3.

You need to stop.

Hardware is only ever going to be as good as the code that's written to run on it.

There are tons of exceptional examples of that, on PC. Spiderman for one. God Of War for two. With the right developers, the results can easily be achieved. With the wrong developers, you have The Last Of Us.

That's all there is to it. I'm gaming mostly at 4K/DLSS/Ultra/Ray Tracing/HDR/120fps. Many, many examples of games that run amazingly like that. I've just started Resident Evil 2, 3 is next then I'll get 4. I'll probably then do Village.

By that time, TLoU might be patched up and I'll grab that.

I don't need to stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ports need to stop. And poor pricing needs to stop literally everyone has notice the minimal jump in performance with the current 40 series cards unless you buy at the top top top end which is grossly overpriced. Keep being a coomsumer though if you'd like and just eating up ♥♥♥♥ and asking for seconds.

[MrPlowjoy]

Originally posted by Brutal:

Originally posted by Chris J:

its a scam either way selling you a PS4/PS5 game on Steam for $60 (That doesnt work) is also a Scam

Doesn’t this game “run perfect for you?” I thought you owned it?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1888930/discussions/0/3827537848345403716/?tscn=1680995948

Might want to delete that thread, your bad trolling seems to lead to a little return for a lot of effort towards getting clown awards ;)

Oh wow, so Chris J *DOES* own TLoU on PC! But wait, why doesn't it show on his Steam profile then?

;)

[MrPlowjoy]

Originally posted by BearPajamaGod:

Originally posted by MrPlowjoy:

You need to stop.

Hardware is only ever going to be as good as the code that's written to run on it.

There are tons of exceptional examples of that, on PC. Spiderman for one. God Of War for two. With the right developers, the results can easily be achieved. With the wrong developers, you have The Last Of Us.

That's all there is to it. I'm gaming mostly at 4K/DLSS/Ultra/Ray Tracing/HDR/120fps. Many, many examples of games that run amazingly like that. I've just started Resident Evil 2, 3 is next then I'll get 4. I'll probably then do Village.

By that time, TLoU might be patched up and I'll grab that.

I don't need to stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ports need to stop. And poor pricing needs to stop literally everyone has notice the minimal jump in performance with the current 40 series cards unless you buy at the top top top end which is grossly overpriced. Keep being a coomsumer though if you'd like and just eating up ♥♥♥♥ and asking for seconds.

Yes, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ports do need to stop, but bad ports aren't the fault of the platform or the hardware. They're the fault of the developer.

[Jacob Locke]

Originally posted by DJMixer:

Common sense: The next time don't buy a console ported game until you've done the due diligence and verify on Youtube that it runs well with your rig. Search for the "name of the game + your GPU + PC gameplay" to see the fps average for yourself before throwing money away.

If more people can vote with their wallet this way, instead of biting into the hype, that should teach future developers a lesson to think twice before releasing a crappy, unfinished product.

Wish there was just a thumbs up to show agreement with posts like this.

[BearPajamaGod!]

Originally posted by Chris J:

Originally posted by MrPlowjoy:

Well, except for Spiderman, Miles, God Of War, Horizon, Resident Evil 4 and the soon to arrive Forbidden West and Ragnarok. All of which make the PS versions look like they're running on a Nokia 5210.

;)

you will be waiting few years for those games your probably gonna need to upgrade to NGreedia 5000 Series to run it. Dont be surprised if they are bad ports aswell loi

Actually the PC version of Forbidden West is supposed to be this year or early next not sure about Ragnarok though.

[Chris J]

Originally posted by Jacob Locke:

Originally posted by DJMixer:

Common sense: The next time don't buy a console ported game until you've done the due diligence and verify on Youtube that it runs well with your rig. Search for the "name of the game + your GPU + PC gameplay" to see the fps average for yourself before throwing money away.

If more people can vote with their wallet this way, instead of biting into the hype, that should teach future developers a lesson to think twice before releasing a crappy, unfinished product.

Wish there was just a thumbs up to show agreement with posts like this.

You have to go through Steam Microtransactions to give people awards lol

[Jacob Locke]

Originally posted by MrPlowjoy:

Originally posted by Chris J:

its why console always wins and PC bad. Enjoy your broken leftovers PC nerds lmao

Well, except for Spiderman, Miles, God Of War, Horizon, Resident Evil 4 and the soon to arrive Forbidden West and Ragnarok. All of which make the PS versions look like they're running on a Nokia 5210.

;)

No offense to all the Nokia 5210 owners out there.

[MrPlowjoy]

Originally posted by Chris J:

Originally posted by MrPlowjoy:

Well, except for Spiderman, Miles, God Of War, Horizon, Resident Evil 4 and the soon to arrive Forbidden West and Ragnarok. All of which make the PS versions look like they're running on a Nokia 5210.

;)

you will be waiting few years for those games your probably gonna need to upgrade to NGreedia 5000 Series to run it. Dont be surprised if they are bad ports aswell loi

Is that along with those bad port, sorry, exceptional port examples I listed?

;)

BTW, Sony are on the PC train now. Choo choo!! No such thing as platform exclusives any more, just timed. Ragnarok and Forbidden will arrive pretty soon I'd say, so get those tear ducts ready for more reasons why there's no reason to own a console for exclusives anymore.

:D

[Chris J]

Originally posted by BearPajamaGod:

Originally posted by Chris J:

you will be waiting few years for those games your probably gonna need to upgrade to NGreedia 5000 Series to run it. Dont be surprised if they are bad ports aswell loi

Actually the PC version of Forbidden West is supposed to be this year or early next not sure about Ragnarok though.

Ohh i see well thats great for sony then but im sure the PS5 will remain the best version of the game.

[BearPajamaGod!]

Originally posted by Chris J:

Originally posted by Jacob Locke:

Wish there was just a thumbs up to show agreement with posts like this.

You have to go through Steam Microtransactions to give people awards lol

I did it for them already I have so many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ points from buy a Steam Deck.