PVP "Meta builds" just make VS a bore...

[Baklavah]

Zimms, laser spikes and Needle Cannons galore. Things discovered to be "insanely strong", people lose creativity. Everyone and their mother uses these damn things. I just blink at the screen when I barely lose to these setups. Sure I lost, but I made you fight for it. I'll settle for the small victories.

[nubi]

PK_Thunder eredeti hozzászólása:

None of those things are the strongest stuff in the game right now. Shotguns in particular are mostly only good against braindead players who can't maintain distance.

They are easy to get, but that's all.

You are objectively wrong

[Adanu]

Valkrio eredeti hozzászólása:

Baklavah eredeti hozzászólása:

Zimms, laser spikes and Needle Cannons galore. Things discovered to be "insanely strong", people lose creativity. Everyone and their mother uses these damn things. I just blink at the screen when I barely lose to these setups. Sure I lost, but I made you fight for it. I'll settle for the small victories.

Sad to see now and days their no "skills" players in this game anymore. You see the same boring op builds everywhere you go. Duel zimmerman and the damn spamming Assault boost kick. I got builds to counter them weaklings, but that's when I have to sweat just to whoop em. Most of the time I'll be minding my own build and trying to have fun, but it's hard to when all you see is meta monkey see, monkey do builds. Which kills the pvp aspect for me too. Since ppl could look stuff up for certain op meta builds, gaming is never the same anymore. Sucks, but it is what it is.

People will always go for the best equipment because that's the standard. It happens in every game once the numbers are crunched.

[LegendaryThunder]

It's almost like the older games had a better stat and mechanic system than what V and VI are doing. It's almost like all of the guns and equipment are boring and cookie cutter because that is what happened on the design table. It's almost like AC1-4 are better games.

[Gargoyle]

Bigboss PC Faster eredeti hozzászólása:

And they nerfed a Bosses instead of Zimmermans

They raised some other weapons up first before out right nerfing things..

[Blackmage]

You can blame FromSoftware for introducing unbalanced mechanics that don't belong in an Armored Core game - like stagger - for the purpose of onboarding Souls/Sekiro/Ring players.

Forcing your opponent to idle for 2 seconds, disrupting their attacks and dealing them extra damage, is far too powerful to ignore. Why wouldn't you take advantage of it? You're encouraged to play this way because your goal is to win, and the game's mechanics are designed to allow you take advantage of them without any real checks and balances, like cycling weapons, firing postures for shoulder cannons, or heat management.

And those same players are the reason why we don't have extension parts, like flares and ECM makers, which would help combat against missile boats - because From Software thought it would be too overwhelming, so they dumbed AC6 down.

[General Winter]

FalterXV eredeti hozzászólása:

If I see people bring those weapons, tetrapods, or tanks in lobbies I run - I just kick them.
And, if they try to rejoin, report the player, and put them on forever spectate.

There's no point in fighting or even entertaining people like that who clearly can't pilot.

heavy builds aren't unbeatable, you can ban whoever you want from your lobby but you can counter those builds easily

the whole point of the game is making builds that counter others, everything in this game has pros and cons and you can easily space double zimmers with a butterfly esqe build

hell, you look up any video on PvP and there's TONS of videos of PvP builds that counter double zimmers; for your viewing pleasure here's some examples

https://youtu.be/fvF8tWJ_BAI

https://youtu.be/96kbZqawZi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6rsXl5RFic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khD9WmuvpLA

[REBirthTheEdge]

There are PvP meta builds in every MP games ever.
OP just has to use his skills and punish scrubs I guess.

[SCamp]

General Winter eredeti hozzászólása:

FalterXV eredeti hozzászólása:

If I see people bring those weapons, tetrapods, or tanks in lobbies I run - I just kick them.
And, if they try to rejoin, report the player, and put them on forever spectate.

There's no point in fighting or even entertaining people like that who clearly can't pilot.

heavy builds aren't unbeatable, you can ban whoever you want from your lobby but you can counter those builds easily

the whole point of the game is making builds that counter others, everything in this game has pros and cons and you can easily space double zimmers with a butterfly esqe build

hell, you look up any video on PvP and there's TONS of videos of PvP builds that counter double zimmers; for your viewing pleasure here's some examples

https://youtu.be/fvF8tWJ_BAI

https://youtu.be/96kbZqawZi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6rsXl5RFic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khD9WmuvpLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VOCZIygJSw

Should just actively start spamming randomly cobbled-together anti-meta ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to gaslight dual zimmers out of the meta and into the pool of "It's OK at best"-tier.

[Killer Beast 77]

General Winter eredeti hozzászólása:

FalterXV eredeti hozzászólása:

If I see people bring those weapons, tetrapods, or tanks in lobbies I run - I just kick them.
And, if they try to rejoin, report the player, and put them on forever spectate.

There's no point in fighting or even entertaining people like that who clearly can't pilot.

heavy builds aren't unbeatable, you can ban whoever you want from your lobby but you can counter those builds easily

the whole point of the game is making builds that counter others, everything in this game has pros and cons and you can easily space double zimmers with a butterfly esqe build

hell, you look up any video on PvP and there's TONS of videos of PvP builds that counter double zimmers; for your viewing pleasure here's some examples

https://youtu.be/fvF8tWJ_BAI

https://youtu.be/96kbZqawZi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6rsXl5RFic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khD9WmuvpLA

you can just simply use double songbirds to bully them is so fun when you see them running instead of coming for close range you can add a lance as well if you want to be a true giga chad troll so they cant run away

[King]

In my opinion, the issue with multiplayer isn't shotguns, use a different build. The issue is getting staggered literally takes you out of the game, and then the massive damage you cant do anything about when staggered.

In every game, the most frustrating things a developer can ever do is take control away from the player. So just playing and suddenly all momentum, all control, everything just yanked away from the player as they go through a 5 second stagger animation where damage piles up gets annoying real fast.

Even if stagger just made you turn very slowly, but you kept for forward momentum, would be much easier to deal with. THe concept of going from a speed of 350 to 0 in a heartbeat when staggered in midair is jarring and frustrating.

[REBirthTheEdge]

King eredeti hozzászólása:

In my opinion, the issue with multiplayer isn't shotguns, use a different build. The issue is getting staggered literally takes you out of the game, and then the massive damage you cant do anything about when staggered.

In every game, the most frustrating things a developer can ever do is take control away from the player. So just playing and suddenly all momentum, all control, everything just yanked away from the player as they go through a 5 second stagger animation where damage piles up gets annoying real fast.

Even if stagger just made you turn very slowly, but you kept for forward momentum, would be much easier to deal with. THe concept of going from a speed of 350 to 0 in a heartbeat when staggered in midair is jarring and frustrating.

You are punished and taking away control because you are hit in the first place.

[General Winter]

King eredeti hozzászólása:

In my opinion, the issue with multiplayer isn't shotguns, use a different build. The issue is getting staggered literally takes you out of the game, and then the massive damage you cant do anything about when staggered.

In every game, the most frustrating things a developer can ever do is take control away from the player. So just playing and suddenly all momentum, all control, everything just yanked away from the player as they go through a 5 second stagger animation where damage piles up gets annoying real fast.

Even if stagger just made you turn very slowly, but you kept for forward momentum, would be much easier to deal with. THe concept of going from a speed of 350 to 0 in a heartbeat when staggered in midair is jarring and frustrating.

if you're going 350 and you're not dodging, you're going to melt regardless of stagger

the whole point of a light weight build is high evasion which requires not getting hit, they're not going to rework stagger because it's a punish mechanic, literally git gud and not get hit or just play a tank build and kind of not give a ♥♥♥♥

[qwerlancer]

That's how PvP works. Everyone wants to be "insanely strong". However I agree that more creativity is also important. Maybe we should have divisions by weight/equipment/AC cost in the future PvP content.

[Yuki Terumi]

King eredeti hozzászólása:

In my opinion, the issue with multiplayer isn't shotguns, use a different build. The issue is getting staggered literally takes you out of the game, and then the massive damage you cant do anything about when staggered.

In every game, the most frustrating things a developer can ever do is take control away from the player. So just playing and suddenly all momentum, all control, everything just yanked away from the player as they go through a 5 second stagger animation where damage piles up gets annoying real fast.

Even if stagger just made you turn very slowly, but you kept for forward momentum, would be much easier to deal with. THe concept of going from a speed of 350 to 0 in a heartbeat when staggered in midair is jarring and frustrating.

Their stagger implementation is terrible. Multiplicative damage for.... well no reason at all I guess.

I honestly have no idea why they added this system to multiplayer, but to be fair, they did warn that multiplayer wasn't the focus.

[Honkiewithaboomstick]

From Soft hasn't cared about multiplayer/pvp since 2015. Ya'll shouldn't either