the true issue in pvp

[zmanbuilder]

Rifles cannot hit, they deal good damage, build stagger fast, but none of that matters if you need to be at point blank for it to work. Because at that point why not use a shotgun....

[The Zone is Real]

Originally posted by ultsnv:

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

The true issue in PvP is the ♥♥♥♥ netcode. If i avoid most attacks and get zero damage i will still get stagger damage, what is complet ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. And once my stagger is full, i get one shoted by double stun gun. Netcode and lag are the real issue here. Im a really skillfull player but i cant carry those skills over because of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ netcode and lag issues even tho my connection is great. Its really a shame because AC6 is such Fun game even in PvP

you cant make 100+ ping just disappear

What 100+ Ping? What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comment is this again? My Ping is 15-30 u fish

[zmanbuilder]

BTW i do believe the zimmers need a nerf, but the other issues are more important.

[zmanbuilder]

Rushing with double shotguns should be an easy punish but its not, as rifle cannot hit....

[ultsnv]

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

Originally posted by ultsnv:

you cant make 100+ ping just disappear

What 100+ Ping? What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comment is this again? My Ping is 15-30 u fish

ping to what? armored core and every fromsoft game is peer to peer. If your opponent is on the other side of the world you will see lag/desync.

[The Zone is Real]

To the OP, i also thought Zimmermann is op. But after 100 PvP matches what i mostly won around 80%-90%. I can tell you ur wrong. It gives so many broken builds what dont use Zimmermann or shotguns at all. We can make an PvP match together, u will use shotguns and i will use my broken builds, trust me u will get annihilated its not even funmy anymore. At this point im not even sure what to buff or nerf anymore.

Like for example i find double needle gun to be easy playing against, but with lag or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ netcode it becomes an nightmare, cause i will get hit by shots i avoided. So should be needle gun be nerfed or buffed in PvP? If u have super fast reflexes u can avoid all needle gun attacks, ofc with good connection and good netcode.

[ultsnv]

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

Originally posted by ultsnv:

you cant make 100+ ping just disappear

What 100+ Ping? What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comment is this again? My Ping is 15-30 u fish

after looking at your profile i can confirm you are most likely playing with people 100+ ping. Armored core pvp is not popular, so i doubt there are many people from Russia or anywhere near you pvping.

this is what 60 ping looks like on cs 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPZAZ45io4s

[Politary]

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

To the OP, i also thought Zimmermann is op. But after 100 PvP matches what i mostly won around 80%-90%. I can tell you ur wrong. It gives so many broken builds what dont use Zimmermann or shotguns at all. We can make an PvP match together, u will use shotguns and i will use my broken builds, trust me u will get annihilated its not even funmy anymore. At this point im not even sure what to buff or nerf anymore.

Like for example i find double needle gun to be easy playing against, but with lag or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ netcode it becomes and nightmare, cause i will get hit by shots i avoided. So should be needle gun be nerfed or buffed in PvP? If u have super fast reflexes u can avoid all needle gun attacks, ofc with good connection and good netcode.

In 1v1 the balance is much better, but in 3v3s there is very small pool of weapons that work. Needles can delete more than half of opponent health if you shoot them during stagger (that is easy to inflict with zimmermanns)

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

To the OP, i also thought Zimmermann is op. But after 100 PvP matches what i mostly won around 80%-90%. I can tell you ur wrong. It gives so many broken builds what dont use Zimmermann or shotguns at all. We can make an PvP match together, u will use shotguns and i will use my broken builds, trust me u will get annihilated its not even funmy anymore. At this point im not even sure what to buff or nerf anymore.

Like for example i find double needle gun to be easy playing against, but with lag or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ netcode it becomes and nightmare, cause i will get hit by shots i avoided. So should be needle gun be nerfed or buffed in PvP? If u have super fast reflexes u can avoid all needle gun attacks, ofc with good connection and good netcode.

i rarely use double shotguns ore shotguns at all, i have been trying and failing to make a halfway decent sniper quad build, out ranged by missiles, at close range they are just a worse shotgun.....

[The Zone is Real]

Originally posted by ultsnv:

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

What 100+ Ping? What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comment is this again? My Ping is 15-30 u fish

ping to what? armored core and every fromsoft game is peer to peer. If your opponent is on the other side of the world you will see lag/desync.

Well problem is there is no option in the game to see the other player ping. So how should i know, yeah u can maybe region lock the game but so what? U can still play against wifi-users or people with bad connection in generell. And its not even the connection but also the netcode or gamecode or whatever. Like im dodging an shotgun attack and get zero damage, so hit registration will say no hit no damage, then why the ♥♥♥♥ my stun meter still goes up?? Same ♥♥♥♥ in Elden Ring. They really need to start to fix this.

[Chicken Strips]

Make the rifles bullets go faster. Problem solved.

[The Zone is Real]

Originally posted by Politary:

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

To the OP, i also thought Zimmermann is op. But after 100 PvP matches what i mostly won around 80%-90%. I can tell you ur wrong. It gives so many broken builds what dont use Zimmermann or shotguns at all. We can make an PvP match together, u will use shotguns and i will use my broken builds, trust me u will get annihilated its not even funmy anymore. At this point im not even sure what to buff or nerf anymore.

Like for example i find double needle gun to be easy playing against, but with lag or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ netcode it becomes and nightmare, cause i will get hit by shots i avoided. So should be needle gun be nerfed or buffed in PvP? If u have super fast reflexes u can avoid all needle gun attacks, ofc with good connection and good netcode.

In 1v1 the balance is much better, but in 3v3s there is very small pool of weapons that work. Needles can delete more than half of opponent health if you shoot them during stagger (that is easy to inflict with zimmermanns)

Well to be honest how u want to balance out weapons that work perfectly fine in 1vs1 and 3vs3? I think needle gun needs an nerf tho because its overused already. We have so many weapons in AC6 but u see only 5% cause they better variant of already existing weapons, which is said every weapon should be vaible in PvP. Also shields need to get a buff. Everytime i see an shield user, he loses

[ultsnv]

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

Originally posted by ultsnv:

ping to what? armored core and every fromsoft game is peer to peer. If your opponent is on the other side of the world you will see lag/desync.

Well problem is there is no option in the game to see the other player ping. So how should i know, yeah u can maybe region lock the game but so what? U can still play against wifi-users or people with bad connection in generell. And its not even the connection but also the netcode or gamecode or whatever. Like im dodging an shotgun attack and get zero damage, so hit registration will say no hit no damage, then why the ♥♥♥♥ my stun meter still goes up?? Same ♥♥♥♥ in Elden Ring. They really need to start to fix this.

that has never happened to me in armored core 6. there is no i-frame in armored core 6 so stagger is applied when you take dmg. I noticed getting hit + staggered when i completely avoid dmg tho in armored core, but that's only if my opponent is extremely laggy

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by Chicken Strips:

Make the rifles bullets go faster. Problem solved.

it would fix a lot tbh. but cannon and the like should not be touched

[Yuki Terumi]

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

To the OP, i also thought Zimmermann is op. But after 100 PvP matches what i mostly won around 80%-90%. I can tell you ur wrong. It gives so many broken builds what dont use Zimmermann or shotguns at all. We can make an PvP match together, u will use shotguns and i will use my broken builds, trust me u will get annihilated its not even funmy anymore. At this point im not even sure what to buff or nerf anymore.

Like for example i find double needle gun to be easy playing against, but with lag or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ netcode it becomes an nightmare, cause i will get hit by shots i avoided. So should be needle gun be nerfed or buffed in PvP? If u have super fast reflexes u can avoid all needle gun attacks, ofc with good connection and good netcode.

Zimmermans are broken. It doesn't mean they exist broken in a vacuum, nor does it mean that they can't be beaten (laser kiting, missile boats etc..).

For their range, weight, impact and damage, relative to other weapons they are broken.

[The Zone is Real]

Originally posted by ultsnv:

Originally posted by Friendly Lizard KING:

Well problem is there is no option in the game to see the other player ping. So how should i know, yeah u can maybe region lock the game but so what? U can still play against wifi-users or people with bad connection in generell. And its not even the connection but also the netcode or gamecode or whatever. Like im dodging an shotgun attack and get zero damage, so hit registration will say no hit no damage, then why the ♥♥♥♥ my stun meter still goes up?? Same ♥♥♥♥ in Elden Ring. They really need to start to fix this.

that has never happened to me in armored core 6. there is no i-frame in armored core 6 so stagger is applied when you take dmg. I noticed getting hit + staggered when i completely avoid dmg tho in armored core, but that's only if my opponent is extremely laggy

I can assure u its deffinetely a thing atleast to me cause i saw it already so many times happen, i guess stagger is not connected to the hit registartion