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Razin_Shah 拥有 The Last of Us™ Part I

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 2:16

Digital Foundry vs Hardware Unboxed

Hardware Unboxed: "game runs buttery smooth as long as you have enough vram"

Digital Foundry: "the port has serious issues with cpu performance and memory management "

Which side are you on and more important which of the two is correct in their assessment?

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CJM

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:08

引用自 C1REX-PL：
HUB did GPU benchmark. Nothing more.
Dry numbers using the best setup possible to show where GPU becomes a bottleneck.

The same CPU benchmark will use 4090 to remove GPU bottleneck.

That’s how benchmarks are done.

He benchmarked cards using ONE game, that is not how benchmarks are done.

1. Benchmark cards against a range of titles. You want these benchmarks to be in the same session/video/article to minimize differences in Driver revisions and Windows updates between them.

2. Benchmark different resolutions and DLSS/FSR, which is where you will notice the CPU combo issues. A lot of gamers don't care whether the game will run at Ultra on a 3080, 4080, or 4090. They also care if they will need to run at Low or Medium on an 8GB VRAM GPU like the RX 6600.

I'm not buying TLOU on PC because I want better graphics, I'm buying TLOU on PC because I don't own a PlayStation, other than the PlayStation Classic which I bought for $30. I'm a PC gamer, not a console game.

引用自 C1REX-PL：
For specific CPU + GPU combo you need to check some random YT videos and trust their setup is OK (xmp, boost clock, resizable bar, nvme etc. )

最后由 CJM 编辑于; 2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:08

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animal_PLANET 拥有 The Last of Us™ Part I

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:08

引用自 MancSoulja：
引用自 animal_PLANET：

Yea, the automatic compression tools the PS5 uses went over Iron Galaxy's head when porting the game for PC. Now its a streaming mess.

It was ported by Naughty Dog, their CEO literally wrote a blog post about how his studio struggled to adapt to keyboard and mouse.

Its called damage control. ND is trying to scrub any relations with Iron Galaxy due to how badly they are known for messing up previous ports.

You remember Uncharted? Well, look at steam page for who did that port. Iron Galaxy. Same issues like mouse movement and stutter that is still present in Uncharted for steam is also in LoU. Coincidence? Not at all.

It was Iron Galaxy. They are also in the game's credits as PC team.
Time stamp: 18:40.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4GAGYVd4H0

There are also plenty of sites that have not redacted any of their statements to correct that Iron Galaxy didnt work on LoU.

Here is just 1 example.
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/iron-galaxy-will-be-responsible-for-the-last-of-us-part-i-remake-pc/

最后由 animal_PLANET 编辑于; 2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:11

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Tr0w

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:10

引用自 🤘 Qwarrock 🤘：
引用自 stage：
Both.
+1

Lot of guys just don't understand it's not The last of us remastered from ps4 but the ps5 exclusive Remake, which use everything ps5 offer including lot of Vram and fast nvme.

This game was just PORTED to PC

Those guy who complain would like a DEMAKE of this REMAKE, = recoding it. Of course it'll not happen!

引用自 stage：
So either all people must have issues or all people will run it fine...
Those with issues don't have enough Vram or ask to much for their CPU and Vram... just read....

The solution was simple though, port both the PS5 version and the PS4 Remaster.

#33

Chris

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:26

#34

C1REX

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:29

引用自 CJM：
He benchmarked cards using ONE game, that is not how benchmarks are done.

A normal single game benchmark showing GPU bottleneck for this specific game. It’s done up to industry standard.
CPU benchmarks for this game may also appear soon. My guess is that 8 core 3700x similar ps5 CPU will be a bare minimum.
Also best value PC to run ps5 games videos may soon appear as well.

最后由 C1REX 编辑于; 2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:30

#35

Geist 2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:31

Looking at the DF video with the sbs from 2 rigs and PS5 is shows how bad the port is. How are ultra settings missing lighting that's there in medium?

#36

TeRrOk

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:35

I agree with Hardware-Unboxed. I myself have a graphics card with a lot of VRAM and apart from the mouse/camera issue, everything is fine. The same goes for a friend with slightly less VRAM. The problems basically start at 12 GB of VRAM and the less memory you have, the worse it gets.

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C1REX

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:39

引用自 Geist：
Looking at the DF video with the sbs from 2 rigs and PS5 is shows how bad the port is. How are ultra settings missing lighting that's there in medium?

Probably one ultra setting has a bug. Either lighting, shadows or maybe even textures. Depends how it’s done. I wish they checked what setting caused that.

#38

hawkeye 2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:53

Both statements are probably correct and not as odds with each other, As a former dev, I think that the graphics and the gameplay shouldn't require anything more than the recommended minimum specs at low res and graphics quality -

Win 10 (Version 1909 or Newer)
Ryzen 5 1500X or Intel Core i7-4770K
16 GB RAM
RX 470 (4 GB), AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT (4 GB), NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (4 GB), NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (4 GB)

That doesn't seem to be the case according to either statement.

最后由 hawkeye 编辑于; 2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:57

#39

CJM

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:56

引用自 C1REX-PL：
引用自 CJM：
He benchmarked cards using ONE game, that is not how benchmarks are done.
A normal single game benchmark showing GPU bottleneck for this specific game. It’s done up to industry standard.

A worthless fluff piece.

Standard gaming PC design is to have the GPU be the bottleneck.

Your CPU is the backbone, you want it to be fast enough to support GPU upgrades in the future. Then you want enough RAM.

Tech Powerup is much more valuable than this garbage video from Hardware Unboxed.

引用自 C1REX-PL：
CPU benchmarks for this game may also appear soon. My guess is that 8 core 3700x similar ps5 CPU will be a bare minimum.
Also best value PC to run ps5 games videos may soon appear as well.

Well, depends on Friday's patch I suppose.

For the current state of the game that is something. Hopefully Hardware Unboxed can publish something of quality and not the amateur hour that is their current video.

最后由 CJM 编辑于; 2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 5:04

#40

MoonMen

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 4:57

Game isn't optimized well leading to memory leak which cause the unrealistic vram usage for this game
there are far bigger games with open world and better graphics uses less vram
GAME IS BROKEN BOY thats it

#41

Sunbather

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 5:02

Only testing the GPU with this game, renders any judgement by Hardware Unboxed utterly useless.

Then again, the video on The Last of Us by Digital Foundry must be one of the worst videos I have ever watched by them. They rambled and giggled for over an hour without doing much else but lamenting the washed out textures on the RTX 2070 Super. But the problem with the textures were only caused because the dude was adamant on playing on 1440p with his 2070 Super. Why on earth didn't he go down to 1080p when he ALREADY KNEW VRam was the problem?!
I have a 2060 Super, play on 1080p, have my textures on high, and have not encountered a single texture as badly washed out as in the DF video. And no memory related crashes either.

DF also said in the beginning of the video that because of the messiness of it all, they saw no sense in working out the optimized settings when many patches are yet to come out for the game. What an excuse! As if a week of patching suddenly optimized the game!
Meanwhile, I managed to do a optimized settings guide the first day I got the game...

All in all, a very lazy and very stupid video by Digital Foundry.

So it is simply not true that "both statements are probably correct". It is true though that both videos are based on faulty and fragmentary testing and hence both make claims that can't be neither true nor false in any objective sense since the tests themselves were not objective.

#42

Tr0w

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 5:02

Lmfao just saw Neil Druckmann on a podcast, is the guy delusional? He claimed that the pictures people were posting him of the screwed up textures, blackface Joel, etc, were fake images people were using to make anti Semitic attacks against him.

#43

Dad0ne

2023 年 4 月 6 日上午 5:40

引用自 Tr0w：
Lmfao just saw Neil Druckmann on a podcast, is the guy delusional? He claimed that the pictures people were posting him of the screwed up textures, blackface Joel, etc, were fake images people were using to make anti Semitic attacks against him.

dude is being known to be a cheap woke activist. So no surprise there.

#44