Is Ayre stupid?

[Lua]

I've just finished my first playthrough of Armored Core VI Fires of Rubicon and got the "Fires of Raven" ending, where you quasi destroy Rubicon and I've been wondering: Is Ayre like insanely stupid?

Lemme elaborate, so apparently Coral is this super dangerous stuff that nearly ended most of humanity or something like that 50 years ago, and as long as it exist so will greedy corpos that will try everything in their might to get their hands on that stuff like their lives depended on it, so the best ending would just be destroying all Coral right? It's two birds with one stone. But Ayre is like 'We can work together and find a better solution', except that's like incredibly delusional, in what world is there a better way than just getting rid of that stuff.
I get it's something like her people but they and humanity are clearly two conflicting factors, I personally can't help but wonder why anyone would think that coexistence is even an option here, that would be like a Trump fan voting Biden.

Did I miss understand something because it clearly felt like that is the bad ending here, with Raven being called a "Monster", so again is Ayre stupid? Because it sure feels that way.

Please do correct me if I am wrong here, might just be me being the stupid one here.

[Alkan]

I mean, as my interpretation goes, burning the coral would not only result in a much bigger explosion that would not only wipe out the Coral itself, but all of Rubicon, along with all the rubiconians. Also, the corporations being the ones that intend to mis-use it, makes them the real issue. It feels like trying to solve world hunger by wiping out all the hungry, ya know? Not to say that sidin with ayre solves all problems here, but it has the potential to. You're essentially choosing the safe nuclear bomb or the risky revolution of rubicon

[ImHelping]

Ayre does not want to be blown up, people with access to mechs that don't want to be blown up will shoot at you if they think that means they will not blow up.

You can safely ignore any view on videogame morality or plot for this simple, understandable bias of "You are trying to blow me up? Wow, what an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥."

even with her knowing the fact coral when set off can cause a galactic scale self fueling infinite explosion. Which is why the scientist set off the intro movie "oops we burned like... 1/4th? of galactic civilization? it is a bit vague, but it was bad!"You are trying to ram a giant space ship into her planet's face. You'd probably be annoyed too if someone was doing a colony drop on you, if your life meant a 1.7% chance of the whole galaxy exploding.

It might NOT explode. And nobody knew coral could essentially 'wake up' back then. But people love ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around and putting coral into weapons and explosives so the odds go up a LOT if anyone ever gets coral off the planet beyond tiny amounts in old aug cybernetics. (which is why the PCA has orbital lasers shooting things).

You need a lot of it to explode, in space, for the "Oh ♥♥♥♥" cosmic scale fires. But that big giant coral drilling facility iblis was guarding can be hauled into space, which is why the plan is "Ram that ♥♥♥♥ before it leaves orbit"

Which is why Walter came back to rubicon, because he was shipped off world juuuuust before the big space fire. His and Carla's mindset being that burning "A lot" of the galaxy, AGAIN, is less bad than "My math says the alternative is everything on fire, and we all saw that last explosion with only a little coral..."

This is a "It will make sense in context" longtime fanbase detail for later.
Normal mode is "Mech is in park, waiting to be picked up by a crane."
Combat mode, is just putting an armored core into "Even allowed to walk" mode.
Nothing clarifies this since like, forever. Much like how I don't think anything in AC6 outright tells you that MT stands for "Muscle tracer"?

[D. Flame]

Coral did nothing wrong.

[ImHelping]

引用自 D. Flame：

Coral did nothing wrong.

Yeah. The problem asked in the main endings is essentially
"What if crack was magic, had feelings, but you can't possibly stop Florida Man from smoking it by a gas pump across the street from the fireworks factory. As you try to think of a peaceful solution, you hear shouted in the distance Check THIS ♥♥♥♥ out!"

Still, at least the choices in 6 have some actual "Wait hold on-" thought to them compared to past branches.

Compare, "I love the games though" 4 answer.
Which has-
A: Ending bad for everyone.
B: Kill the rich slowly and painfully so everyone else lives.
C: Kill the rich fast, everyone hated that for some reason. Ignore the 'save world now' button like a jerk.

(Which is still infinitely superior to base 4 "Corpo war makes me sad. Robots cause super cancer, which also makes me sad. The end." )

Last raven is a bit of a blur ending in "Your ultimate evolved form still has swords for hands, in spite of spending most of the time flying by the ceiling? Are you stupid?" and wondering why anyone thinks Zinaidinosaur is cool.

[Gerbera]

Coral itself is a sentient race that is being taken advantaged of for their extraordinary properties/capabilities. What humans choose to do with coral (which is mostly evil bs) is what determines what it can do and of course will affect your outlook on it. Best real world example is nuclear energy.



Get to the third ending. That is where your interpretation of what coral is capable of will change since you will see what Ayre was talking about.

[628]

I mean Ayre is the Coral itself and 621 is the first person that could have some conversation with her, yet on the route 621 decides to burn the rest of that in accordance with the will of Walter
There's no wonder she attempts to "live together" and gets hostile once he's trying to kill her

[JustACorpse]

引用自 ImHelping：

引用自 D. Flame：

Coral did nothing wrong.

Yeah. The problem asked in the main endings is essentially
"What if crack was magic, had feelings, but you can't possibly stop Florida Man from smoking it by a gas pump across the street from the fireworks factory. As you try to think of a peaceful solution, you hear shouted in the distance Check THIS ♥♥♥♥ out!"

Still, at least the choices in 6 have some actual "Wait hold on-" thought to them compared to past branches.

Compare, "I love the games though" 4 answer.
Which has-
A: Ending bad for everyone.
B: Kill the rich slowly and painfully so everyone else lives.
C: Kill the rich fast, everyone hated that for some reason. Ignore the 'save world now' button like a jerk.

(Which is still infinitely superior to base 4 "Corpo war makes me sad. Robots cause super cancer, which also makes me sad. The end." )

Last raven is a bit of a blur ending in "Your ultimate evolved form still has swords for hands, in spite of spending most of the time flying by the ceiling? Are you stupid?" and wondering why anyone thinks Zinaidinosaur is cool.

ACfA's endings required a bit of background info. Spoilers for an old game, but whatever: the entire thing was a proxy/fake war. One of the major corporations was backing/directly responsible for ORCA. Everyone on Earth, flying city or no, were dying slowly because Kojima radiation is terrifying. Said corporation wanted to send people to space, but they needed resources and they needed to get rid of the kill satellites. As for why they would do a proxy/fake war? The war in 4 was related to a group of corporations that had ambitions to get into space (they were also the ones employing scorched Earth tactics).

Ending B was their plan. Get the rich and powerful on the ground, and with no kill satellites, going into space is going to be a high priority project. People were going to die, no question, but the goal was not their deaths, just a consequence of how bad the Earth had gotten due to the wars and general mess that the corporations made.

Ending C was Old King pointing out, in his own way, that the thing was a proxy/fake war and that things were being done by half measures because the true leaders of ORCA were the same people they were supposedly rebelling against. Old King then proceeds to have the player demonstrate what he thinks are full measures, and take way too much pleasure in it. There is also a decent chance that the leadership of the corporations were targeted in that attack. Which, as you might imagine, makes the player and Old King high value targets for everyone in said proxy war for different reasons.

I'm not 100% sure on what motivated Wynne to go rogue in what you call ending A. It has been awhile.

Oh, there is another point I forgot. The corporations that backed the plan to go to space? It was all about profit. They were the ones poised to actually take advantage of a real push into space after everyone else gave up on it.

[Stephetheon]

What if ALLMIND is what's left of Walter's mom?

[D. Flame]

引用自 Stephetheon：

What if ALLMIND is what's left of Walter's mom?

All Mind is just an AI that got told to assist and help mercenaries.

Then she hallucinated that that meant she should evolve mercenaries into hybrid coral beings, like Ayre, to make the better soldiers.

[ImHelping]

引用自 JustACorpse：

引用自 ImHelping：

Yeah. The problem asked in the main endings is essentially
"What if crack was magic, had feelings, but you can't possibly stop Florida Man from smoking it by a gas pump across the street from the fireworks factory. As you try to think of a peaceful solution, you hear shouted in the distance Check THIS ♥♥♥♥ out!"

Still, at least the choices in 6 have some actual "Wait hold on-" thought to them compared to past branches.

Compare, "I love the games though" 4 answer.
Which has-
A: Ending bad for everyone.
B: Kill the rich slowly and painfully so everyone else lives.
C: Kill the rich fast, everyone hated that for some reason. Ignore the 'save world now' button like a jerk.

(Which is still infinitely superior to base 4 "Corpo war makes me sad. Robots cause super cancer, which also makes me sad. The end." )

Last raven is a bit of a blur ending in "Your ultimate evolved form still has swords for hands, in spite of spending most of the time flying by the ceiling? Are you stupid?" and wondering why anyone thinks Zinaidinosaur is cool.

ACfA's endings required a bit of background info. Spoilers for an old game, but whatever: the entire thing was a proxy/fake war. One of the major corporations was backing/directly responsible for ORCA. Everyone on Earth, flying city or no, were dying slowly because Kojima radiation is terrifying. Said corporation wanted to send people to space, but they needed resources and they needed to get rid of the kill satellites. As for why they would do a proxy/fake war? The war in 4 was related to a group of corporations that had ambitions to get into space (they were also the ones employing scorched Earth tactics).

Ending B was their plan. Get the rich and powerful on the ground, and with no kill satellites, going into space is going to be a high priority project. People were going to die, no question, but the goal was not their deaths, just a consequence of how bad the Earth had gotten due to the wars and general mess that the corporations made.

Ending C was Old King pointing out, in his own way, that the thing was a proxy/fake war and that things were being done by half measures because the true leaders of ORCA were the same people they were supposedly rebelling against. Old King then proceeds to have the player demonstrate what he thinks are full measures, and take way too much pleasure in it. There is also a decent chance that the leadership of the corporations were targeted in that attack. Which, as you might imagine, makes the player and Old King high value targets for everyone in said proxy war for different reasons.

I'm not 100% sure on what motivated Wynne to go rogue in what you call ending A. It has been awhile.

Oh, there is another point I forgot. The corporations that backed the plan to go to space? It was all about profit. They were the ones poised to actually take advantage of a real push into space after everyone else gave up on it.

I appreciate your full summary of the AC4A plotlines. It still has a much more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ final boss in the 3rd path because that is "Fight every ace AC unit in the world at the same time" in a setting where they laugh at what AC6 players call "Too fast sky kites"

EDIT: I just realized you mentioned the death satellites. Hah

But yeah. That is why saving earth needs you to bring down the sky arcs.

The massive remote power facilities sending power to the arcs, are the only way to power enough anti-orbital lasers to take out the self replicating death satellite in one shot. Before sci-fi particles finish killing earth.

Ending B has Orca smile for the camera saying "Gosh, those sure are some hard choices we had to make as handsome freedom fighters" while you get a cutscene of the sky arc citizens literally choking to death on poor people air when they take over, and save humanity as a happy side effect.

And ending C is "We can't get good PR for making 'hard choices!' if your partner is shouting on camera '10 million! 20 million! 30 million! You are so good at killing people!'" for Orca. Which is why they join up on the 'Every Ace AC pilot tries to kill you at the same time' finale.

[thorin.hannahs]

I'm just glad that my fellow genocidal galaxy burners are still around. Ayre is stupid if wanting to live is stupid. Overcoming the will to live is a hell of a thing.

[Blackmage]

Coral is life, but it is not life as we know it. It's like a collective consciousness and awareness. Killing coral is basically murder. Destroying all of the coral is genocide. And you decimate an entire planet in the process as the cherry on top. That's why it's the bad end.

Ayre says "we can coexist." You say it's delusional, and make a comparison to the current political climate, without even considering the possibility.
Once upon a time, people didn't think white and black people could coexist.
According to your logic here, it would have been better if Lincoln had killed all the black people in the world to deny slave owners of the Confederacy any possibility of having their slave economy. Obviously that would be unacceptable, and Lincoln would have been considered the most monstrous president in US history.

[ImHelping]

Please stop getting so mad about multiple videogame endings involving fictional lifeforms you compare it to real life events. It never helps.

Another moment brought to you by "Why do people keep calling fallout fans bad when they keep using the same arguments as fallout fans for their favorite ending slides?"

[k-ricks]

she just talking whatever that will get to their ultimate goal come true the 3rd ending
just like when she told you to get into the railgun to cross the ocean

[Kain]

I don't think it's stupid to work so her species can survive. It's like saying humans are stupid because they are ruining the planet and yet refuse to just die even though it would be better for the planet.