Last of Us Part 1 is good but Don't play Part 2

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Spoiler Alert!
(Also, I played on Playstation 5 and both games played like butter with great graphics)

I loved Last of Us 1, but Last of Us 2 was very interesting to play and not in a positive way. I was seriously enjoying the story about Joel's death and Ellie trying to avenge his death, and Ellie's romance on the side. It could have been one of the best games ever.
Unfortunately, towards the end, I was forced to play as Abby. I really liked Joel as a character, and when Abby killed him, I, of course, developed a serious dislike for Abby. Furthermore, Abby is just a pissed-off, unlikable character in general. Thus, I really didn't want to play as Abby and found myself just letting zombies kill me because I wanted to return to playing as Ellie, and it was more enjoyable to watch her die than to try to help her survive.
I tried to play it out as Abby, hoping it would return to Ellie at any moment, but hours went by, and it still made me play as Abby until eventually I just said, "Screw it. I'm not enjoying this game at all, and I stopped playing altogether. I've played almost every rpg there is, and there is only one other game I have stopped playing halfway through. Thus, Last of Us 2 is one of the only games I rate as a 0 out of 10 since it was so unenjoyable that I didn't even finish it. The lesson here is NEVER FORCE THE PLAYER TO PLAY AS AN UNLIKABLE ANTAGONSIST, PLEASE.
After, being so disappointed with Part 2, I don't recommend either of these games.

[breadman]

i already did tho

[🍃🪻🪷Sylvie🩵🍸🍵]

Already played both Part 1 and Part 2 on PS5.

[Gerza71]

I know of the game and I be getting it.

[𝔰𝔦𝔤𝔦𝔫𝔞 ✝]

Part 2 is good, imo.

[Omen3608]

Originally posted by Lucian:

... NEVER FORCE THE PLAYER TO PLAY AS AN UNLIKABLE ANTAGONSIST, PLEASE.

If that's your takeaway you either didn't pay attention or didn't understand her story. ;)

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Originally posted by Omen3608:

Originally posted by Lucian:

... NEVER FORCE THE PLAYER TO PLAY AS AN UNLIKABLE ANTAGONSIST, PLEASE.

If that's your takeaway you either didn't pay attention or didn't understand her story. ;)

Abby killed Joel, and is written as a hateful unlikable character. She is definitely the villain in the story for me. I tried to play her out so I could get back to Ellie, but did not like it so much that I stopped entirely. It ruined the entire series for me.

[bla]

Originally posted by Gerza71:

I know of the game and I be getting it.

I just wanted to warn ya. There's a large portion of peeps who told me they had the same experience. I would definitely wait till it's on sale then cause the fact that part 1 is so incredibly good and Part 2 is so bad just makes it all so more disappointing.

[bla]

Originally posted by Cooper:

Part 2 is good, imo.

Playing as Abby was so weird. I literally let zombies kill me cause I was enjoying watching her die after what she had done. I was playing as a character that I had no interest in trying to help survive.
I've played so many RPG's and have never had that happen before. Such a weird experience, but I tried for hours to get through it so I could return to Ellie, but it just went on and on.
Eventually, I just asked myself, 'why am I even doing this when I could be playing other games and having fun. So, I started Ghosts of Tsushima and damn this Ghosts of Tsushima is good.

[Kidm0bius]

the fact they made part 2 a revenge story then not letting you take revenge and killing Abby killed it for me and made all of part 2 worthless. They could have made it a choice (since i seriously doubt there will be a part 3) whether to forgive Abby or kill her.

Lets not forget the marketing material for part 2 was a huge bait-and-switch. They literally put Joel in places where the Asian guy (cant remember his name) was in the game to make it seem like Joel was in the whole game. When in reality he dies 30 mins in rushing or about an hour in coasting.

[Devsman]

This is an amazing game but it had no business having a sequel. The world is a metaphor for Joel's emotional state as he refuses to deal with grief. This is why everything is frozen in time for twenty years and starting to fall apart. And at the end of the story, he finally learns to move on with his life. So naturally, the world should be on its way to recovery.

In fact, the ending is basically the prologue in reverse. A couple of events have been moved around a bit, but there's a clear concentric structure here. Joel saves Ellie from certain death at the hands of the (closest thing there is to) legitimate authorities, carries Ellie away from death, guns down a former friend, puts Ellie in a car and drives to meet up with Tommy. Naturally, this parallels Joel's long-overdue recovery, which, with the world itself being a metaphor therefore, means there's no more conflict.

So I never bothered with "Part II." Funny how all the most unnecessary sequels are named "Part II" as if they really badly want you to believe their existence is justified.

Now, a sequel that should never have existed can still be a good work and all (Back to the Future Part II, for example) but I just wasn't really itching for it personally.

[bla]

Originally posted by Devsman's Comet:

This is an amazing game but it had no business having a sequel. The world is a metaphor for Joel's emotional state as he refuses to deal with grief. This is why everything is frozen in time for twenty years and starting to fall apart. And at the end of the story, he finally learns to move on with his life. So naturally, the world should be on its way to recovery.

In fact, the ending is basically the prologue in reverse. A couple of events have been moved around a bit, but there's a clear concentric structure here. Joel saves Ellie from certain death at the hands of the (closest thing there is to) legitimate authorities, carries Ellie away from death, guns down a former friend, puts Ellie in a car and drives to meet up with Tommy. Naturally, this parallels Joel's long-overdue recovery, which, with the world itself being a metaphor therefore, means there's no more conflict.

So I never bothered with "Part II." Funny how all the most unnecessary sequels are named "Part II" as if they really badly want you to believe their existence is justified.

Now, a sequel that should never have existed can still be a good work and all (Back to the Future Part II, for example) but I just wasn't really itching for it personally.

Yeah, from now on I'm going to start looking into sequels before I play them. I would rather not play a sequel and end a beautiful story on a high note than a feeling of disappointment. Wish you all the best fellow gamers

[GODzilla]

Originally posted by Lucian:

Originally posted by Omen3608:

If that's your takeaway you either didn't pay attention or didn't understand her story. ;)

Abby killed Joel, and is written as a hateful unlikable character. She is definitely the villain in the story for me. I tried to play her out so I could get back to Ellie, but did not like it so much that I stopped entirely. It ruined the entire series for me.

Abby the villain, this is a good one. I mean unlike Joel, who (indirectly) probably killed hundreds of thousands of people by not allowing Ellie do die for her cause as she wanted to, saving humanity in the process.

I mean, admitedly, Abby didn't know the scope of his crimes. For her he just killed her dad. So its a petty, but pretty human reason for her. Simple revenge, a basic human emotion, burried deep into the oldest parts of our cavemen brains and definitely one of the worse things humanity has to offer.

But how does it make her any more of a villain than Ellie. She goes out to get her revenge, killing dozens of others who could all very well demand revenge for what she did. And endless, senseless cycle of violence. And you could argue that for the group of main characters in the game, Joel is the one who started it.

A fair assessment would be that none of those characters started out bad. Maybe unlike Joel, who was a soldier and probably killed in cold blood before, if not at least after the outbreak as the game hints as many times.

But Ellie never killed in cold blood before, just in self-defense. Same goes for Abby. But then Joel started something and it corrupted one after the other. Abby wanted revenge and kills in cold blood. And then Ellie wants revenge and kills in cold blood (and proably many more people than Abby did).

Like I said, an endless cycle of killing. Joel didn't invent it, but he started this particular cycle all by himself. We know his reasons, we can even understand his reasons, but there had to be consequences.

[Jake]

part 2 =
gameplay 10/10
story 6.5/10

[galan]

"not allowing Ellie to die for her cause as she wanted to"

Where is this stated ? When was Ellie ever asked ? When was Joel told she wanted to die ?

[Devsman]

Originally posted by galan:

"not allowing Ellie to die for her cause as she wanted to"

Where is this stated ? When was Ellie ever asked ? When was Joel told she wanted to die ?

A lot of people read this out of the "it can't be for nothing" line. But at that point she didn't know she would have to die to get the cordyceps extracted. There's an optional conversation in the fall chapter in the hospital where Ellie asks Joel what they're going to do to her when they reach the Fireflies. Joel answers they'll probably just draw some blood. "It don't hurt."