Digital Foundry vs Hardware Unboxed

[Razin_Shah]

Hardware Unboxed: "game runs buttery smooth as long as you have enough vram"

Digital Foundry: "the port has serious issues with cpu performance and memory management "

Which side are you on and more important which of the two is correct in their assessment?

[kgkong]

Originally posted by KillingArts:

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

HUB didn’t crap on nvidia cards per se. Just said that 8GB is not enough and nvidia gives not enough since 2000 series cards. MANY content creators said that before.

Best performing card is still nvidia’s one with enough vram.

NVidias cards clearly should have more VRAM, no doubt. But that doesn't excuse what TLOU is able to deliver (which is sadly very little) in limited VRAM scenarios.

Also doesn't mean we shouldn't rip on nVidia for intentionally nerfing the GPUs.
They released the 3060 with 12GB and then very quickly didn't like that and started planning 8GB releases. It was bad business practice on nVidia's part and folks should hold nVidia accountable (and likely boycott them until they start making consumer friendly products again).

[episoder]

Originally posted by KwizatZ:

The game stutters like crazy when you move the camera (gamepad also), even at 80 or 130 or fixed 60 fps :
latest patch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBwCh5Wiec

prev patch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_58y-ka3U

This is just unplayable garbage, period

looks fine to me. frame by frame it moves the background. i think you're just a damn spoiled pc gamer. all 240Hz rendering? can't deal with lower framerates, anymore? you will not get them with this game.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by episoder:

Originally posted by KwizatZ:

The game stutters like crazy when you move the camera (gamepad also), even at 80 or 130 or fixed 60 fps :
latest patch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBwCh5Wiec

prev patch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_58y-ka3U

This is just unplayable garbage, period

looks fine to me. frame by frame it moves the background. i think you're just a damn spoiled pc gamer. all 240Hz rendering? can't deal with lower framerates, anymore? you will not get them with this game.

Yea that mouse jitter in those vids are pretty nomimal. It's smoother than what it was like for me before 1.0.1.7 hotfix.
It's still there mind you. But it's something the devs know is a problem and should hopefully be fixed for 1.0.2 coming Friday.

[KillingArts]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by KillingArts:

NVidias cards clearly should have more VRAM, no doubt. But that doesn't excuse what TLOU is able to deliver (which is sadly very little) in limited VRAM scenarios.

Also doesn't mean we shouldn't rip on nVidia for intentionally nerfing the GPUs.
They released the 3060 with 12GB and then very quickly didn't like that and started planning 8GB releases. It was bad business practice on nVidia's part and folks should hold nVidia accountable (and likely boycott them until they start making consumer friendly products again).

Sure, you can criticize them all you want. That's fine. But not if you use it as an excuse for this game. There is simply no merrit to such an argument. The game is _unusually_ VRAM hungry and delivers horrible visuals on many mid-range GPUs with 8GB. The solution for that is not to buy a card with more VRAM. The solution is to properly optimize the game for the target platform, which is what they should have done before release. And the whole VRAM thing is obviously only one of many issues the game has.

[The doctor is in]

game runs, plays, looks, sounds amazing if you have the hardware for it and if you set your settings appropriate to the hardware that you have...

[C1REX]

Originally posted by KillingArts:

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

HUB didn’t crap on nvidia cards per se. Just said that 8GB is not enough and nvidia gives not enough since 2000 series cards. MANY content creators said that before.

Best performing card is still nvidia’s one with enough vram.

NVidias cards clearly should have more VRAM, no doubt. But that doesn't excuse what TLOU is able to deliver (which is sadly very little) in limited VRAM scenarios.

But they didn’t say they will deliver anything else. It’s mostly a benchmark channels showing fps graphs.
They do GPU benchmarks with top tier CPU and CPU benchmarks with top tier GPU at 1080p. Same as Gamers Nexus. That’s it. Dry, boring numbers.

[Jacob Locke]

Originally posted by CJM:

He benchmarked cards using ONE game, that is not how benchmarks are done.

It's a benchmark for the game, not a graphics card comparison benchmark. LOL

I can't believe you actually said that.

[KillingArts]

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Originally posted by KillingArts:

NVidias cards clearly should have more VRAM, no doubt. But that doesn't excuse what TLOU is able to deliver (which is sadly very little) in limited VRAM scenarios.

But they didn’t say they will deliver anything else. It’s mostly a benchmark channels showing fps graphs.
They do GPU benchmarks with top tier CPU and CPU benchmarks with top tier GPU at 1080p. Same as Gamers Nexus. That’s it. Dry, boring numbers.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you want to tell me. Who did't say they will deliver anything else? Naughty Dog?

[kgkong]

Originally posted by KillingArts:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Also doesn't mean we shouldn't rip on nVidia for intentionally nerfing the GPUs.
They released the 3060 with 12GB and then very quickly didn't like that and started planning 8GB releases. It was bad business practice on nVidia's part and folks should hold nVidia accountable (and likely boycott them until they start making consumer friendly products again).

Sure, you can criticize them all you want. That's fine. But not if you use it as an excuse for this game. There is simply no merrit to such an argument. The game is _unusually_ VRAM hungry and delivers horrible visuals on many mid-range GPUs with 8GB. The solution for that is not to buy a card with more VRAM. The solution is to properly optimize the game for the target platform, which is what they should have done before release. And the whole VRAM thing is obviously only one of many issues the game has.

We shouldn't also use the state of the game as an excuse to defend nVidia either for the anti-consumer practices. nVidia has been up to some greasy stuff for years, Folks have been calling them out on it for awhile too, but consumers themselves keep running to nVidia for products left right and center.

nVidia has dropped the ball pretty hard. Right now, there's more driver issues with nVidia products than AMD. Generally speaking, AMD tends to have more serious issues (requires driver reinstalls or system restarts as a solution). But nVidia is also getting slower and slower at fixing problems. Ongoing known issues continue to remain for several driver versions longer than AMD. Now I'm not trying to upsell AMD here, but I'm just pointing out how complacent nVidia is getting. They don't care about low end, they're selling gimped GPUs at middle tier in the 30 series (low vRAM). They're nerfing vRAM in the 40 series. They're over charging. They're claiming Moore's Law is Dead despite the fact that every other company in the tech industry understands that Moore's Law is not dead.

Yet people have no problem complaining about nVidia but won't do anything about it, cause they seem to keep going back and buying nVidia. The 40 series should be the nail in the coffin to wake most people up. Comparing generational upgrades, going from the 3060 to a 4060 is going to be a loss in hardware, but hey don't worry, you can get all these fancy AI features that do not give you a native game experience.

[CJM]

Originally posted by Jacob Locke:

Originally posted by CJM:

He benchmarked cards using ONE game, that is not how benchmarks are done.

It's a benchmark for the game, not a graphics card comparison benchmark. LOL

I can't believe you actually said that.

A benchmark for the game includes lower end CPUs, and the Steam Deck is an important benchmark in 2023.

You can spin it a number of ways, but no matter which way you spin it HUB's video is an amateur fluff piece and is all but useless.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by KillingArts:

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

But they didn’t say they will deliver anything else. It’s mostly a benchmark channels showing fps graphs.
They do GPU benchmarks with top tier CPU and CPU benchmarks with top tier GPU at 1080p. Same as Gamers Nexus. That’s it. Dry, boring numbers.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you want to tell me. Who did't say they will deliver anything else? Naughty Dog?

I misunderstood your post. I though you attack HUB for under delivered content and not the game.

But while we are here there will be more games using a lot of vram with worse than here visuals.

[Guydodge]

digital foundry is a click bait channel

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by KillingArts:

Sure, you can criticize them all you want. That's fine. But not if you use it as an excuse for this game. There is simply no merrit to such an argument. The game is _unusually_ VRAM hungry and delivers horrible visuals on many mid-range GPUs with 8GB. The solution for that is not to buy a card with more VRAM. The solution is to properly optimize the game for the target platform, which is what they should have done before release. And the whole VRAM thing is obviously only one of many issues the game has.

We shouldn't also use the state of the game as an excuse to defend nVidia either for the anti-consumer practices. nVidia has been up to some greasy stuff for years, Folks have been calling them out on it for awhile too, but consumers themselves keep running to nVidia for products left right and center.

nVidia has dropped the ball pretty hard. Right now, there's more driver issues with nVidia products than AMD. Generally speaking, AMD tends to have more serious issues (requires driver reinstalls or system restarts as a solution). But nVidia is also getting slower and slower at fixing problems. Ongoing known issues continue to remain for several driver versions longer than AMD. Now I'm not trying to upsell AMD here, but I'm just pointing out how complacent nVidia is getting. They don't care about low end, they're selling gimped GPUs at middle tier in the 30 series (low vRAM). They're nerfing vRAM in the 40 series. They're over charging. They're claiming Moore's Law is Dead despite the fact that every other company in the tech industry understands that Moore's Law is not dead.

Yet people have no problem complaining about nVidia but won't do anything about it, cause they seem to keep going back and buying nVidia. The 40 series should be the nail in the coffin to wake most people up. Comparing generational upgrades, going from the 3060 to a 4060 is going to be a loss in hardware, but hey don't worry, you can get all these fancy AI features that do not give you a native game experience.

lol..yeah right AMD fanboi

[C1REX]

Originally posted by CJM:

A benchmark for the game includes lower end CPUs, and the Steam Deck is an important benchmark in 2023.

You can spin it a number of ways, but no matter which way you spin it HUB's video is an amateur fluff piece and is all but useless.

Benchmark includes whatever is measured. It’s a GPU benchmark for the newest hot game. That’s it. It’s done as it should. You are asking for specific CPU+GPU combo benchmarks.

[fatezeroxx]

Originally posted by KwizatZ:

The game stutters like crazy when you move the camera (gamepad also), even at 80 or 130 or fixed 60 fps :
latest patch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBwCh5Wiec

prev patch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_58y-ka3U

This is just unplayable garbage, period

HUB didn't even bother playing the game, they are just fps copy bots

Same camera stutters, which makes my VRR monitor useless and not smooth at all, and fanboys still just blame VRAM like they are bots too and just copy what HUB says.