Zimmerman nerfs legitimately ruined the game

[Hikaru]

Don't care what you think, it's simply not a viable weapon anymore and it's the only weapon that was actually fun to use. Hope you're happy when the playerbase drops off by 90%

[D. Flame]

PvP is irrelevant, and they are still perfectly viable in PvE. If there is something you thing they are not viable on, please share with the rest of us. Only "Investigate BAWS" comes to mind, and that ALWAYS favored earshot cannons.

[nubi]

git gud

[ImHelping]

Zim is still decent. The main cartoon antics is the fact my old 350 light builds are now perma 370+ speeds.

Every liar who claimed to hate armored core 4 for being "Too fast perma fight gundam garbage" is now trying to defend light biped missile duels where heavies can't reach us in the sky, and quads are too fat and slow to outrun us or catch us.

Zim might be nerfed, but using one to stagger a heavy build finally catching up to me then running away giggling while unloading more missiles sure still works while everyone is convinced "Lights still suck, only zimmer babies and quad abusers mad about patch, honest. Missile boats are over, trust me"

[Hikaru]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

PvP is irrelevant, and they are still perfectly viable in PvE. If there is something you thing they are not viable on, please share with the rest of us. Only "Investigate BAWS" comes to mind, and that ALWAYS favored earshot cannons.

Use zimmerman + melee with a med bipedal against ayre or allmind and see what happens. It's a joke.

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Zim is still decent. The main cartoon antics is the fact my old 350 light builds are now perma 370+ speeds.

Every liar who claimed to hate armored core 4 for being "Too fast perma fight gundam garbage" is now trying to defend light biped missile duels where heavies can't reach us in the sky, and quads are too fat and slow to outrun us or catch us.

another reason why zimmermans feel like trash. the meta is now running away like a rat staying max height like you said spamming missiles. The game just isn't worth playing anymore. PvE is boring, PvP is boring. Better to play other games for now.

[nubi]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Zim is still decent. The main cartoon antics is the fact my old 350 light builds are now perma 370+ speeds.

Every liar who claimed to hate armored core 4 for being "Too fast perma fight gundam garbage" is now trying to defend light biped missile duels where heavies can't reach us in the sky, and quads are too fat and slow to outrun us or catch us.

AC6 is significantly slower than AC4/4A was, even my LW in Last Raven moves at 450 speed

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Hikaru:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

PvP is irrelevant, and they are still perfectly viable in PvE. If there is something you thing they are not viable on, please share with the rest of us. Only "Investigate BAWS" comes to mind, and that ALWAYS favored earshot cannons.

Use zimmerman + melee with a med bipedal against ayre or allmind and see what happens. It's a joke.

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Zim is still decent. The main cartoon antics is the fact my old 350 light builds are now perma 370+ speeds.

Every liar who claimed to hate armored core 4 for being "Too fast perma fight gundam garbage" is now trying to defend light biped missile duels where heavies can't reach us in the sky, and quads are too fat and slow to outrun us or catch us.

another reason why zimmermans feel like trash. the meta is now running away like a rat staying max height like you said spamming missiles. The game just isn't worth playing anymore. PvE is boring, PvP is boring. Better to play other games for now.

80% of the reason I still use a shotgun half the time, is because of how silly it feels to have me and another mech constantly missing eachother in an attempted rifle duel. "100+ tracking stat, best FCS possible for this range bracket... neither of us are ever hitting eachother okay time to have a psychic agreement to start kicking eachother in three two one go"

So yeah mid range being rough remains true as it was in launch. at least bazookas can actually punish a staggered target or charged shot spammer now.

even when I die, if hit someone at the same time with a bazooka that is worth a giggle.

[Kain]

Haven't tried the new Zimms, but ya, I think the nerf was a bad decision, having said it, I find it hard to believe it would ruin the whole game.

[Hikaru]

Originally posted by Kain:

Haven't tried the new Zimms, but ya, I think the nerf was a bad decision, having said it, I find it hard to believe it would ruin the whole game.

If zimmerman is the only weapon you find to be satisfying in the game, then yeah why wouldn't it ruin the whole game? They didn't add any other meaningful single shot uncharged kinetic weapon that can be used for anything. There are no rail cannons in AC6. There are no sniper cannons or rifles. Linear rifle might as well just be a semi auto rifle with a clunky charge shot.

For me, zimmerman nerf really did ruin the entire game. Missiles are not enjoyable at all to me. There are bazookas, but try using them against a boss like ayre or a pvp player that knows what they are doing.

It is funny how you can literally 3 shot many players with dual majestic and earshot though. Zimmerman was never ever that strong.

Originally posted by ImHelping:

80% of the reason I still use a shotgun half the time, is because of how silly it feels to have me and another mech constantly missing eachother in an attempted rifle duel. "100+ tracking stat, best FCS possible for this range bracket... neither of us are ever hitting eachother okay time to have a psychic agreement to start kicking eachother in three two one go"

So yeah mid range being rough remains true as it was in launch. at least bazookas can actually punish a staggered target or charged shot spammer now.

even when I die, if hit someone at the same time with a bazooka that is worth a giggle.

Use majestic and just spam them up to 150m in pvp. Most players will be unable to dodge them no matter what. It's crazy how easy it is to land them. They are like I said, much stronger than peak zimmerman. The way the meta is going, from software probably going to nerf them too because we can't have the game being fun.

[Rena Ichigawa]

Another whiner that their overtuned weapon is no longer overtuned, and outclassing everthing from cannons, to rifles, to a literal minigun. Im glad zimmerman got nerfed. Thing was stupid strong, and is still powerful. Just not overly so.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Hikaru:

Originally posted by Kain:

Haven't tried the new Zimms, but ya, I think the nerf was a bad decision, having said it, I find it hard to believe it would ruin the whole game.

If zimmerman is the only weapon you find to be satisfying in the game, then yeah why wouldn't it ruin the whole game? They didn't add any other meaningful single shot uncharged kinetic weapon that can be used for anything. There are no rail cannons in AC6. There are no sniper cannons or rifles. Linear rifle might as well just be a semi auto rifle with a clunky charge shot.

For me, zimmerman nerf really did ruin the entire game. Missiles are not enjoyable at all to me. There are bazookas, but try using them against a boss like ayre or a pvp player that knows what they are doing.

It is funny how you can literally 3 shot many players with dual majestic and earshot though. Zimmerman was never ever that strong.

Originally posted by ImHelping:

80% of the reason I still use a shotgun half the time, is because of how silly it feels to have me and another mech constantly missing eachother in an attempted rifle duel. "100+ tracking stat, best FCS possible for this range bracket... neither of us are ever hitting eachother okay time to have a psychic agreement to start kicking eachother in three two one go"

So yeah mid range being rough remains true as it was in launch. at least bazookas can actually punish a staggered target or charged shot spammer now.

even when I die, if hit someone at the same time with a bazooka that is worth a giggle.

Use majestic and just spam them up to 150m in pvp. Most players will be unable to dodge them no matter what. It's crazy how easy it is to land them. They are like I said, much stronger than peak zimmerman. The way the meta is going, from software probably going to nerf them too because we can't have the game being fun.

Bazooka shots still have a "hold on while I lift my gun like an old granny" shot delay, along with stopping you dead to fire for most leg types. Bazookas needed a buff to not be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke because again, you could stagger someone and have them miss when gravity had your target fall under the shell.

spamming them gets you killed. Bazookas work best against idiots that spam heavy shots, actually.

Then again I have noticed lots of trends in games where people who claim to hate a certain playstyle, will turn around and defend it when something that isn't to their tastes is a counter to it.

Hate "charged laser a spam"? Okay punish them with a bazooka now so you can shoot them upside the head when they try to hit your team, or you dodge then return fire while they are recovering from their shot at you. oh you changed your mind guess you love that thing you hate

[Hikaru]

Originally posted by Rena Ichigawa:

Another whiner that their overtuned weapon is no longer overtuned, and outclassing everthing from cannons, to rifles, to a literal minigun. Im glad zimmerman got nerfed. Thing was stupid strong, and is still powerful. Just not overly so.

Meanwhile linear rifle harris can kill an AC without reloading

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Hikaru:

Originally posted by Rena Ichigawa:

Another whiner that their overtuned weapon is no longer overtuned, and outclassing everthing from cannons, to rifles, to a literal minigun. Im glad zimmerman got nerfed. Thing was stupid strong, and is still powerful. Just not overly so.

Meanwhile linear rifle harris can kill an AC without reloading

What, are they just standing there letting you deal with the overheat out of pity, or are you dealing with people somehow playing with 5,000 ap without moving

[Hikaru]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Originally posted by Hikaru:

Meanwhile linear rifle harris can kill an AC without reloading

What, are they just standing there letting you deal with the overheat out of pity, or are you dealing with people somehow playing with 5,000 ap without moving

I mean semi auto without missing shots. Comparing them against any other weapon in game they are very clearly imbalanced yet for some reason they got buffed?

[nubi]

zimmerbabies crying about every other weapon in existence while vehemently trying to defend pre-nerf zimmers will never stop being funny to me, comedy gold.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Hikaru:

Originally posted by Kain:

Haven't tried the new Zimms, but ya, I think the nerf was a bad decision, having said it, I find it hard to believe it would ruin the whole game.

If zimmerman is the only weapon you find to be satisfying in the game, then yeah why wouldn't it ruin the whole game? They didn't add any other meaningful single shot uncharged kinetic weapon that can be used for anything. There are no rail cannons in AC6. There are no sniper cannons or rifles. Linear rifle might as well just be a semi auto rifle with a clunky charge shot.

For me, zimmerman nerf really did ruin the entire game. Missiles are not enjoyable at all to me. There are bazookas, but try using them against a boss like ayre or a pvp player that knows what they are doing.

It is funny how you can literally 3 shot many players with dual majestic and earshot though. Zimmerman was never ever that strong.

Originally posted by ImHelping:

80% of the reason I still use a shotgun half the time, is because of how silly it feels to have me and another mech constantly missing eachother in an attempted rifle duel. "100+ tracking stat, best FCS possible for this range bracket... neither of us are ever hitting eachother okay time to have a psychic agreement to start kicking eachother in three two one go"

So yeah mid range being rough remains true as it was in launch. at least bazookas can actually punish a staggered target or charged shot spammer now.

even when I die, if hit someone at the same time with a bazooka that is worth a giggle.

Use majestic and just spam them up to 150m in pvp. Most players will be unable to dodge them no matter what. It's crazy how easy it is to land them. They are like I said, much stronger than peak zimmerman. The way the meta is going, from software probably going to nerf them too because we can't have the game being fun.

It's kinda rough to like JUST one weapon though.

I mean I thought nerfing Zimm was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ too, but with From there is always a risk. Maybe it's time to try another weapon and see if you like it