Why aren't they making a new King's Field instead?

[Soaring_Soul]

Elden Ring? Dark Souls? Sekiro? Bloodborne!? Nah. Fromsoft needs to bring back their real flagship series, the origin of THE Moonlight Greatsword, King's Field.

Wait, this is an Armored Core game? A Fromsoft game almost as old as King's Field, and has a rich history of games (16 of them not counting the mobile games), and fills a hard to find niche?

While a new Kingsfield would be wild and greatly appreciated, Armored Core fans rightfully deserve a new entry in the series after 10 years of no new games. Souls fans have easy access to all of Dark Souls and Sekiro on PC and Console, Bloodborne playable on PS4 and 5, AND just got a newish souls like in Elden Ring with DLC on the way. Chill out.

But still, imagine a modern Fromsoft King's Field...

[Khorneflakes]

Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Elden Ring ARE the King's Field, they are all spiritual successors of that game, there is no need to make new King's Field because you already have 5 of them.
Sekiro and Bloodborne did not count because they have different setting.

[DrWilyeCoyote]

Originally posted by Khorneflakes:

Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Elden Ring ARE the King's Field, they are all spiritual successors of that game, there is no need to make new King's Field because you already have 5 of them.
Sekiro and Bloodborne did not count because they have different setting.

A setting does not make a game, or otherwise all soulslikes are really just ultima...

op is talking about a fantasy game that isnt dark fantasy.

[The Colour Rose]

Originally posted by Soaring_Soul:

Elden Ring? Dark Souls? Sekiro? Bloodborne!? Nah. Fromsoft needs to bring back their real flagship series, the origin of THE Moonlight Greatsword, King's Field.

Wait, this is an Armored Core game? A Fromsoft game almost as old as King's Field, and has a rich history of games (16 of them not counting the mobile games), and fills a hard to find niche?

While a new Kingsfield would be wild and greatly appreciated, Armored Core fans rightfully deserve a new entry in the series after 10 years of no new games. Souls fans have easy access to all of Dark Souls and Sekiro on PC and Console, Bloodborne playable on PS4 and 5, AND just got a newish souls like in Elden Ring with DLC on the way. Chill out.

But still, imagine a modern Fromsoft King's Field...

Ive been waiting for most my life for an armored core game so im glad its getting some attention

[ifyucantbeatmexd]

if the credits are to be believed then the founder of FS and the creator of the KF seriers, naotoshi zin, still works there (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1451767/), in a supervisory role. guy gets almost no credit lol, but i would love for him to push for a new KF game. i dont trust some of the credits on that site though, like i find it hard to believe he supervised the development of demon's souls remake

[Call Sign: Raven]

Originally posted by DrWilyeCoyote:

Originally posted by Khorneflakes:

Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Elden Ring ARE the King's Field, they are all spiritual successors of that game, there is no need to make new King's Field because you already have 5 of them.
Sekiro and Bloodborne did not count because they have different setting.

A setting does not make a game, or otherwise all soulslikes are really just ultima...

op is talking about a fantasy game that isnt dark fantasy.

The setting, or time and place, don't make a game? What? First I've heard someone say that. Ultima has nothing to do with these games; separate time, separate place.

King's Field shares very little in common with later Fromsoft games, so it would be nice to see a modern, first person KF game from their current studio on modern hardware.

[Nightmarian]

Because King's Field was pretty bad and it's actually surprising they got to five or however many they popped out.

Armored Core, for all its flaws, was what actually kept FromSoftware afloat for a while as well as some random jank games like Eternal Ring.

Originally posted by Khorneflakes:

Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Elden Ring ARE the King's Field, they are all spiritual successors of that game, there is no need to make new King's Field because you already have 5 of them.
Sekiro and Bloodborne did not count because they have different setting.

This just tells me you don't know anything about King's Field. While ---FROMSOFT's--- dna is defnitely found in King's Field, just like it is in Armored Core and their other games like Eternal Ring, King's Field has absolutely nothing to do with soulsborne and doing Miyazaki dirty like that is heartless of you.

[Plus Escapee]

I enjoyed King's Field, but I am satisfied with the third-person dungeon crawlers that seem like loose descendants from that ancient Playstation release title. The dark fantasy genre has become Fromsoftware's forte, for sure, so it's no wonder King's Field was their Playstation premiere. It is also important to note that some Demon Souls titles are done in the King's Field first-person style and were similarly difficult. I was not fond of Eternal Ring in the least, although it is worth mentioning because it is very similar in play style and somewhat similar visually.

Although I dislike first person RPGs (Elder Scrolls, Thief, Minecraft) and much prefer the third-person action style (PSO2, DMC3, Monster Hunter, Sekiro), I would love to see a reboot of King's Field for it's bizarre lore and hostile environment even if it were first person.

With that said, if my nickname doesn't make it obvious enough, my favorite series of all time is Armored Core, and I am thrilled to see it return.

[ifyucantbeatmexd]

Originally posted by Nightmarian:

Because King's Field was pretty bad and it's actually surprising they got to five or however many they popped out.

Armored Core, for all its flaws, was what actually kept FromSoftware afloat for a while as well as some random jank games like Eternal Ring.

Originally posted by Khorneflakes:

Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Elden Ring ARE the King's Field, they are all spiritual successors of that game, there is no need to make new King's Field because you already have 5 of them.
Sekiro and Bloodborne did not count because they have different setting.

This just tells me you don't know anything about King's Field. While ---FROMSOFT's--- dna is defnitely found in King's Field, just like it is in Armored Core and their other games like Eternal Ring, King's Field has absolutely nothing to do with soulsborne and doing Miyazaki dirty like that is heartless of you.

i disagree. what became demon's souls was initially conceived as a new king's field title. the sony producer who approached fromsoftware with the idea of creating a competitor to bethesda's TES IV: oblivion, was a big king's field fan. we dont exactly know the details of the development process but it's not hard to imagine some or many of the ideas from king's field when into the creation of demon's souls, even when miyazaki took over the initially failing project. he himself was a big king's field fan and he's working at the literal company that created it. ive played all the king's field and shadow tower games and i think they're amazing. playing these games, you can defnitely tell where fromsoftware developed their famous level design skills
king's field was initially very successful (more so than they even anticipated). king's field 4 is ridiculous in terms of the work they put into it. were they all successful, no, could they have survived in a japanese final fantasy-type jrpg dominated market, with demon's souls they created the spiritual continuation of the souls games. many references exists as well as the combat being strongly influenced by KF (circle strafe poking). the original KF 1 i wouldnt recommend bc it's rough, but KF2 is nothing short of an achievement on the psx. from there it just gets better

[Call Sign: Raven]

Originally posted by ifyucantbeatmexd:

Originally posted by Nightmarian:

Because King's Field was pretty bad and it's actually surprising they got to five or however many they popped out.

Armored Core, for all its flaws, was what actually kept FromSoftware afloat for a while as well as some random jank games like Eternal Ring.



This just tells me you don't know anything about King's Field. While ---FROMSOFT's--- dna is defnitely found in King's Field, just like it is in Armored Core and their other games like Eternal Ring, King's Field has absolutely nothing to do with soulsborne and doing Miyazaki dirty like that is heartless of you.

i disagree. what became demon's souls was initially conceived as a new king's field title. the sony producer who approached fromsoftware with the idea of creating a competitor to bethesda's TES IV: oblivion, was a big king's field fan. we dont exactly know the details of the development process but it's not hard to imagine some or many of the ideas from king's field when into the creation of demon's souls, even when miyazaki took over the initially failing project. he himself was a big king's field fan and he's working at the literal company that created it. ive played all the king's field and shadow tower games and i think they're amazing. playing these games, you can defnitely tell where fromsoftware developed their famous level design skills
king's field was initially very successful (more so than they even anticipated). king's field 4 is ridiculous in terms of the work they put into it. were they all successful, no, could they have survived in a japanese final fantasy-type jrpg dominated market, with demon's souls they created the spiritual continuation of the souls games. many references exists as well as the combat being strongly influenced by KF (circle strafe poking). the original KF 1 i wouldnt recommend bc it's rough, but KF2 is nothing short of an achievement on the psx. from there it just gets better

Being a fan of a thing seems like a separate conversation when you compare to the two finished products.

[k-ricks]

Elden King's Field

[Nightmarian]

Originally posted by ifyucantbeatmexd:

Originally posted by Nightmarian:

Because King's Field was pretty bad and it's actually surprising they got to five or however many they popped out.

Armored Core, for all its flaws, was what actually kept FromSoftware afloat for a while as well as some random jank games like Eternal Ring.



This just tells me you don't know anything about King's Field. While ---FROMSOFT's--- dna is defnitely found in King's Field, just like it is in Armored Core and their other games like Eternal Ring, King's Field has absolutely nothing to do with soulsborne and doing Miyazaki dirty like that is heartless of you.

i disagree. what became demon's souls was initially conceived as a new king's field title. the sony producer who approached fromsoftware with the idea of creating a competitor to bethesda's TES IV: oblivion, was a big king's field fan. we dont exactly know the details of the development process but it's not hard to imagine some or many of the ideas from king's field when into the creation of demon's souls, even when miyazaki took over the initially failing project. he himself was a big king's field fan and he's working at the literal company that created it. ive played all the king's field and shadow tower games and i think they're amazing. playing these games, you can defnitely tell where fromsoftware developed their famous level design skills
king's field was initially very successful (more so than they even anticipated). king's field 4 is ridiculous in terms of the work they put into it. were they all successful, no, could they have survived in a japanese final fantasy-type jrpg dominated market, with demon's souls they created the spiritual continuation of the souls games. many references exists as well as the combat being strongly influenced by KF (circle strafe poking). the original KF 1 i wouldnt recommend bc it's rough, but KF2 is nothing short of an achievement on the psx. from there it just gets better

No, they were figuring out what to make and CONSIDERED making a King's Field, but they DIDN'T. That's why Demon's Souls isn't King's Field, derp derp. They didn't , because King's Field hadn't done as well as Armored Core, not even close, and they knew it would fail against Elder Scrolls which is why they abandoned King's Field as a series (WHICH MEANS CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS) and made a completely new game. It was never said to be a rehashed King's Field game and there is zero evidence of that, only that they briefly considered making a new KF.

Miyazaki was a nobody then that they gave a chance on, he said no, King's Field is terrible, imma make something better. They have literally nothing to do with each other outside of Fromsoft's DNA. They don't share any worlds, stories, or mechanics.

You can pretend and "imagine" ideas from King's Field all you want, but you'd have to imagine a game that's completely different from what King's Field has always been which makes no sense coming from someone who supposedly played all of them.

Again, all I'm hearing is that you don't actually know anything about King's Field. Eternal Ring ironically had more in common with Demon's Souls than King's Field did. The circling strafing is, again, part of From Software's DNA, it's also in Armored Core and once again Eternal Ring, sigh.

Just stop talking, please.

And oh? Many references exist as well? Please do explain on all the many direct, HARD, OBJECTIVE references that have nothing to do with FromSoftware like moonlight blade and EVERYTHING to do with ONLY King's Blade?

I'm waiting.

[Somali Pirate Radio]

"Why aren't they making a new King's Field instead?"

Because they are COWARDS, that's why!

[Outsider]

Dark Souls 2 exists.

[ifyucantbeatmexd]

Originally posted by Nightmarian:

No, they were figuring out what to make and CONSIDERED making a King's Field, but they DIDN'T. That's why Demon's Souls isn't King's Field, derp derp. They didn't , because King's Field hadn't done as well as Armored Core, not even close, and they knew it would fail against Elder Scrolls which is why they abandoned King's Field as a series (WHICH MEANS CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS) and made a completely new game. It was never said to be a rehashed King's Field game and there is zero evidence of that, only that they briefly considered making a new KF.

Miyazaki was a nobody then that they gave a chance on, he said no, King's Field is terrible, imma make something better. They have literally nothing to do with each other outside of Fromsoft's DNA. They don't share any worlds, stories, or mechanics.

You can pretend and "imagine" ideas from King's Field all you want, but you'd have to imagine a game that's completely different from what King's Field has always been which makes no sense coming from someone who supposedly played all of them.

Again, all I'm hearing is that you don't actually know anything about King's Field. Eternal Ring ironically had more in common with Demon's Souls than King's Field did. The circling strafing is, again, part of From Software's DNA, it's also in Armored Core and once again Eternal Ring, sigh.

Just stop talking, please.

And oh? Many references exist as well? Please do explain on all the many direct, HARD, OBJECTIVE references that have nothing to do with FromSoftware like moonlight blade and EVERYTHING to do with ONLY King's Blade?

I'm waiting.

reply to paragraph 1:
ive never said demon's souls is a sequel to KF or a new KF game, at all. kind of a weird thing to say.

paragraph 2:
he starting working at fromsoftware on 3rd generation armored core games, became creative director for the 4th gen ones, so he was hardly a "nobody". he had some standing within the company, he rose through the ranks really quickly, as should be obvious. he never said king's field is bad, he was actually a fa:

On a personal level, the first King's Field was one of my favorite games when I was just a gamer myself

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/10/05/hidetaka-miyazaki-talks-about-demons-souls-and-kings-field-in-a-new-interview/

paragraph 3:
you havent read what i wrote. read the 4th sentence in my prev post somewhere above. you keep implying i said demon's souls is a king's field sequel/rehash/whatever, i have not. i said we dont know the details of the development process but it's not hard to imagine some ideas and influence carried over into the design for demon's souls
straight from the horse's mouth:

GI: The rumor that I keep hearing is that Demon's Souls began as a next-gen King's Field project. Is this true? If so, how far along into development did you decide that Demon's Souls was its own thing and deserved a new title? Will you ever revisit the King's Field series?

HM: Demon’s Souls was not developed as a sequel to King’s Field. King’s Field definitely influenced the ideas behind Demon’s Souls, but we envisioned this as a completely original title, separate from King’s Field. As for a sequel to King’s Field, I’m sorry, but I can’t really give a clear answer whether there will be one in the future.

https://www.gameinformer.com/games/demons_souls/b/ps3/archive/2009/11/05/feature-demon-s-souls-director-discusses-difficulty-sequels-and-more.aspx

paragraph 4 and 5:
im trying to keep it polite here but at this point you sound like some fromsoftware snob elitist trying to prove to his daddy miyazaki that's he's a bigger bumkisser than any other fromsoftware fan. "no I'M the biggest fromsoftware fan miyazaki-san!!"

last paragraph:
says "stop talking please" but then immediately prompts me to keep talking. anyway that's a bit of a weird premise of a question, considering king's field was, oh i dont know, THEIR FIRST RELEASE, so how could there NOT be any Fromsoftware DNA in there. sounds kinda logical, no? WHERE do you think things like the moonlight blade and seath come from? WHERE do you think they developed their level design chops? have you ever even played these games or did you just watch some let's play on youtube really quickly so you could pretend you have? i mean you keep going on about how bad these games are so i can't see why you would have played one or even all of them.

[Orbister]

Maybe next time.