Anyone else thought 621 became a weak Newtype from gundam?

[MSgt Peterson]

Ever since you met Ayre, I've always came the conclusion that 621 essentially a Newtype from MSG, specifically a weak one without the BS newtype magic, prob a one like Armuro or my sister, Char(Not kidding XD). 621 clearly the reflexes of one, though it's difficult to say If his connection to the coral effects his reflexes more than his argumentation, and that clearly, you can telepathically speak to the souls of the deceased, that being Ayre, like Kamille did in Z. AC always had Cyber Newtypes in some way, but it's neat they decided to go just the newtype route instead this time.

[ImHelping]

I mean, the real newtypes are NPC because they can cancel out of attacks when they sense danger that you can't.

621 gets the basic pilot package and a voice in his head saying "Watch out! you already lost half of your health to this boss! Stop dying!"

Walter gets to cancel out of his big beam attack to avoid being shot by a bazooka. Most ass backwards way I have gotten an S rank yet was by knowing he would abuse that fact to force him to cancel out of an attack that in PvP means free hits on a player stuck in.

[nubi]

You do know you can cancel out of stance/charge and melee attacks yourself right? you can also cancel out of the coral rifle beam at any point too....

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by nubi:

You do know you can cancel out of stance/charge and melee attacks yourself right? you can also cancel out of the coral rifle beam at any point too....

You'd think with how often people cry those are overpowered in PVP, that more people would be doing it instead of eating shots to the face like morons.

Maybe you should tell them to Git gud?

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

I thought the game was about robots shooting bazookas and plasma cannons

[Waa7g8]

no

[Kain]

In a sense, both are the supposed next steps in evolution fueled by mystical cosmic energy

[hakabata]

Well, I guess we can invent some lore and shat to self-explain our remarkable deeds done as protagonists. I don't give a dime about those things to be honest. We are the Newtype, doom guys , gordon freemen or whatever incarnatable death. The rest is just dust.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by hakabata:

Well, I guess we can invent some lore and shat to self-explain our remarkable deeds done as protagonists. I don't give a dime about those things to be honest. We are the Newtype, doom guys , gordon freemen or whatever incarnatable death. The rest is just dust.

Honestly the main recurring trend in pilots for AC is "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ automated weapon systems and/or AI puppermaster ♥♥♥♥♥♥ around and found out"

AC1 era: Violent AI thinks trying to screw you over is a brilliant plan, acts surprised by results. Phantasma says "What if I BECOME the computer?... I'm Dying!?"

AC2: All the martians are dead and left behind automated weapons. Surely this will go great for me, antagonist man-oh no. Guest starring ♥♥♥♥♥ slapping nineball again.

AC3: A long series of spin kicking AI so hard we gave them a pity "Fade to black to credits" in Nexus because even in a sequel hook AI can't kill you right.

A4: "Death satellites are lucky I can't go up there and shoot them myself so they end up like all the AI machines I already killed"

AC5 era: "Oh wow look at that more automated idiots."

AC6: "Not even the singularity will save you from learning that 'commencing hostilities' never ends well"

Put an AC pilot in rookie joke parts into any series with AI or automated weapons or robo aliens and they will make even the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reality warping figuratively or literally Gundam look incompetent. Because AC protagonist get an x1,000 efficiency multiplier against unmanned machines even when the main plot is screaming how dangerous they are.

[REhorror]

Raven is an Augmented human, specifically with Coral booster, so he can be counted as a Cyber Newtype.
Tho, nothing in the game shows any superhuman feat tho, aside from maybe his ability to handle G strain at hard turns.
Weak Newtype has the ability to dodge things on pure-reaction, well, you are still manually dodging in this game.

[Tustle]

In my head, 621 and other Gen 4/earlier generation Augmented Humans are all essentially Warhammer 40K Dreadnoughts, basically brains/half-dead cadavers in armored boxes hooked up to sensor cables and data lines in order to control a humanoid robotic war machine. The shot between Chapter 4 and 5 when 621 is being loaded into the Jailbreak AC is then from the perspective of RaD operatives hoisting the poor pilot into that poor hunk of near junk.

I also still laugh trying to picture what happens when Arquebus operatives open up 621's AC and either find them missing, or find a pile of pillows with a smiley face drawn on the top one. ("Prisoners are not allowed to take potty breaks, you fools!")

Meanwhile Ayre and Coral in general are the Machine Spirits the Deus Mechanicus have been consorting with all this time. Embrace the coming of the Machine God, brothers and sisters.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Tustle:

In my head, 621 and other Gen 4/earlier generation Augmented Humans are all essentially Warhammer 40K Dreadnoughts, basically brains/half-dead cadavers in armored boxes hooked up to sensor cables and data lines in order to control a humanoid robotic war machine. The shot between Chapter 4 and 5 when 621 is being loaded into the Jailbreak AC is then from the perspective of RaD operatives hoisting the poor pilot into that poor hunk of near junk.

I also still laugh trying to picture what happens when Arquebus operatives open up 621's AC and either find them missing, or find a pile of pillows with a smiley face drawn on the top one. ("Prisoners are not allowed to take potty breaks, you fools!")

Meanwhile Ayre and Coral in general are the Machine Spirits the Deus Mechanicus have been consorting with all this time. Embrace the coming of the Machine God, brothers and sisters.

Hmm, it's more like Raven was crawling to the Jailbreak AC, me think.
But yeah, it's canon that Raven lacks human body function, like the starting goal of the game is getting enough money to become a human again.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Hmm, it's more like Raven was crawling to the Jailbreak AC, me think.
But yeah, it's canon that Raven lacks human body function, like the starting goal of the game is getting enough money to become a human again.

Judging by the camera angle in that scene I think it's a bit more "Limping using the wall as support" or something like that than crawling, and 621 would also have to have some semblance of ambulation capability to get into the Jailbreak in the first place so I'd guess that would imply a bit more than dragging oneself on the floor.

I think the augmented human thing might be in a fashion of hyper-specializing the motor skills for piloting via cybernetics, thereby limiting control one would have to perform more basic functions like walking/running than full bionic integration, not to mention the hardware also probably is hampering such things due to possible weight increases (without improvements to the pilot's frame to match).

But it's so left up to interpretation that the only thing we're certain of is that 621 does have a semi-mobile body of some sort, as otherwise there would have been no realistic way for them to enter the Jailbreak if it were just brain uploading.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Judging by the camera angle in that scene I think it's a bit more "Limping using the wall as support" or something like that than crawling, and 621 would also have to have some semblance of ambulation capability to get into the Jailbreak in the first place so I'd guess that would imply a bit more than dragging oneself on the floor.

I think the augmented human thing might be in a fashion of hyper-specializing the motor skills for piloting via cybernetics, thereby limiting control one would have to perform more basic functions like walking/running than full bionic integration, not to mention the hardware also probably is hampering such things due to possible weight increases (without improvements to the pilot's frame to match).

But it's so left up to interpretation that the only thing we're certain of is that 621 does have a semi-mobile body of some sort, as otherwise there would have been no realistic way for them to enter the Jailbreak if it were just brain uploading.

It could be Ayre help by hacking/interfacing the Jailbreak AC and help put Raven in.
After all, AC has an autopilot mode.

Anyway, there's a lot of interpretation on that scene going, might be waiting for the Perfect Artwork for it to be a bit clearer.

Either ways, I'm in the belief that Raven lacks normal human body functions since you never see him far away from the AC, even in the Garage.

EDIT: And you never see N. Raven either! Even in the BRANCH picture where you see N. Raven's Operator, Chartleurse and King who are fully human, you never see N. Raven, which I assume because he's also like 621/our Raven, an Augmented human lacking out-of-cockpit bodily function.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by REhorror:

EDIT: And you never see N. Raven either! Even in the BRANCH picture where you see N. Raven's Operator, Chartleurse and King who are fully human, you never see N. Raven, which I assume because he's also like 621/our Raven.

Oh, I just had a strange thought.

What if N. Raven is actually a Coral entity or something, like an inverse of 621 and Ayre's situation? Only in Contact with the operator which would explain why we never hear a voice despite the operator hearing them clearly.

We already know that Ayre can control an AC despite being non-corporeal, that could also explain how that specific Raven survives having their AC wrecked (possibly twice if we consider the wreck we find the Raven callsign in if we assume it was somehow the same pilot "faking" a death).

Maybe I'm just grasping at straws I only pulled out of my head, but I think that could be an interesting parallel if true.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Originally posted by REhorror:

EDIT: And you never see N. Raven either! Even in the BRANCH picture where you see N. Raven's Operator, Chartleurse and King who are fully human, you never see N. Raven, which I assume because he's also like 621/our Raven.

Oh, I just had a strange thought.

What if N. Raven is actually a Coral entity or something, like an inverse of 621 and Ayre's situation? Only in Contact with the operator which would explain why we never hear a voice despite the operator hearing them clearly.

We already know that Ayre can control an AC despite being non-corporeal, that could also explain how that specific Raven survives having their AC wrecked (possibly twice if we consider the wreck we find the Raven callsign in if we assume it was somehow the same pilot "faking" a death).

Maybe I'm just grasping at straws I only pulled out of my head, but I think that could be an interesting parallel if true.

Bro, there's an even better theory of who N. Raven is, and I consider it canon, due to the dialogs and the parts Nightfall is made of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YkCKpV6Ziw

And yes, I cry errytimes when I watch the video.