Digital Foundry vs Hardware Unboxed

[Razin_Shah]

Hardware Unboxed: "game runs buttery smooth as long as you have enough vram"

Digital Foundry: "the port has serious issues with cpu performance and memory management "

Which side are you on and more important which of the two is correct in their assessment?

[l3adl3oyl2ick]

I commented on a hardware unboxed video about six months ago saying that 8gb of vram wasnt enough now a days. He responded telling me how wrong I was. Now he says the same thing....Id trust digital foundry

[C1REX]

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I watched a Digital Foundry video about Returnal, and I own the game, so I have my own conclusions about it. I've also seen how other people perceive its performance. The game has received tons of bad reviews and negative posts on forums. Even though my 5700XT should have similar power to the PS5 GPU, I didn't feel like it performed as well as the PS5.

It got way, way more positive reviews than negative ones, which is not something we can say about TLOU, which started out with "mostly negative" reviews just over 30% and is still very low (47%). Returnal is at over 80%.

The difference between TLOU and Returnal is that the latter can scale really well and still deliver nice textures even for cards with significantly less VRAM than the PS5.

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On the other hand, Digital Foundry claimed that Elden Ring is unplayable on PC, but it runs perfectly fine for me.

Maybe after some months of patching, sure. At release it was quite a mess. For everyone. And it's still lacking essential PC features, to be honest. I wouldn't quite call that initial state unplayable (I mean, I played it after all). And I'm not sure DF did really call it that. But it was pretty bad nonetheless.

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I don't defend The Last of Us as a greatly optimized port. I have no idea if any other studio could have done a better job. However, I do defend it as the new normal and a trend, rather than an exception.

Seeing that we have countless other games that offer similar or better visuals with less VRAM and a lot less CPU load, I'm certain we could have gotten a better port.

Apologies for the formatting, but that's the only way I can reply from my phone.

Returnal definitely had better reception, but it was still not great. It was in the orange “mixed” rating and later improved. The two most popular topics of discussion were about crashes and stutters. Many people were angry about the game's high demands for a simple UE4 game with small rooms and few enemies. Even people with high-end systems like 13900k + 4090 were still complaining about performance.

This game will likely receive better ratings over time. It also looks miles more impressive visually.

DF advised viewers to skip Elden Ring. That was the quote from their video. Sadly they never made a new video changing their stance.

I agree that this game could be better optimized, and I also think we will see many more games with performance problems in the future. Apart from RE4, nearly all recent AAA games have had problems, and in my opinion, it will likely only get "worse." I put "worse" in quotes because advancements in graphics are ultimately good in the long term. I doubt any Nvidia 5000 series GPU will have less than 16GB and will likely eat ps5 for breakfast.

[Blazing Storm]

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HUB made a simple GPU test for a specific arguably broken game, and he did it by removing CPU bottleneck as it should be done. He tested what GPU is able to run this allegedly broken game. Nvidia won the test. Even if he is the biggest shill, the numbers do not lie.

DF played on three systems and compared differences in look and performance. More people were likely looking for that information, which is why more people liked it. What I dislike about the video is that it doesn't show what kind of PC is required to run the game like on the PS5. What's even worse is that the way they conducted the analysis made people believe that the PC version looks worse or is broken.

What do you mean "arguably"? The game runs at 60-80FPS on a 4090 at native 4k. The scaling makes no sense as the PS5 is equivalent to an RTX 2080 at best and runs this game at 30 FPS at native 4k. The 4090 should be running this at 120 FPS based on raw horsepower.

The benchmark is completely flawed because apart from cards with overkill amounts of VRAM, none of the last gen Nvidia cards can even run the damn game. I am not kidding. The 3080 Ti and 4070 Ti cannot run this game at 4k without dropping the settings to Medium. Again due to their moronic arbitrary limitation to reserve 3GB of VRAM for Windows on the 3080 Ti.

What do you mean Nvidia won? Their 3000 series cannot run the game as per his benchmarks. Only the 4000 series can. The whole point about that video was him going on about how Nvidia sucks due to low VRAM and AMD is the most consumer friendly corporation on Planet Earth for giving 16GB of VRAM. No one cares if the halo Nvidia card won.

The PC version IS broken. I bought and refunded it. My CPU fans were cranked up all across the play-through and my GPU usage was wildly fluctuating between 70-90%. There are several lighting effects missing in the PC version and some shadows look worse on Ultra. Recommend looking at Nick's comparison of the PS5 and PC on YouTube where he shows several areas looking worse on PC.

Interesting fact. Flight simulator is also heavily CPU bottlenecked even at 4K native when using 4090. So this game should be a good benchmark for CPU and GPU.

You can't be serious. Flight sims will always be CPU intensive. Just think of all the extra aerodynamic calculations that are needed that other games just don't deal with.

The Last of US has CPU usage at 90% with me staring at a wall in an alley.

In my opinion, it's quite the opposite. Cyberpunk is likely the most popular GPU benchmark. HUB made a dry benchmark, while DF performed game analysis. These are two completely different videos that do not contradict each other

His benchmarks show the entirety of the 3000 series cannot play this game apart from the x90 cards. This is not a benchmark. It was made to humiliate Nvidia and their VRAM allocation for Ampere while trying to hype up AMD's saintly nature. Again the 3000 series not being able to play the game is down to that arbitrary Windows allocation.

I see your point and maybe you are right. I think however we will have a repeat from ps4 ports when almost overnight 4GB wasn't enough for many games.

Please keep in mind that when you are making 8GB obsolete, that means almost the entirety of 3000 series and 2000 series Nvidia cards are obsolete and the pricing of 4000 series is through the roof. People would rather switch to console gaming than buy an over priced Nvidia card. If what you say happens, it is more likely users would simply go out and buy a PS5 and PC gaming will die out.

No one cares about the 24GB Nvidia halo cards. Its the mid range which is where the market is at and even now the mid range 4000 series and 3000 series is at 8GB of VRAM

[Blazing Storm]

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Escrito originalmente por Marty McFly:

We should be wary of trusting "chills" who are paid to do damage control for bugged and bad optimized games on behalf of companies. These individuals may prioritize protecting the company's reputation over addressing valid criticisms and feedback from the gaming community, which can be harmful to players who rely on accurate information to make informed decisions. It's crucial to seek out multiple sources of information, including independent reviews and feedback from other players, when deciding whether to purchase a game. Companies should focus on creating high-quality games that don't require the use of "chills" to defend their reputation, rather than relying on deceptive marketing tactics.

Are you talking abut HUB who shows in numbers that NVIDIA is the best to run this game?

I hope you also understood that HUB numbers showed none of the Nvidia 3000 series apart from the 3090 and 3090 Ti could play the game? Also that the 4070 Ti couldn't play the game?. All AMD cards were playable though

[KillingArts]

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Are you talking abut HUB who shows in numbers that NVIDIA is the best to run this game?

I hope you also understood that HUB numbers showed none of the Nvidia 3000 series apart from the 3090 and 3090 Ti could play the game? Also that the 4070 Ti couldn't play the game?. All AMD cards were playable though

I haven't even watched this video, but I was playing the game at mostly ultra settings with high environment textures at 3440*1440 on my 3080 10GB today, and it ran at 70-100fps. I feel like I can actually run the game. But I'm probably totally wrong, since HUB knows better. xD

[Tr0w]

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I hope you also understood that HUB numbers showed none of the Nvidia 3000 series apart from the 3090 and 3090 Ti could play the game? Also that the 4070 Ti couldn't play the game?. All AMD cards were playable though

I haven't even watched this video, but I was playing the game at mostly ultra settings with high environment textures at 3440*1440 on my 3080 10GB today, and it ran at 70-100fps. I feel like I can actually run the game. But I'm probably totally wrong, since HUB knows better. xD

The 1% lows are the issue though on your 10Gb 3080 and my 8Gb 3070, i get 60-70fps at 1440p ultra with DLSS quality but the 1% lows are in the single digits compared to cards with 12Gb of VRAM or more where the lows are in the 40s and 50s.

[C1REX]

Escrito originalmente por Blazing Storm:

I hope you also understood that HUB numbers showed none of the Nvidia 3000 series apart from the 3090 and 3090 Ti could play the game? Also that the 4070 Ti couldn't play the game?. All AMD cards were playable though

Are you sure you are not bias towards nvidia yourself? Who cares what corporation makes your gaming parts?
4070Ti is definitely enough for the game. With that logic are you OK with DF being fanboys of AMD based console and suggesting it’s better than Nvidia?

[Blazing Storm]

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Escrito originalmente por Blazing Storm:

I hope you also understood that HUB numbers showed none of the Nvidia 3000 series apart from the 3090 and 3090 Ti could play the game? Also that the 4070 Ti couldn't play the game?. All AMD cards were playable though

Are you sure you are not bias towards nvidia yourself? Who cares what corporation makes your gaming parts?
4070Ti is definitely enough for the game. With that logic are you OK with DF being fanboys of AMD based console and suggesting it’s better than Nvidia?

4070 Ti cannot run the game at 4k. Look at the 1% lows. They are in the thirties

https://youtu.be/_lHiGlAWxio

Also look at the title of this video. Nvidia planned obsolescence? Where is the obsolescence? The game is reserving 2 gigs of ram for Windows.

[Tr0w]

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Are you sure you are not bias towards nvidia yourself? Who cares what corporation makes your gaming parts?
4070Ti is definitely enough for the game. With that logic are you OK with DF being fanboys of AMD based console and suggesting it’s better than Nvidia?

4070 Ti cannot run the game at 4k. Look at the 1% lows. They are in the thirties

https://youtu.be/_lHiGlAWxio

Also look at the title of this video. Nvidia planned obsolescence? Where is the obsolescence? The game is reserving 2 gigs of ram for Windows.

It reserves 1.6GB for the OS for me.

As for the planned obsolescence, look at the 1% lows on cards with less than 12Gb of VRAM. Single digits.

[kertel1991]

Big issues with mouse jittering and i see 85% usage in my 5700x with the 4070ti to something like 70-75% usage in some areas. The port has serious issues and hope they will fix them.

In uncharted legacy collection the mouse jittering is still there after months without a patch.

[kgkong]

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Escrito originalmente por Blazing Storm:

4070 Ti cannot run the game at 4k. Look at the 1% lows. They are in the thirties

https://youtu.be/_lHiGlAWxio

Also look at the title of this video. Nvidia planned obsolescence? Where is the obsolescence? The game is reserving 2 gigs of ram for Windows.

It reserves 1.6GB for the OS for me.

As for the planned obsolescence, look at the 1% lows on cards with less than 12Gb of VRAM. Single digits.

It's not actually reserving that much. Windows can use up to that amount but it isn't. Get yourself Afterburner and Rivatuner and set up the OSD hardware monitoring. You will see how much memory you're actually using and how much is allocated with the right tags enabled for monitoring.

[Blazing Storm]

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Escrito originalmente por Blazing Storm:

4070 Ti cannot run the game at 4k. Look at the 1% lows. They are in the thirties

https://youtu.be/_lHiGlAWxio

Also look at the title of this video. Nvidia planned obsolescence? Where is the obsolescence? The game is reserving 2 gigs of ram for Windows.

It reserves 1.6GB for the OS for me.

As for the planned obsolescence, look at the 1% lows on cards with less than 12Gb of VRAM. Single digits.

Thats not planned obsolescence. Windows is not using 1.6GB if VRAM. It barely uses 400MB. 1.2GB of VRAM on your GPU is essentially wasted by the game due to developer incompetence. On my 4090, the game was reserving 5GB of VRAM for Windows which is incredible

In the 3000 series, no card apart from 3090 has high VRAM. I can understand nvidia wanting to do obsolescence with mid range user but not people with 3080 and 3080 Ti

[Tr0w]

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Escrito originalmente por Tr0w:

It reserves 1.6GB for the OS for me.

As for the planned obsolescence, look at the 1% lows on cards with less than 12Gb of VRAM. Single digits.

Thats not planned obsolescence. Windows is not using 1.6GB if VRAM. It barely uses 400MB. 1.2GB of VRAM on your GPU is essentially wasted by the game due to developer incompetence. On my 4090, the game was reserving 5GB of VRAM for Windows which is incredible

In the 3000 series, no card apart from 3090 has high VRAM. I can understand nvidia wanting to do obsolescence with mid range user but not people with 3080 and 3080 Ti

Learn to read.
The planned obsolescence part is a separate paragraph for a reason.

[C1REX]

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Windows is not using 1.6GB if VRAM. It barely uses 400MB. 1.2GB of VRAM on your GPU is essentially wasted by the game due to developer incompetence. On my 4090, the game was reserving 5GB of VRAM for Windows which is incredible

If you have 4090 then check how much vram windows uses in RE4. It usually is about 1.2 GB in that game. It’s not always the same number for everybody and for every game.

[Blazing Storm]

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