All I think everytime Rusty calls me buddy

[R for Reload]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_vGJovd38
he's a scumbag.

[Belmont]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by R for Reload:

>He attempts to kill you in every single play through in the caverns.
Unless it changes if you go after the redguns.

I almost forgot that.
He's just testing you out, if you are too weak, you are dead.

"They played both of us"

621 was doing a survey and the Vespers sent Rusty to intercept. He does however test your resolve partway through.

Originally posted by R for Reload:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

I almost forgot that.
He's just testing you out, if you are too weak, you are dead.

No, He got sent on a mission
Also how come every NPC is allowed to withdraw but you aren't

You can withdraw. Lose to Alt Attack the Dam Complex and they keep you alive.
Also, Rusty seems to have been sent under false pretenses and was the one pilot who saw first hand how you fought, was A+ grade potential in the ALLMIND simulations ranking, and had the personality profile to contest with 621's (resolute preachy MC vs mute lost protag)

During the Alt mission, thumb also acknowledges how much of a threat 621 will be and assists Rusty, meaning he probably underestimated/expected something different. I can't go into the game rn to find quotes, but I think this is the gist of it.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by Belmont:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

I almost forgot that.
He's just testing you out, if you are too weak, you are dead.

"They played both of us"

621 was doing a survey and the Vespers sent Rusty to intercept. He does however test your resolve partway through.

Originally posted by R for Reload:

No, He got sent on a mission
Also how come every NPC is allowed to withdraw but you aren't

You can withdraw. Lose to Alt Attack the Dam Complex and they keep you alive.
Also, Rusty seems to have been sent under false pretenses and was the one pilot who saw first hand how you fought, was A+ grade potential in the ALLMIND simulations ranking, and had the personality profile to contest with 621's (resolute preachy MC vs mute lost protag)

During the Alt mission, thumb also acknowledges how much of a threat 621 will be and assists Rusty, meaning he probably underestimated/expected something different. I can't go into the game rn to find quotes, but I think this is the gist of it.

I did lose the alt attack at the dam complex.
Still just a death screen.

[TheBuddyPal]

But I AM Buddy.

[ToJKa]

From the moment he showed up, i was thinking of him as Solo Wing Pixy from Ace Combat Zero (he earned that named by succesfully landing a F-15 with a missing wing). That constant "buddy" just reinforced that, and as it turned out, the story ended pretty much the same too.

Though the music was not nearly as awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfDdZwo-hI

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by ToJKa:

From the moment he showed up, i was thinking of him as Solo Wing Pixy from Ace Combat Zero (he earned that named by succesfully landing a F-15 with a missing wing). That constant "buddy" just reinforced that, and as it turned out, the story ended pretty much the same too.

Though the music was not nearly as awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfDdZwo-hI

I was actually expecting him to be kind of a bastard or a Char-like character, kinda like how Iguazu turns out to be, but he's a just bro thorough.

[ToJKa]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by ToJKa:

From the moment he showed up, i was thinking of him as Solo Wing Pixy from Ace Combat Zero (he earned that named by succesfully landing a F-15 with a missing wing). That constant "buddy" just reinforced that, and as it turned out, the story ended pretty much the same too.

Though the music was not nearly as awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfDdZwo-hI

I was actually expecting him to be kind of a bastard or a Char-like character, kinda like how Iguazu turns out to be, but he's a just bro thorough.

Yeah, i much preferred the ending where you fight with him, instead of against him.

Also, nice detail how the wolf in his emblem is muzzled when you first see him, and free when you see him at the end.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by ToJKa:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

I was actually expecting him to be kind of a bastard or a Char-like character, kinda like how Iguazu turns out to be, but he's a just bro thorough.

Yeah, i much preferred the ending where you fight with him, instead of against him.

Also, nice detail how the wolf in his emblem is muzzled when you first see him, and free when you see him at the end.

This game and these little details man.
They care.

[Outsider]

Bad translation.
He calls you "comrade" in japanese, which inherently implies possibility of a situation where you get to kill one another, without any hard feelings, since you're mercenaries.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by Outsider:

Bad translation.
He calls you "comrade" in japanese, which inherently implies possibility of a situation where you get to kill one another, without any hard feelings, since you're mercenaries.

Yeah, it's "Senyuu" 戦勇 isn't? Perhaps they don't choose comrade because it sounds communist in western circle.

[Martial Autist]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

But he is your buddy? He fights alongside you several times and even tries to help you out behind the scenes sometimes too.

He fights you one time because he was told by his superiors to do so, and he didn't know 621 was going to be his opponent. Just "kill the other mercenary in the cave." by his own admission.

But then he sees you are the one he was sent to kill and he still gives it his best shot instead of just noping tf out because he got played by arquebus. Canonically the player wins and rusty escapes, but gameplay shows if 621 was caught slacking for even a moment he'd be dead. I think it may be a translation issue and he's using buddy as a more general term as you have fought on the same side once. (debatable since we were intended to be a sacrificial pawn, which I suspect rusty knew about when he ditched us).

Either way he shows in chapter 4 that there is no real loyalty as should be implied by a declaration of friendship. Which just leads me down the line of reasoning of it being a more general term. Kind of war buddies but also still potential enemies as is the status quo on rubicon. So not much different from any other AC pilot there. And the caverns missions seems to affirm this.

My honest reaction during the liberator final missions was "Ayre you did WHAT?" when I saw she invited rusty. He's a really cool character ngl, but in-character I always side-eye him. x'D

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

But he calls you 戦友, which basically translates to something along the lines of "foxhole comrade" and it's a reference to how you two bonded on the battlefield by overcoming a difficult mission together

[Belmont]

Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

But he calls you 戦友, which basically translates to something along the lines of "foxhole comrade" and it's a reference to how you two bonded on the battlefield by overcoming a difficult mission together

Sounds similar to the cringe term in the military Battle Buddy. lol but tbh, perhaps it really is a nod to Pixy.

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

Originally posted by Belmont:

Sounds similar to the cringe term in the military Battle Buddy.

Might be what the translators were thinking of when they decided to go with that for the foreign version. Either way though, it definitely loses a bit of the nuance.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by Outsider:

Bad translation.
He calls you "comrade" in japanese, which inherently implies possibility of a situation where you get to kill one another, without any hard feelings, since you're mercenaries.

would of been way better.
I think the reason they changed to to buddy is to build a rapport with the player even know its demeaning.
having someone call you comrade is doesn't feel as emotionally connecting.

[Kensei]

"Good job little buddy"