PC gaming is a scam at this point

[slickspidey]

For reference I have a AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, RTX 3070, and 32 Gb of ram. Been gaming on PC for like the last 3-4 years.

I mainly got into pc gaming for a higher fps, and I generally like being snappier with mouse and keyboard, and it's pretty nice finding games for cheaper. However, what's becoming annoying with pc gaming is that like half my time trying to play a game I'm spending adjusting and compromising on settings to get a bit of a higher frame rate. Sometimes, especially with next gen titles, I end up settling for 60-70 fps at 1440p. But what annoys me about all of this is the amount of money I spent on a gaming pc only to have marginal improvements over a PS5. My GPU ALONE was more expensive than a PS5 and I can only play games in 4k at about 30fps (if I'm lucky). Even then it won't be locked to 30fps, it'll likely drop. I don't even bother with 4k with my current setup.

I tried playing elden ring with my current setup and had all kinds of stuttering issues. Now I'm playing TLOU pc after the big patch, and can barely get 60fps, not to mention all the graphical compromises I have to do to get that. Meanwhile the PS5 has unlocked framerate and runs like butter on a 4k monitor/tv. Even with future patches that NG is gonna do for this game I don't think it'll get me anywhere close to the performance I can get with a ps5 hooked up to a nice 4k oled tv.

I should've known pc gaming was a scam by how hard they have to insert themselves into a console war and have to self-promote themselves as a "master". But they say very little of the kind of ridiculous money they have to spend just to be a little better and get comparable performance to a PS5. PC gaming is just a scam, and makers of pc parts know it, that's why they overcharge pc gamers. With that said, I'm tired of the tlou dropping below 60fps @1440p for me on my setup, I think imma just get the ps5 version and chill on the couch in peace.

P.S. if your post contains "I have a 40XX series card..." don't even waste your breath with me lol

[SHREDDER]

iAM PC GAMER SICNEE 1996 when i was 9 years old. i play all games at max graphic with better graphics than consoles. the only scum is consoles not pc. with a powerful pc you do 1000 things anyway not just games. and all games run and have better graphics than consoles! DEATH TO CONSOLES.
But this game has very big loading times. while i run it maxed 1440p 60 fps like i do ain all games, it loads evry few minutes which is a big problem. That why i stopped playing after 1 hour and wait for it to be fixed. what this new patch does.
MY MONSTERP C
RYZEN 7 1700
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
All other games(inluding ';'next gen''' like destroy all humans 2, dead space, ghost wire tokyo and hogwards legacy) run maxed 1440p 60 fps with zero loading times(my pc run all games at max graphics 1440p 60 fps). only this game has this huge loading times which means thep rolbem is the game and not my pc.

[BaHaMuT]

Escrito originalmente por SHREDDER:

iAM PC GAMER SICNEE 1996 when i was 9 years old. i play all games at max graphic with better graphics than consoles. the only scum is consoles not pc. with a powerful pc you do 1000 things anyway not just games. and all games run and have better graphics than consoles! DEATH TO CONSOLES.
But this game has very big loading times. while i run it maxed 1440p 60 fps like i do ain all games, it loads evry few minutes which is a big problem. That why i stopped playing after 1 hour and wait for it to be fixed. what this new patch does.
MY MONSTERP C
RYZEN 7 1700
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
All other games(inluding ';'next gen''' like destroy all humans 2, dead space, ghost wire tokyo and hogwards legacy) run maxed 1440p 60 fps with zero loading times(my pc run all games at max graphics 1440p 60 fps). only this game has this huge loading times which means thep rolbem is the game and not my pc.

I agree with you, console gaming is a scam

[Dr. Peppermill]

Escrito originalmente por SHREDDER:

iAM PC GAMER SICNEE 1996 when i was 9 years old. i play all games at max graphic with better graphics than consoles. the only scum is consoles not pc. with a powerful pc you do 1000 things anyway not just games. and all games run and have better graphics than consoles! DEATH TO CONSOLES.
But this game has very big loading times. while i run it maxed 1440p 60 fps like i do ain all games, it loads evry few minutes which is a big problem. That why i stopped playing after 1 hour and wait for it to be fixed. what this new patch does.
MY MONSTERP C
RYZEN 7 1700
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
All other games(inluding ';'next gen''' like destroy all humans 2, dead space, ghost wire tokyo and hogwards legacy) run maxed 1440p 60 fps with zero loading times(my pc run all games at max graphics 1440p 60 fps). only this game has this huge loading times which means thep rolbem is the game and not my pc.

You call your system "powerful pc" ?

Dead Space had traversal stutters on my Ryzen 5900X / RTX 4090 / NVMe Gen 4. / 64 GB RAM, but it was running great on your system, right ? LOL

Hogwarts Legacy ray tracing implementation is a dog sh1t, completely broken and unrealistic but I'm happy I paid $2.5K for 4090 to be able to run this crap.

Yes, PC gaming is a scam if $5K+ systems experience stutter or crashes.

[DohkoLibra]

Nowadays they want you to buy a computer with a 4080 worth at least $2300, to match a 3 year old console worth $400.

[Sholomar]

Escrito originalmente por Syad:

Nvidia releasing a 3070ti in October 2022 for $600 and attempting to release a Geforce "4080" (12 GB) for $900 is definitely not a user problem. I'd rather call it an opportunity for AMD, but AMD is incompetent so.. tough choices.

Escrito originalmente por DohkoLibra:

Nowadays they want you to buy a computer with a 4080 worth at least $2300, to match a 3 year old console worth $400.

You simply need a 12GB card in which only one reasonably priced one qualifies, the 6700XT. There is also the Arc A770 with 16GB of VRAM. These consoles are not the best at raster.. they just have good levels of integrated GDDR6 VRAM which is Nvidia's GPU weakness due to planned obsolescence.

A basic build like this one will surpass a console, assuming you choose the correct GPU. (Don't get the 6600XT)

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/qFLrxr/entry-level-intel-gaming-build

But yes, the PS5 offers a lot of value for the money, and it's refresh due next year will likely provide even more. Most low end PC gamers would be well suited with a PS5.

Even better if you have a microcenter nearby, get one of their dirt cheap CPU/Motherboard/RAM bundles they are offering and build a system up from that. Just keep in mind graphics cards worth using on such a build will cost more than a PS5... you'll be paying over $1000 total.

[k1ska]

Escrito originalmente por Sholomar:

Escrito originalmente por Syad:

Nvidia releasing a 3070ti in October 2022 for $600 and attempting to release a Geforce "4080" (12 GB) for $900 is definitely not a user problem. I'd rather call it an opportunity for AMD, but AMD is incompetent so.. tough choices.

Escrito originalmente por DohkoLibra:

Nowadays they want you to buy a computer with a 4080 worth at least $2300, to match a 3 year old console worth $400.

You simply need a 12GB card in which only one reasonably priced one qualifies, the 6700XT. There is also the Arc A770 with 16GB of VRAM. These consoles are not the best at raster.. they just have good levels of integrated GDDR6 VRAM which is Nvidia's GPU weakness due to planned obsolescence.

A basic build like this one will surpass a console, assuming you choose the correct GPU. (Don't get the 6600XT)

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/qFLrxr/entry-level-intel-gaming-build

But yes, the PS5 offers a lot of value for the money, and it's refresh due next year will likely provide even more. Most low end PC gamers would be well suited with a PS5.

Even better if you have a microcenter nearby, get one of their dirt cheap CPU/Motherboard/RAM bundles they are offering and build a system up from that. Just keep in mind graphics cards worth using on such a build will cost more than a PS5... you'll be paying over $1000 total.

I can't wait for Intel to improve on the Arc GPU drivers because they'd be one hell of a kick in the ass to AMD and Nvidia. Doesn't the A770 actually run RT games pretty damn well?

[Syad]

Escrito originalmente por k1ska:

I can't wait for Intel to improve on the Arc GPU drivers because they'd be one hell of a kick in the ass to AMD and Nvidia. Doesn't the A770 actually run RT games pretty damn well?

The prospects aren't very good. The latest in RT is Path Tracing, and the almost current stand of things is

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/portal-with-rtx/3.html
Portal RTX, 1440p no dlss (= 4k with dlss)

4090 56fps
3080 22fps
2080ti 9fps
6900xt 2fps
the 7900 xtx is around 10-20fps according to the internet
intel doesn't even start

This is how it will look like in Cyberpunk 2077, the Remaster Remaster edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk7Zbzd-6fs

Not to mention nvidia has DLSS 3.0 with their fake frames. Not looking very promising for consumer friendly nvidia prices. But at least AMD now has moar ram, remains to be seen if they capitalize on that... hopefully.

[k1ska]

Escrito originalmente por Syad:

Escrito originalmente por k1ska:

I can't wait for Intel to improve on the Arc GPU drivers because they'd be one hell of a kick in the ass to AMD and Nvidia. Doesn't the A770 actually run RT games pretty damn well?

The prospects aren't very good. The latest in RT is Path Tracing, and the almost current stand of things is

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/portal-with-rtx/3.html
Portal RTX, 1440p no dlss (= 4k with dlss)

4090 56fps
3080 22fps
2080ti 9fps
6900xt 2fps
the 7900 xtx is around 10-20fps according to the internet
intel doesn't even start

This is how it will look like in Cyberpunk 2077, the Remaster Remaster edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk7Zbzd-6fs

Not to mention nvidia has DLSS 3.0 with their fake frames. Not looking very promising for consumer friendly nvidia prices. But at least AMD now has moar ram, remains to be seen if they capitalize on that... hopefully.

If they go all in on RT and drivers, Intel could dominate the space especially if they offer budget pricing.

AMD could hold the crown right now if they would focus on RT improvement and improve FSR.

Nvidia REALLY needs to put more RAM on their cards. I really don't understand the 8GB and 12GB cards when games are getting far more graphically intense than when the 20XX series came out. Hell, my 2070S still runs decently and I'm refusing to upgrade until a good card with great RT performance comes out at a budget friendly price. If intel could put out a A790 card with comparable performance to the 4070Ti I would snatch it up so fast tbh.

[TheInfamous]

Escrito originalmente por Marty McFly:

Escrito originalmente por RichtigKlasse:

You have been fooled by corporate marketing and your own cluelessness.
Buying something subjectively pricey does not guarantee satisfactory results.
You made the decision to obtain a graphicscard with 8GB VRAM in the year 2022, which was a blatant mistake on your side. There is nobody else to blame, as it is solely you, who is responsible for your actions.

The fact that you paid 700 EUR for obsolete hardware just makes you look even more like a fool, especially in the context of this whiney thread.

A blatant mistake is to say that he made a mistake buying a graphics card with 8GB of VRAM, just because of a game sponsored by AMD that is paying developers to not optimize VRAM usage in order to favor AMD and give the wrong impression that Nvidia was wrong about the amount of VRAM on their graphics cards. This is happening in most of the AMD-sponsored game releases such as Resident Evil 4 Remake, The Callisto Protocol, and Forspoken, all with unjustifiable excessive VRAM usage considering they have the same graphical quality that we have been seeing in games since 2018.

Nice conspiracy theory.

[Marty McFly]

Escrito originalmente por TheInfamous:

Escrito originalmente por Marty McFly:

A blatant mistake is to say that he made a mistake buying a graphics card with 8GB of VRAM, just because of a game sponsored by AMD that is paying developers to not optimize VRAM usage in order to favor AMD and give the wrong impression that Nvidia was wrong about the amount of VRAM on their graphics cards. This is happening in most of the AMD-sponsored game releases such as Resident Evil 4 Remake, The Callisto Protocol, and Forspoken, all with unjustifiable excessive VRAM usage considering they have the same graphical quality that we have been seeing in games since 2018.

Nice conspiracy theory.

Several hardware YouTubers are talking about this, and there is no conspiracy when a game with graphics and textures similar to games released in 2018 uses VRAM abnormally, and one of the "weak" points of its main competitor is having less VRAM in their best-selling cards. I'm not here to defend Nvidia because they were the ones who started these predatory strategies with PhysX, Gameworks, and other proprietary technologies in the past.

[MrPlowjoy]

Escrito originalmente por Dr. Peppermill:

Escrito originalmente por SHREDDER:

iAM PC GAMER SICNEE 1996 when i was 9 years old. i play all games at max graphic with better graphics than consoles. the only scum is consoles not pc. with a powerful pc you do 1000 things anyway not just games. and all games run and have better graphics than consoles! DEATH TO CONSOLES.
But this game has very big loading times. while i run it maxed 1440p 60 fps like i do ain all games, it loads evry few minutes which is a big problem. That why i stopped playing after 1 hour and wait for it to be fixed. what this new patch does.
MY MONSTERP C
RYZEN 7 1700
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
All other games(inluding ';'next gen''' like destroy all humans 2, dead space, ghost wire tokyo and hogwards legacy) run maxed 1440p 60 fps with zero loading times(my pc run all games at max graphics 1440p 60 fps). only this game has this huge loading times which means thep rolbem is the game and not my pc.

You call your system "powerful pc" ?

Dead Space had traversal stutters on my Ryzen 5900X / RTX 4090 / NVMe Gen 4. / 64 GB RAM, but it was running great on your system, right ? LOL

Hogwarts Legacy ray tracing implementation is a dog sh1t, completely broken and unrealistic but I'm happy I paid $2.5K for 4090 to be able to run this crap.

Yes, PC gaming is a scam if $5K+ systems experience stutter or crashes.

The platform (PC) has zero to do with the quality of the code (the game).

There are many Sony ports alone that are exceptional on PC. Spiderman, Miles Morales, Horizon, God Of War, Returnal, Death Stranding. Soon to come, Ragnarok, Forbidden West.

Just because some developers release ♥♥♥♥ code doesn't mean the platform bears the brunt. The developer bears the brunt. Obviously.

[BaHaMuT]

Hardware and PC as a platform are not to blame for mediocre developers and money-hungry enterprises like Sony

[Vox Maximus]

Escrito originalmente por MrPlowjoy:

Escrito originalmente por Dr. Peppermill:

You call your system "powerful pc" ?

Dead Space had traversal stutters on my Ryzen 5900X / RTX 4090 / NVMe Gen 4. / 64 GB RAM, but it was running great on your system, right ? LOL

Hogwarts Legacy ray tracing implementation is a dog sh1t, completely broken and unrealistic but I'm happy I paid $2.5K for 4090 to be able to run this crap.

Yes, PC gaming is a scam if $5K+ systems experience stutter or crashes.

The platform (PC) has zero to do with the quality of the code (the game).

There are many Sony ports alone that are exceptional on PC. Spiderman, Miles Morales, Horizon, God Of War, Returnal, Death Stranding. Soon to come, Ragnarok, Forbidden West.

Just because some developers release ♥♥♥♥ code doesn't mean the platform bears the brunt. The developer bears the brunt. Obviously.

Ragnarok? Forbidden West? They are not on PC.

[MrPlowjoy]

Escrito originalmente por MaxL:

Escrito originalmente por MrPlowjoy:

The platform (PC) has zero to do with the quality of the code (the game).

There are many Sony ports alone that are exceptional on PC. Spiderman, Miles Morales, Horizon, God Of War, Returnal, Death Stranding. Soon to come, Ragnarok, Forbidden West.

Just because some developers release ♥♥♥♥ code doesn't mean the platform bears the brunt. The developer bears the brunt. Obviously.

Ragnarok? Forbidden West? They are not on PC.

Not yet, that's why I said soon to come.

[Vox Maximus]

Escrito originalmente por MrPlowjoy:

Escrito originalmente por MaxL:

Ragnarok? Forbidden West? They are not on PC.

Not yet, that's why I said soon to come.

Weren't even announced yet...