Arxan anti cheat

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

So i don’t buy games which have denuvo so i would like to know what arxan anti cheat is.
Does it make online checks like denuvo?
Does this game only have an anti cheat drm?

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

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Show the source. I provided you the pcgaming wiki link and i also tested them myself. They wouldn’t work with steamless and goldberg if they would have arxan

You know full well I can't link NFOs here.

It's not obstrusive and obviously does not even prevent piracy. I don't know why they even called it a DRM but it is here.

Well no official source says so but im pretty sure arxan wasn’t and isn’t used by both games. Tested them and it works fine. Pcgamingwiki is pretty accurate as well they always mention what drm is used

[lukaself]

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You know full well I can't link NFOs here.

It's not obstrusive and obviously does not even prevent piracy. I don't know why they even called it a DRM but it is here.

Well no official source says so but im pretty sure arxan wasn’t and isn’t used by both games. Tested them and it works fine

Again the EULA does.

For AC6, Arxan does not even appear on the checker tool I usually use to verify for the presence of various middleware like Denuvo in the game files. Even checking memory threads I have a hard time discerning if it even does anything.

[forumcrybaby]

If I am not noticing any issues with my gameplay then should I care? I mostly play Total War and single player games so I am unfamiliar with DRM or anti cheat programs. Is my PC going to suddenly die or become infested with viruses or something horrible if I keep playing the game? What is the real problem here?

[lukaself]

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If I am not noticing any issues with my gameplay then should I care? I mostly play Total War and single player games so I am unfamiliar with DRM or anti cheat programs. Is my PC going to suddenly die or become infested with viruses or something horrible if I keep playing the game? What is the real problem here?

The effects of DRM have been widely documented: Denuvo anti-tamper for instance adds limits to how you can use the products, installation limits, online requirement, dependency to a third party server and domain as well as encryption, obfuscation and running the executable through a VM which causes incompatibilities and diminished performance on some implementations. It makes a small yet pivotal subset of mods such as script extenders more complicated to make. It has the ability to occasionally block users from enjoying their purchases temporarily when the undisclosed conditions aren't met and permanently when the servers, the company or the publisher close their doors.

This resulted in large scale issues and outages such as Unplayable games, performance issues and incompatibilities. Add to this the problems it causes with the Steam deck due to limiting hardware switches to 5 a day. It also causes occasional individual issues at random.
You can see it happening on video here: Can't play MH:Rise because of DRM (live in front of 60k viewers)[clips.twitch.tv]

On the other hand, the extent of the community's knowledge about the full effects of Arxan is currently very limited and did not result in any controversies as far as I know but it does not seem to require the same recurring online checks as Denuvo at least. The lack of transparency of the publisher about that supposedly anti-piracy solution is already problematic in itself. Any information is welcome.

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

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Well no official source says so but im pretty sure arxan wasn’t and isn’t used by both games. Tested them and it works fine

Again the EULA does. Arxan does not even appear on the DIE tool I usually use to check for the presence of various middleware like Denuvo. Even checking memory threads I have a hard time discerning if it even does anything.

I’m using 2 preservation tools i mentioned and they work only if games use steam drm not anything else. Both games can be played without steam opening so they don’t have arxan. But before we turn in circles lets call it a day. Pc gaming wiki any my own testing is enough for me to confirm they only have steam drm

[forumcrybaby]

@lukaself So outside of any game related issues one might encounter it doesn't effect you actual PC in any negative way? I use mine for work so I like to keep my computer as clean as I can.

[lukaself]

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@lukaself So outside of any game related it doesn't effect you actual PC in any negative way? I use mine for work so I like to keep my computer as clean as I can.

As I said, we know little. Although if it's anything like Denuvo, it won't leave any files on your computer when uninstalled, if that's your only concern.

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

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I’m using 2 preservation tools i mentioned and they work only if games use steam drm not anything else. Both games can be played without steam opening so they don’t have arxan. But before we turn in circles lets call it a day. Pc gaming wiki any my own testing is enough for me to confirm they only have steam drm

That's fine with me as there's no point in discussing it further if we're both certain.

However, using your logic, did you try your method on AC6? How can you even be sure AC6 does use it? From what I gathered, Goldberg works on AC6 as well, even though it's claimed to have Arxan.

Im anti drm like you so i don’t buy games with denuvo or arxan as well. I also avoided Hogwarts legacy even if i was interested. I tend to buy these games physical on console if that’s the case. You could test it but im sure it won’t work because both programs aren’t cracks

[lukaself]

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That's fine with me as there's no point in discussing it further if we're both certain.

However, using your logic, did you try your method on AC6? How can you even be sure AC6 does use it? From what I gathered, Goldberg works on AC6 as well, even though it's claimed to have Arxan.

Im anti drm like you so i don’t buy games with denuvo or arxan as well. I also avoided Hogwarts legacy even if i was interested. I tend to buy these games physical on console if that’s the case. You could test it but im sure it won’t work because both programs aren’t cracks

Ah, that makes sense.

I guess we'll need something more conclusive to settle the debate.

[Retrbunny]

why do they put effort into these anti-consumer practices seems just like corporate greed they want u to own nothing and the future of gaming seems dark, whe already have the steam drm, and the game was cracked on launch and is been uploaded to repack sites in a few weeks so are they going to remove it from the game now or keep it, cause no point in having it when the game is cracked unless u want to screw the buyers.

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

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why do they put effort into these anti-consumer practices seems just like corporate greed they want u to own nothing and the future of gaming seems dark, whe already have the steam drm, and the game was cracked on launch and is been uploaded to repack sites in a few weeks so are they going to remove it from the game now or keep it, cause no point in having it when the game is cracked unless u want to screw the buyers.

Well vote with your wallet. We are the future

[76561188078797539]

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It's in the EULA, just not posted on the store page (which is very scummy imo).
The odd thing here is that their EULA states they revoke your access to the game if you request a removal of your data with EPIC under GDPR or similar rights. I'd be amazed if that holds up in court.

Larger publishers have boilerplate EULA that frequently contain clauses not applicable to a specific product.

They just don't feel like paying anyone to custom-tailor the legal document to each title. I would not read too much into EULA there, especially if it's the same file for several different titles under that particular publisher.

Take2 had some "brilliant" revisions after the whole RedShell spyware blew up to theirs, and they added (because not like they have to worry about lack of customers even after the whole thing went public) clauses about telemetry and data collection through web sites even for titles that are strictly single-player and don't even CHECK for network connection, much less transfer any packets over it. As a quick example.

Anyway, this whole "yo dawg, I heard you liked third-party crapware in your games so I put..." situation quickly turned me away from this title.

Maybe it'll land on GOG without all this junk in it. Maybe not. I can survive the latter.

[Ryvaku]

DRM for what? Wasted money when it's already online. lol

[lukaself]

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Im anti drm like you so i don’t buy games with denuvo or arxan as well. I also avoided Hogwarts legacy even if i was interested. I tend to buy these games physical on console if that’s the case. You could test it but im sure it won’t work because both programs aren’t cracks

Ah, that makes sense.

I guess we'll need something more conclusive to settle the debate.

Coming back on this, leveraging French consumer laws, I've contacted From Software through Bamco's support which confirmed that Elden Ring did use an additional third party DRM beyond Steam although they also said they weren't at liberty to disclose which.

I'll upload it later but in the meantime I'm sure you could ask Bamco's support about this if you'd like to confirm it - They're quite open about these questions compared to other publishers)

[lukaself]

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Coming back on this, leveraging French consumer laws, I've contacted From Software through Bamco's support which confirmed that Elden Ring did use an additional third party DRM beyond Steam although they also said they weren't at liberty to disclose which.

(Imgur seems to be having issues at the moment so I can't post the conversation here but I'm sure you could ask Bamco's support about this if you'd like to confirm it - They're quite open about these questions compared to other publishers)

Surely you can post the image now

How about "hello" for starters?

Imgur hosting seems to be back online so here it is: https://i.imgur.com/BPWdRKW.png