Is it just me or do all the Machine Guns suck?

[Shitbug]

Even after the buff I feel like I have to work so much harder to damage/impact with them especially since the range is pretty short. After trying out the laser handguns and the ducket/coquillet I don't get what purpose the linear/assault rifles serve. I especially DO NOT understand why I have to stop to use the charge attack on them.

[insufferable-child]

they work well for clearing trash without burning all your ammo a la shotties, especially before your core upgrades buff damage output.

[Aldain]

So do you mean the actual Machine Guns or the Assault/Linear Rifles?

Because for the latter yeah they're kind of mid at best and bad at worst for no real reason.

But the actual Machine Guns are pretty good now, solid DPS and Stagger buildup with decent ammo supply.

[nubi]

They are OK, they just get heavily out classed by the Zimmerman, Huxleys are very good and don't compete with Zimmerman.

[SCamp]

All of the SMGs are good.

Both of the basic ARs are OK.

The Burst AR is some crap middle-ground. Just use anything else. If you need some sort of burst-fire automatic weapon, then use the burst-fire SMGs as they are amazing.
(The RF version that fires single shots and fires burst on charge is really, really good)

[Call Sign: Raven]

I've got machine guns on about 10 of my builds, so no. They don't suck, just have to have the right setup.

Their main weakness is recoil. You're going to want to have arms with at least 135 recoil control so that they don't miss 70% of their shots. This is assuming you are dual-wielding them; you don't need that much if you are wielding a single MG. Once you solve this, you should see a difference.

Linear rifles are overshadowed by dual Ransetsu RFs, those are the only viable choice in that line of weapon, right now. They seem to run better on quad legs or tank treads. The Curtis and Harris both suffer from horrendous recoil, so I find myself not really using them.

[Young Erusean Officer]

Even if they made the burst for ARs not stopping you moving for meds and light builds, they'd still be crap.

[MadArtillery]

Chang Chen is a mighty weapon, Etjsuin, ludlow also amaizing. Projectile speed buffs were spicy.

[C4NNED]

The machine guns do suck for PVP. Me not gonna is the only viable rapid fire option

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Even after the buff I feel like I have to work so much harder to damage/impact with them especially since the range is pretty short. After trying out the laser handguns and the ducket/coquillet I don't get what purpose the linear/assault rifles serve. I especially DO NOT understand why I have to stop to use the charge attack on them.

Machine guns are great for taking out drones and MTs in a cost efficient way while still being strong enough to apply pressure to bosses. Assault Rifles are still mostly bad, but the Linear Rifles are great, especially if you use them with 4-legged frames since they don't need to stop to fire a charge shot.

[froggsbee]

They're ok with certain builds, rifles really suck. A lot of missiles do too. Everything is the opposite of previous AC gens. Actually the shotguns kind of suck too except the zimmermans. The zimmermans make a lot of the other firearms obsolete

[insufferable-child]

Originally posted by Froggsbee:

They're ok with certain builds, rifles really suck. A lot of missiles do too. Everything is the opposite of previous AC gens. Actually the shotguns kind of suck too except the zimmermans. The zimmermans make a lot of the other firearms obsolete

every single shotgun except the spas-12alike are great, actually. zimmer's place in the meta is overstated by their early unlock.

[Belmont]

Originally posted by Call Sign: Raven:

I've got machine guns on about 10 of my builds, so no. They don't suck, just have to have the right setup.

Their main weakness is recoil. You're going to want to have arms with at least 135 recoil control so that they don't miss 70% of their shots. This is assuming you are dual-wielding them; you don't need that much if you are wielding a single MG. Once you solve this, you should see a difference.

Linear rifles are overshadowed by dual Ransetsu RFs, those are the only viable choice in that line of weapon, right now. They seem to run better on quad legs or tank treads. The Curtis and Harris both suffer from horrendous recoil, so I find myself not really using them.

they can be knock-off burst smgs with bad recoil control though, and if you have better arm load it also mitigates that

[Belmont]

Also the SMGs are subweapons, they're there to help fill gaps in weapon slots when meeting load limits and are more for suppression aka keeping the ACS gauge filled/applying reliable damage over time for barriers/tougher targets.

[ImHelping]

All the MG are better against boss pulse shields than multiple pulse weapons. They are also better against player pulse shield (not terminal armor) because they won't overheat in 0.7 seconds.

Though even with the patch, the don't hold up for actually pushing a target over the edge and suffer from "So I got them to 99.99% stagger or 1% health, but for some reason the next five magazines with enough recoil control to keep them perfectly accurate isn't finishing the job."

really, really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ good against pulse shields though. Like, S rank final boss with a single MG after throwing pulse cannons in the garbage good. and reloads are faster than minigun cooldown. Oh my god the amount of pulse armors ripped to shreds by a single MG.

One real mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥ though is the game has a fancy term for dual wielding them, double trigger. But that just reduces them to horror show accuracy even with beefy arms.

Meanwhile a single starter MG (if you don't shoot anything else) has perfect accuracy with Melander arms. And a single box fed mag will be accurate for half the mag with melander, near perfect all 45 ammo with any of the extra recoil control arms.

The burst MG is surprisingly garbage in spite of being great on paper. PvP people with their back turned are dodging on accident which at least 100% full auto can sometimes cover for. PvE it seems even trash threat assesses them higher. So fodder that will sit there and take it from a full auto MG will side hop out of the way of burst fire a lot.

[Naqel]

In PvP, everything that isn't a single shot weapon will suck.

There is only a very small number of exceptions, and automatic balistic weapons are not it.