ARMORED CORE™ VI FIRES OF RUBICON™

ARMORED CORE™ VI FIRES OF RUBICON™

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REhorror Aug 21, 2023 @ 12:11am
Oro speaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDY3MbPaQo

tl;dr: PvP is fun and very skill-based.
Tanks are actually weak, it's quads that are OP.

inb4 noooo he's a shiiillllll

Still going leg-day biped anyway.
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Shill!
Idk why I am calling you that lol I'm still doing tank legs always have always will rofl
Last edited by KingOfFriedChicken; Aug 22, 2023 @ 3:01pm
Kashra Fall Aug 21, 2023 @ 4:34am 
When you're paid to promote a game, you do just that. When you're paid to showcase a game, you do just that. When you have physical evidence showing the claims of something is better than the other, it kind of sullies the wording a bit. "Tanks are actually weak." as the man got dominated by FC lol. Sure he got some licks in, but that's quite the contrary statement to the actual video, no?
REhorror Aug 21, 2023 @ 4:35am 
Originally posted by Kashra Fall:
When you're paid to promote a game, you do just that. When you're paid to showcase a game, you do just that. When you have physical evidence showing the claims of something is better than the other, it kind of sullies the wording a bit. "Tanks are actually weak." as the man got dominated by FC lol. Sure he got some licks in, but that's quite the contrary statement to the actual video, no?
How is it a contrary?
Him being BTFO by tanks doesn't mean tanks are OP, it could mean he could just suck in that one match.
Steve Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:21am 
Originally posted by REhorror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDY3MbPaQo

tl;dr: PvP is fun and very skill-based.
Tanks are actually weak, it's quads that are OP.

inb4 noooo he's a shiiillllll

Still going leg-day biped anyway.
Ewwwwwwwwwww, clickbait thumbnail, gross. None of the content creators I support do this.

Forget being a shill. The fastest way to lose credibility is to produce clickbait. "Is It Good?" TF you asking ME for, guy, you're the one with the damn advance copy!
[OTS]EchoZenLogos Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:35am 
Originally posted by Calteru:
Originally posted by REhorror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDY3MbPaQo

tl;dr: PvP is fun and very skill-based.
Tanks are actually weak, it's quads that are OP.

inb4 noooo he's a shiiillllll

Still going leg-day biped anyway.
Ewwwwwwwwwww, clickbait thumbnail, gross. None of the content creators I support do this.

Forget being a shill. The fastest way to lose credibility is to produce clickbait. "Is It Good?" TF you asking ME for, guy, you're the one with the damn advance copy!

Sincerely, you are massively over-reacting to what amounts to literal text on a thumbnail.

As far as the video itself goes, the PvP looks like it should end up being pretty good. Though I'm probably not likely to play much of the PvP, because the only PvP I have ever been interested in FROMSOFT games is their invasion PvP which is absent here. Invasion PvP as the defender is all I ever had fun with - fighting off invaders while going through their games like Dark Souls 1-3 - which is why I was very disappointed with them disabling solo invasions in Elden Ring and not having covenants or any benefits to doing PvP.
REhorror Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:45am 
Originally posted by Calteru:
Originally posted by REhorror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDY3MbPaQo

tl;dr: PvP is fun and very skill-based.
Tanks are actually weak, it's quads that are OP.

inb4 noooo he's a shiiillllll

Still going leg-day biped anyway.
Ewwwwwwwwwww, clickbait thumbnail, gross. None of the content creators I support do this.

Forget being a shill. The fastest way to lose credibility is to produce clickbait. "Is It Good?" TF you asking ME for, guy, you're the one with the damn advance copy!
That's not a clickbait thumbnail doe.

A clickbait thumbnail is something with some guy face doing a soiface and thing like "This game is the greatest/worst thing ever".
Steve Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:47am 
Originally posted by REhorror:
Originally posted by Calteru:
Ewwwwwwwwwww, clickbait thumbnail, gross. None of the content creators I support do this.

Forget being a shill. The fastest way to lose credibility is to produce clickbait. "Is It Good?" TF you asking ME for, guy, you're the one with the damn advance copy!
That's not a clickbait thumbnail doe.

A clickbait thumbnail is something with some guy face doing a soiface and thing like "This game is the greatest/worst thing ever".

If the headline/thumbnail begs the question instead of answering the question, it is considered clickbait. Even giving an opinion is better than begging the question.

Like, seriously, why would the audience be asked "is it good?" How is the audience going to know that? The audience doesn't have an advance copy. The idea is for the content creator to give their take on it.

If they don't know, if they gotta ask me, why should I bother? XD
Last edited by Steve; Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:49am
REhorror Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:49am 
Originally posted by Calteru:
Originally posted by REhorror:
That's not a clickbait thumbnail doe.

A clickbait thumbnail is something with some guy face doing a soiface and thing like "This game is the greatest/worst thing ever".

If the headline/thumbnail begs the question instead of answering the question, it is considered clickbait. Even giving an opinion is better than begging the question.
Never know that myself.
Usually an interesting video will have a leading headline instead of just spouting (extreme) opinions.
ImHelping Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:50am 
The "Hard lock is never miss" argument is a paradox because if hard lock can never miss, then Oro would not have been failing to hit a tank constantly with a pair of rifles.

That same tank which when oro was floating directly above, the tank's laser cannons botched the shot so hard the beams went crosseyed.

Another clip I saw was basically "Even me, an idiot, could predict it".gif where tanks were getting roasted by plasma AoE spam because the tanks were still too fat to fly out of the way of spamming splash damage near misses with a light mech.

Looks like they are charging credits for energy ammo again for a reason.
Last edited by ImHelping; Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:52am
Steve Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:52am 
Originally posted by REhorror:
Originally posted by Calteru:

If the headline/thumbnail begs the question instead of answering the question, it is considered clickbait. Even giving an opinion is better than begging the question.
Never know that myself.
Usually an interesting video will have a leading headline instead of just spouting (extreme) opinions.
That's another form of baiting. Giving a ♥♥♥♥ take is usually tied to outrage content -- content that tries to drive hits by riling people up (see: everything on Twitter/X/whatever the hell he's calling it this week). Though I suppose that could fall under the umbrella too.

Anyway, I'm sure they make more money than I do off of it. XD
Getsu Fuma Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:55am 
Originally posted by REhorror:
Originally posted by Calteru:

If the headline/thumbnail begs the question instead of answering the question, it is considered clickbait. Even giving an opinion is better than begging the question.
Never know that myself.
Usually an interesting video will have a leading headline instead of just spouting (extreme) opinions.
Both are types of clickbait because they both serve the same purpose. But honestly the "Is it good?" thumbnails are a lot less annoying than the kind you listed. I kind of reached the point myself where if it is a form of clickbait I don't watch it. I understand a lot of people still watch those videos because then those thumbnails would not still be a thing. But I find them annoying and not for me so I will just watch something that is for me.
REhorror Aug 21, 2023 @ 6:59am 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uWSDQeRrYk
And here's FightinCowboy's perspective. This is the duo chaingun tank chad.

This guy is an actual AC vet, he wrote a guide for ACV in Gamefaqs back then.
Nice that the Bamco/From manage to get these guys, instead of popular gamers who know nothing about AC.

Then again, FightinCowboy also plays Souls, so maybe there's a connection.
An odd battle to pick with the thumbnail. That's just the youtube meta and this isn't an especially egregious example of it. The question in the title was answered in the video even.

Anyway, just like I said in the other topic, hard lock wasn't why oro lost, it was that he couldn't deal with the tank assault boosting at him. Even if fighting cowboy had not used hard lock at all, the result would have been the same. Oro almost never moved far enough to get off the screen if it had been softlock. When he did do that once or twice, it broke hard lock anyway.

And it just makes sense doesn't it? The biped mobile build with rifles is a mid range build. The tank with gatling guns is a close range build. Who ever could force the fight to take place at their ideal range would win and what do you know, assault boost allowed the tank to keep it in the ideal range for it.

This is of course ignoring that the biped build used cheaper parts from earlier in chapter 1 while the tank used some of the most expensive parts.
REhorror Aug 21, 2023 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by awanderingswordsman:
An odd battle to pick with the thumbnail. That's just the youtube meta and this isn't an especially egregious example of it. The question in the title was answered in the video even.

Anyway, just like I said in the other topic, hard lock wasn't why oro lost, it was that he couldn't deal with the tank assault boosting at him. Even if fighting cowboy had not used hard lock at all, the result would have been the same. Oro almost never moved far enough to get off the screen if it had been softlock. When he did do that once or twice, it broke hard lock anyway.

And it just makes sense doesn't it? The biped mobile build with rifles is a mid range build. The tank with gatling guns is a close range build. Who ever could force the fight to take place at their ideal range would win and what do you know, assault boost allowed the tank to keep it in the ideal range for it.

This is of course ignoring that the biped build used cheaper parts from earlier in chapter 1 while the tank used some of the most expensive parts.
I mean, it makes sense to me right when I was watching it.
Oro played a bad built to FightinCowboy, if there was no hard lock, the result would still be the same because Oro plays a close range build against a build that is made to counter close range.

Didn't know it becomes an actual controversy until I read Steam forums.
hakabata Aug 21, 2023 @ 8:24am 
He actually made good points.

He said no need to talk about the balance at this point. Their builds were severely limited to chapter one only. No one can predict a dime under that scope. Balance issues can be easily mended by fixes anyway so that's not a big deal.

The real big deal he said is that matchmaking is missing. He tried to put it mildly, but the matchmaking absence can greatly damage the pvp lifespan. Any follow-up patches will not be able to cover up the casualties. It should have been included at the launch.

Or maybe From is actually not that concerned about pvp scene. We will see about that. The guy himself, he looks aright. Just had a bad match, shrug, then it's nothing.
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