Digital Foundry vs Hardware Unboxed

[Razin_Shah]

Hardware Unboxed: "game runs buttery smooth as long as you have enough vram"

Digital Foundry: "the port has serious issues with cpu performance and memory management "

Which side are you on and more important which of the two is correct in their assessment?

[C1REX]

Publicado originalmente por Extreme:

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

He forgot to mention Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X pack 16GB of VRAM, the fact the texture maps need to go somewhere.

And the fact 8GB of VRAM, was standard for last generation, not this generation.

NVidia selling GPUs at premium with less than 10GB of VRAM is only insult here, AMD is not doing anything.

No PS5 and XSX dont have 16gb VRAM they have 16gb shared memory so its RAM and VRAM but games can use 13gb max rest is reserved by OS.

GDDR6 is VRAM. Consoles have shared VRAM what is actually a big advantage. There are only plans to give CPU access to VRAM on PC and remove one of many bottlenecks.

[Marty McFly]

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

Publicado originalmente por KillingArts:

And I'm sure you have proof for your wild conspiracy theory, yes?

He forgot to mention Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X pack 16GB of VRAM, the fact the texture maps need to go somewhere.

And the fact 8GB of VRAM, was standard for last generation, not this generation.

NVidia selling GPUs at premium with less than 10GB of VRAM is only insult here, AMD is not doing anything.

The PS5 only has 12.5 GB of GDDR6 available for games, the rest is reserved for the console's operating system. Additionally, these 12.5 GB are not exclusively used as VRAM, they are also used as a type of RAM for the CPU. Therefore, in practice, there is much less than 12.5 GB available for use as VRAM, as I doubt that this game uses less than 4 GB as RAM on the console.

[Extreme]

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

Publicado originalmente por Extreme:

No PS5 and XSX dont have 16gb VRAM they have 16gb shared memory so its RAM and VRAM but games can use 13gb max rest is reserved by OS.

Please stop embarrassing yourself, if you actually believe 16GB on a console is the same as 16GB RAM on PC you just wasting everyone's time here.

And for the record, they do have 16GB of VRAM, there is nothing to share cause consoles use APUs.

If you think consoles have VRAM instead of shared memory you embarassing yourself. Games cant use 16gb of shared memory on consoles PS5 and XSX reserve 2.5-3gb for OS, XSS have 10gb shared memory but 8gb for games.

[MancSoulja]

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

Publicado originalmente por Extreme:

No PS5 and XSX dont have 16gb VRAM they have 16gb shared memory so its RAM and VRAM but games can use 13gb max rest is reserved by OS.

Please stop embarrassing yourself, if you actually believe 16GB on a console is the same as 16GB RAM on PC you just wasting everyone's time here.

And for the record, they do have 16GB of VRAM, there is nothing to share cause consoles use APUs.

So the Xbox OS is a magic OS that requires zero RAM?

[Tormentor89]

Publicado originalmente por C1REX-PL:

Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:

We're talking about CPU performance, The PS5 has A 3.5 Ghz Zen 2, probably a R7 1600X equivalent, there's no reason the game should be pegging i9 13900Ks

Ps5 has an 8 core 3700x equivalent. It also has direct storage that removes a LOT of CPU load.

The 3700X clocks faster than PS5's cpu. This is a crap port, nothing more.

[Extreme]

Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

Please stop embarrassing yourself, if you actually believe 16GB on a console is the same as 16GB RAM on PC you just wasting everyone's time here.

And for the record, they do have 16GB of VRAM, there is nothing to share cause consoles use APUs.

So the Xbox OS is a magic OS that requires zero RAM? :tgrin:

In his opinion yes and if we continue this it looks like games also dont need to load stuff like audio for example lol.

[Kobi Blade]

Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

Please stop embarrassing yourself, if you actually believe 16GB on a console is the same as 16GB RAM on PC you just wasting everyone's time here.

And for the record, they do have 16GB of VRAM, there is nothing to share cause consoles use APUs.

So the Xbox OS is a magic OS that requires zero RAM? :tgrin:

Has the same magic OS that a Desktop has, your argument is weak, no one mention how much VRAM is being used by what.

If you all wanna keep embarrassing yourselves with poor arguments is fine by me.

Xbox Series X reserves 2GB for the OS, leaving 14GB of VRAM for GPU and System memory.

10GB of VRAM are reserved for the GPU alone at 560 GB/s of bandwidth, the rest runs at 336 GB/s.

While Playstation 5 runs it all at 448GB/s with also 10GB reserved for GPU alone.

Adding to that, the close to metal code of the consoles, you need at least 12GB of VRAM alone to run the games on PC with same settings (something AMD figured out with the mid range GPUs).

NVidia decided to invest in texture compression instead of VRAM and are suffering for it.

[C1REX]

Publicado originalmente por Marty McFly:

The PS5 only has 12.5 GB of GDDR6 available for games, the rest is reserved for the console's operating system. Additionally, these 12.5 GB are not exclusively used as VRAM, they are also used as a type of RAM for the CPU. Therefore, in practice, there is much less than 12.5 GB available for use as VRAM, as I doubt that this game uses less than 4 GB as RAM on the console.

It doesn’t matter how it’s used when PC can’t do the same with 1:1 specs. Never could.
Ps4 has 5.5GB total memory available for games and can run TLOU, RE4 and Hogwart.
What’s your point exactly?

[Marty McFly]

Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

Please stop embarrassing yourself, if you actually believe 16GB on a console is the same as 16GB RAM on PC you just wasting everyone's time here.

And for the record, they do have 16GB of VRAM, there is nothing to share cause consoles use APUs.

So the Xbox OS is a magic OS that requires zero RAM? :tgrin:

These so-called hardware experts really think that a game only needs VRAM to run on the console and completely forget about the RAM, in addition to ignoring the memory reserved for the console's operating system.

[kgkong]

Publicado originalmente por Extreme:

Publicado originalmente por twiggy:

but amd cards offer better price to performance and ray tracing/frame gen is a scam

This is true when their drivers works and are stable.

nVidia is actually having more driver problems currently and with problems persisting through more driver versions on average than AMD.
Typically, AMD solutions for driver problems more often or not require a PC restart or driver reinstall, where nVidia you can more or less tweak a setting in their control panel or in-game or just restart the PC. However, nVidia's problems are becoming more serious and more commonplace. Such as game crashes and memory management for video memory spillover.

[MancSoulja]

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:

So the Xbox OS is a magic OS that requires zero RAM?

Has the same magic OS that a Desktop has, your argument is weak, no one mention how much VRAM is being used by what.

If you all wanna keep embarrassing yourselves with poor arguments is fine by me.

Xbox Series X reserves 2GB for the OS, leaving 14GB of VRAM for GPU and System memory.

10GB of VRAM are reserved for the GPU alone at 560 GB/s of bandwidth, the rest runs at 336 GB/s.

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

For the record, they do have 16GB of VRAM, there is nothing to share cause consoles use APUs.

It's only VRAM if it's being used by the GPU, GDDR6 is DRAM not VRAM, what makes DRAM, VRAM is that it is being used by a GPU.

[KillingArts]

Publicado originalmente por Marty McFly:

Publicado originalmente por KillingArts:

And I'm sure you have proof for your wild conspiracy theory, yes?

Just look at games sponsored by AMD and their consume of VRAM

So you probably have a vague impression based on forum discussions. That's not proof. I doubt AMD sponsored games actually consume more VRAM on average.

[KillingArts]

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

He forgot to mention Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X pack 16GB of VRAM, the texture maps need to go somewhere.

And the fact 8GB of VRAM was minimum for a gaming PC last generation (Playstation 4 and Xbox One).

NVidia selling GPUs at premium with less than 10GB of VRAM is only insult here, AMD is not doing anything.

8GB was minimum last generation? That's really not true. Last generation was from 2013-2020. 8GB started to become more common maybe 2016-2017, but more in the high-end sector (maybe aside from RX480/580 in their 8GB config). Many people had 4GB during that time and even later. Console ports usually worked absolutely fine with 4GB for most of that generation, too.

Doesn't change the fact that NVidia should put more memory on their cards, though.

[Extreme]

Publicado originalmente por KillingArts:

Publicado originalmente por Kobi Blade:

He forgot to mention Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X pack 16GB of VRAM, the texture maps need to go somewhere.

And the fact 8GB of VRAM was minimum for a gaming PC last generation (Playstation 4 and Xbox One).

NVidia selling GPUs at premium with less than 10GB of VRAM is only insult here, AMD is not doing anything.

8GB was minimum last generation? That's really not true. Last generation was from 2013-2020. 8GB started to become more common maybe 2016-2017, but more in the high-end sector (maybe aside from RX480/580 in their 8GB config). Many people had 4GB during that time and even later. Console ports usually worked absolutely fine with 4GB for most of that generation, too.

Doesn't change the fact that NVidia should put more memory on their cards, though.

Tbh 6gb was enough for 1080p not so long ago i played on 1060 6gb in 2016-2022 and i never had issue with VRAM.

[MisterLister]

I see noVideo RTX Wool technology "just works", as intended. https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k