So it wasn't that 8gb gpus are obsolete for this game.

[El Fuerte]

Its just that fans were defending a bad release :D

https://youtu.be/L8bg9coF6AA?t=237

[halbermensch999]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pipoco:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von halbermensch999:

Even as I bought 3070 8GB 2 years ago I know Nvidia put in too little.. (hardware unboxed for instance said the same thing back then) consoles have 16GB total accessible and very fast SSDs. For computers it makes sense to have more than consoles.

consoles don't work like PCs. This game isn't VRAM demanding, its just poorly developed on PC and 1.05 is proof of that.

They could work the same but they have to functions on tons of differnet configurations.
You could code in DX12 close to metal, force 1.1 fast SSDs etc, but not everyone has them.
Obviously the game was not ready for release, still doesn't mean that gamers should buy entry level 8GB cards.
Heck, I had 8GB for years, since rx480 8GB, to 5700 8GB to 3070 8GB. That's a very long time period.
It's time to move on, don't buy 8GB cards anymore if you can afford then get atleast 12GB

[donahue25911]

i updated the dlss to the newest one after update and i can play 4k with dlss at balanced with everything maxed out. It only consumes around 9gb vram or around 8gb. i don't remember. im always above 60fps. can do quality too but drops sometimes in areas with a lot of reflections.

i7 10700k, 32gb ram, rtx 4070, m.2 ssd gen. 4

[Michael]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pipoco:

Its just that fans were defending a bad release :D

Let's not forget that game with run at high and not ultra. ultra at 1080p eats the VRAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRiee-iQynE

Forspoken and hogwarts says otherwise. While this game and forspoken are crap ports it doesn't change ther fasct that 8GB GPUs are done.

[episoder]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von halbermensch999:

NVIDIA confirms 8GB of VRAM isn't enough to run some games at 1080p max settings
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91516/nvidia-confirms-8gb-of-vram-isnt-enough-to-run-some-games-at-1080p-max-settings/index.html

cough nvidia is selling you the stuff. ofc they gonna tell you, you need more. lol

[Michael]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von episoder:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von halbermensch999:

NVIDIA confirms 8GB of VRAM isn't enough to run some games at 1080p max settings
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91516/nvidia-confirms-8gb-of-vram-isnt-enough-to-run-some-games-at-1080p-max-settings/index.html

cough nvidia is selling you the stuff. ofc they gonna tell you, you need more. lol

AMD is also telling you that 8GB of vram is dead.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/8gb_is_no_longer_enough_vram_for_high-end_1440p_gaming_-_amd_claims/1

Ursprünglich geschrieben von overclock3d.net:

8GB is no longer enough VRAM for High-end 1440p Gaming - AMD Claims

8GB is no longer enough VRAM for High-end 1440p Gaming - AMD Claims
2021 is a turning point for the PC gaming market. Next-generation consoles like the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X have set a new baseline for game hardware requirements. On top of that, both console makers and GPU manufacturers have brought forth new features like hardware-accelerated ray tracing, Mesh Shaders, and Variable Rate Shading to push graphical workloads in bold new directions.

The gaming landscape is changing, and AMD believes that gamers will need graphics cards with more VRAM if they want their systems to last. With their newly announced Radeon RX 6700 XT, AMD's offering gamers 12GB of video memory, 50% more memory than their last-generation RX 5700 XT graphics card.

While competing graphics cards like Nvidia's RTX 3060 Ti and RTX 3070 are great graphics cards at 1440p, AMD believes that future games will start to struggle at Ultra settings as their 8GB frame buffers fill up with data. The Radeon RX 6700 XT feature 12GB of VRAM to give gamers "peace of mind when you click that Ultra Preset", claims AMD's Scott Herkelman.

from 2021
https://twitter.com/amdradeon/status/1367890388783144962

Ursprünglich geschrieben von twitter link from 2021:

Today's games use more memory, especially when you're looking for the best texture quality and visual fidelity. Radeon RX 6700 XT is equipped with 12GB of VRAM for peace of mind when you click that Ultra preset.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isn4eLTi8lQ&pp=ygUZYW1kIHNheXMgOGdiIG9mIHZyYW0gZGVhZA%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7evSRaDl_M&pp=ygUZYW1kIHNheXMgOGdiIG9mIHZyYW0gZGVhZA%3D%3D

[halbermensch999]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von episoder:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von halbermensch999:

NVIDIA confirms 8GB of VRAM isn't enough to run some games at 1080p max settings
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91516/nvidia-confirms-8gb-of-vram-isnt-enough-to-run-some-games-at-1080p-max-settings/index.html

cough nvidia is selling you the stuff. ofc they gonna tell you, you need more. lol

Yeah, they will sell 8GB cards, knowing fully well it won't be enough for some games even in 1080p, and they will then sell you new cards again.
4070 with 12GB should be absolute minimum when it comes to VRAM these days.

Again, RX480 came out in 2016, that's ages ago. 8GB cards shouldn't be released for gaming anymore.

[El Fuerte]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Michael:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von episoder:

cough nvidia is selling you the stuff. ofc they gonna tell you, you need more. lol

AMD is also telling you that 8GB of vram is dead.

No ♥♥♥♥ Sherlock. Surely they're so worried about the well being of their costumers lol

And now here we are. A port that was needing more than 8gb of Vram on release for High textures but now it doesn't need it anymore. Just like magic
Most of the people here didn't even bother to watch the video linked in the thread. What a sad situation. This is exactly why companies keep releasing ports like that.

[Michael]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pipoco:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Michael:

AMD is also telling you that 8GB of vram is dead.

No ♥♥♥♥ Sherlock. Surely they're so worried about the well being of their costumers lol

And then here we are. A port that was needing more than 8gb of Vram on release for High textures but now it doesn't need it anymore

I have yet to see it running at ultra at 1080p or 4k. The video so far only has 1440p, which I find lacking.

[El Fuerte]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Michael:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pipoco:

No ♥♥♥♥ Sherlock. Surely they're so worried about the well being of their costumers lol

And then here we are. A port that was needing more than 8gb of Vram on release for High textures but now it doesn't need it anymore

I have yet to see it running at ultra at 1080p or 4k. The video so far only has 1440p, which I find lacking.

yeah how dare these peasants with 8gb vram now being able to play the port at 1440p High settings after patch 1.05.

[Haywood Jashootmee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pipoco:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Michael:

I have yet to see it running at ultra at 1080p or 4k. The video so far only has 1440p, which I find lacking.

yeah how dare these peasants with 8gb vram now being able to play the port at 1440p High settings after patch 1.05.

you really believe that someone who bought an 800 dollar 8gb vram gimped gpu is a peasant? no wonder DF has so many subs lol.

[JD]

Brian - Valve moderator. Close this discussion. It benefits no one.

[Michael]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Haywood Jashootmee:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pipoco:

yeah how dare these peasants with 8gb vram now being able to play the port at 1440p High settings after patch 1.05.

you really believe that someone who bought an 800 dollar 8gb vram gimped gpu is a peasant? no wonder DF has so many subs lol.

You can buy a 3090 that has 24gb OF VRAM FOR LESS THAN THAT NOW.

[Poot]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MancSoulja:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ペドロ:

nah, I disagree.

No one cares if you agree or not, it's the consensus of the entire tech industry as a whole that 8GB isn't enough for AAA games anymore.

No mate you are wrong.

I run MSI afterburner all the time because I like the fan profiling and I can see exactly how much vram and general ram my pc used to run a program and at 1080 (still the most widely used resolution) 8gb on my 2070 super is enough.

Moving towards higher resolutions is happening for sure but drill down on a lot of that consensus and it's the same old bean counters trying to part us with our hard earned.

Google the most widely used gaming resolution.

[flitzpiepe0815]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DeadPhoenix:

8GB is considered the Minimum. 12GB recommended and 16GB and beyond for Max settings.

I disagree. I switched rigs between 1.0.4 and 1.0.5 and came from a 4GB card and could totally have played on a 4GB card if I'd had a better CPU and more RAM.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MancSoulja:

No one cares if you agree or not, it's the consensus of the entire tech industry as a whole that 8GB isn't enough for AAA games anymore.

Is that consensus in the room with us right now?

But seriously, with DDR7 around the corner it's unlikely that VRAM counts will just go up to fit supposed demands. Instead, VRAM will just get much faster so the demand for unlimited amounts of it won't be as big as you think.

Also, DDR6 will trickle into the mainboard market along with other technologies that make more use of actual RAM - shared memory is just about to make sense after all. This will also shift demands significantly.

Finally, production costs. High VRAM counts increase production costs and therefore sale prices which is why these were always reserved for professional and enthusiast cards. If you look at the latest Steam census you will see that 24GB cards won't get into the main market segment in the near future.

I totally agree that technology advances and I understand that some developers prefer unlimited resources so that nobody notices that they're emulating consoles on a pc and whatnot but what also advances is efficiency. Or at least should.
Lately, it looks like especially Nvidia is just adding power draw and VRAM to achieve better performance. Not only is this no real advancement, it also can't be repeated endlessly.

On a personal note already trying to normalize 3-slot-designs is a kick in the face of mITX-system-builders but that's another story.

I understand that you're happy that you're one of the few that can afford maximum performance but please stop trying to make it a standard for everyone else. Makes you look very poor.

Edit: language

[ElBarto56]

8GB has been obsolete for years, peasant...