Operation Wallclimger [S-Rank]

[opus132]

Earlier i tried making a dedicated thread to share my exploits (and those of other boomers if they want to join) but posts here disappear so quickly i can't even find it anymore.

Anyway, here i'm attempting to get an S rank while trying to hit as many enemies as i can. I'm not a big fan of the "skip everything" idea. Was never into speed running either. I'm not opposed to speed constrains (even though i was in such a rush here i messed up the flow several times, which cramped my style) but i still want to feel like i beat the mission fair and square while meeting all of its challenges head on instead of just ignoring everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ielAhU69j6I

And in the end, seems like i made it after all. All my S ranks were obtained this way as well, except for the one with the grounded helicopters where i threw the sponge and just did it by rushing through it.

[ZTL-Altima]

Operation Wallclimber is one of rare ones where you actually must kill things to get S rank. I'm not a fan the way this game privileged speed so much. S ranks should be more focused on bonus instead of speed so a complete level kill would give better ranks than just fly around.

[opus132]

I'm still not sure if each mission really has its own ranking. I think it just might be a case of some being harder than others to do "legit" (for lack of a better word). In the thread i made about the one with the grounded helicopters, some people reported they were able to get an S rank by killing everything including the big mech at the end.

I think the screen you get at the end shows you the parameters that influence ranking, and it's likely it's the same for every mission.

[SmokingTire]

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

Operation Wallclimber is one of rare ones where you actually must kill things to get S rank. I'm not a fan the way this game privileged speed so much. S ranks should be more focused on bonus instead of speed so a complete level kill would give better ranks than just fly around.

I can strongly disagree here, as it's a factor of speed, how much damage you took and how much you've spend on ammo.

For wallclimber went in and rushed it, didn't kill any other additional enemy:
1 mt + 2 turrents -> hextapod MT + 2 turrets -> went in and cleared the two rooms filled with enemies that are mandatory on your way to the elevator -> boss.
Nothing else additionally killed.


Considering you will replay most mission 3 times to get all 3 endings with an additional 4th time to get S-ranks and etc. as ranking is only on replay mission section. No one wants to slough for hours on kills.

[Fin]

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

Operation Wallclimber is one of rare ones where you actually can kill things to get S rank.

Fixed.

I for one didn't kill anything outside my flight path between the objectives, pure speed. S rank, applies to all missions.

S rank has always been about being effecient, Balance between speed, repair cost and ammo cost. Just going around killing everything shouldn't be S rank, for that is just wasting needless ammo. Tho I agree to some extent this particular title puts too much emphesis on pure speed. I miss having to figure out the balanced loadout between the three factors.

[overmage]

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

Operation Wallclimber is one of rare ones where you actually must kill things to get S rank. I'm not a fan the way this game privileged speed so much. S ranks should be more focused on bonus instead of speed so a complete level kill would give better ranks than just fly around.

Not true - got S rank killing nothing optional using default Loader 4. Hardest part for me was actually killing tetrapod fast, as you can cheese juggernaut by standing on the rear of the turret and spamming all your weapons (missiles explode instantly)

[ZTL-Altima]

Yes, you all are correct. The distortion here in Wallclimber is that killing buys you a lot of time leniency for S rank, allowing a very slow play. Other missions with alternatives gives you more time, but not a lot.

[opus132]

Ok, so for something different, i just went back to pick up the log i had missed... and it still says battle log is pending.

How many there are in this mission?

[GorishiDan]

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

Operation Wallclimber is one of rare ones where you actually must kill things to get S rank. I'm not a fan the way this game privileged speed so much. S ranks should be more focused on bonus instead of speed so a complete level kill would give better ranks than just fly around.

had the same issue with MGSV. game favors speed way too much. you can dash through the whole mission, ignoring all side objectives and doing things as fast and as sloppy as possible and in the end you get S rank. but if you take your time and do things perfectly and stealthily. E rank.

[[R-K] WARLORD]

S ranks are SCORE AND SPEED. No idea why people are having issues figuring this out. Wasting ammo and taking damage = REDUCES SCORE. So DONT DO THAT. If the mission has an optional objective that increases score YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. Like the betray the 2 redguns mission. Does the mission award additional money for kills? Then you have to make sure you at least kill enemies on main route. This is REALLY simple.

[hakabata]

It doesn't look like an exploit. Just legit fighting to get S rank. Speed and the mission objectives(depends on missions) are two main factor that the game fully advocates speed running.

[Charsiew]

S rank requirement should be base on repair fee and ammunition cost.

[opus132]

So there is another mystery, this time with the damn logs.

I scoured every nook and cranny of this mission to find the third log, turns out all i had to do is kill something to get the complete log count. Not sure what it was i just killed everything in sight and eventually i got all the logs.

Another thing i wish i had been told sooner.

[アゼム]

Originally posted by Charsiew:

S rank requirement should be base on repair fee and ammunition cost.

They are. They just have other factors too

[opus132]

At this point it's clear the factors for an S rank are the same for all missions. It's probably just the tuning that is a bit off and certain things are easier to do in some missions than others.

[𝐿𝑒𝓃𝑜𝓇𝑒]

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

Operation Wallclimber is one of rare ones where you actually must kill things to get S rank.

Not entirely true. It makes it *easier*, but if you're fast enough you can kill absolutely nothing beyond the mandatory required targets (two gatling cannons, heavy MT, Juggernaut) and still get S rank. I've done it many times.