Anyone uses the needle after the ice worm?

[Kain]

It seems to do decent damage, but its so slow.

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If you just want to get to the end at least one time, throw on the needles.

Alternatively, don't let people like this tell you you need specific gear to get to the end. You don't. I never liked the needles myself, and it's genuinely because I think they're overrated.

If the needles feel good to you, use them, otherwise, don't, but yeah, they are generally recognized as being a bit of crutch, and I'm part of team "it feels good to learn to play without things like this" myself. Using things like this makes it difficult to play anything else. It's less about elitism and more about genuine concern for your enjoyment of the game. ^^''

I probably think the needles are overrated because I actually learned to play, now that I think about it. :D

i think ppl use needle cause the AI can be abused if you boost past em then boost twice the enemy always hover in place like a confused muffin(atleast in arena)

[solthusx]

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Spending too long in this cesspool of a forum, can't even tell if it's bait or not (%_)

The needles are so good it's called cheese. You don't need to use songbirds anymore after you get the needles. They are heavier but better in every way.

Don't let anyone tell you that the only "real way" to play this game is making it harder on yourself. Armored Core has always had unbalanced weapons. Some are great, some have no use whatsoever, like the bomb dispenser. You can choose to use objectively substandard gear if you want but save that for NG+. If you just want to get to the end at least one time, throw on the needles.





The needles are kinetic. The electrical AoE doesn't correspond to any of the tunable damage types.

Yeah, they pretty much stun anything, I'm trying to use them with the pile bunker, I'm not very good with meele weapons, and the needles are giving me the stun necessary to try. Plus, the damage itself is more than decent on the needles themselves.


My initial problem is that they don't fire immediately after pressing the button, that small delay was throwing me off.

Also, why would this be bait?

This is why some people might see the question as bait:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FKfozYWaGQ&t=5s&ab_channel=FightinCowboy

[ToJKa]

Oh yes. It became a permanent part of my load out right after getting it.

I believe it has the biggest direct hit damage of any shoulder weapon, so my tactic became to stagger an enemy ASAP with shoulder-mounted missiles and hand weapons, and then deal major damage to them with the needle.

Some enemies recover so quickly that the needle misses, though.
Also, since those hand weapons were usually Zimmermans or Zimmerman and Moonlight, the needle also proved useful as a sniper rifle.

Also i like the way it looks and animates.

[solthusx]

I find that the Zimmerman + charged Laser Lance combo also works very well to stagger enemies

[RealVanillaSmooth]

Needle is very meta in PvP and PvE

[Oobaneko]

Pile bunker melee, cancel it with dash forward - easy needle shot.

[VMVXMK2]

I will blame everything on the stagger system.

[H1tSc4n]

Yes it's a fantastic weapon, became a staple of my builds lol

[StoneofTriumph]

They're very good, they're reasonably easy to use, they're a bit heavy for my tastes, never used them myself after the ice worm mission.

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Those needles will easy mode the entire rest of the game’s content if you want them to. Every boss and every ac fight gets wrecked by two of those.

[Zogtar]

Only use the needles if you're struggling, they're a crutch you don't need. In any fight.

Without them, Ice Worm is the hardest (and most fun*) boss fight.

[suFist2K8d]

The Stun Needles are pretty OP and are one of the few reliable ways to keep ammo costs down for S-Rank runs. My goodness, some of those S-Ranks will be tough to get if they get nerfed (you'll have to git gud with swords probably)

[Oobaneko]

Replaced Songbird by this.

[PanPan]

Stun needles are 1 of the best (easy) weapons but ok.