If I wanna play Youthberk, I have to buy the DLC?

[c Karma r]

So... a 70$ game can't have free DLC? Do I seriously have to pay for every single new set that drops?

[Gram64]

Well, you can play the TD Youthberk with only base game. Those were free. But yeah, it's kinda bad without the set 6 support.

[uL Willy-G]

its not like we didnt know this since before the game released......

[Arch iDealist]

The game has free DLCs - three new starter decks including Youthberk. You only have to pay if you want to use cards in booster set 6. We are quite fortunate that the business model gives us whole set instead of having to pay € for each individual booster of 7 cards .

[c Karma r]

Originally posted by uL Willy-G:

its not like we didnt know this since before the game released......

I have a life and don't keep up with dear days since I play at my locals. I only use dear days for free time.

[Cinnamoroll]

Originally posted by c_Karma_r | Twitch:

Originally posted by uL Willy-G:

its not like we didnt know this since before the game released......

I have a life and don't keep up with dear days since I play at my locals. I only use dear days for free time.

Didn't need to keep up, you should've known before you even purchased the game. It was always public information, not new information.

[Spright-lich]

Originally posted by c_Karma_r | Twitch:

Originally posted by uL Willy-G:

its not like we didnt know this since before the game released......

I have a life and don't keep up with dear days since I play at my locals. I only use dear days for free time.

So you play irl, have to pay cash for every new booster/single you want, but you're complaining about 20$ for access to an entire set?

weirdchamp

[Cinnamoroll]

Originally posted by fadedxlich:

So you play irl, have to pay cash for every new booster/single you want, but you're complaining about 20$ for access to an entire set?

weirdchamp

This has already been immensly discussed before the game released, that is not a fair comparison.
This is not the physical card game, it's DLC for a video game... and frankly a terribly unpolished one at that. Trying to justify 20$ for so little content is hysterical. It and the game are only priced so high because they know Vanguard players are willing to cough up that kind of money because it's so niche and the experience of Vanguard automated netplay can't be had elsewhere.

Based for burning OP though, guy is beating a dead horse.

[Adalon]

Originally posted by Mahjong God:

Originally posted by fadedxlich:

So you play irl, have to pay cash for every new booster/single you want, but you're complaining about 20$ for access to an entire set?

weirdchamp

This has already been immensly discussed before the game released, that is not a fair comparison.
This is not the physical card game, it's DLC for a video game... and frankly a terribly unpolished one at that. Trying to justify 20$ for so little content is hysterical. It and the game are only priced so high because they know Vanguard players are willing to cough up that kind of money because it's so niche and the experience of Vanguard automated netplay can't be had elsewhere.

Based for burning OP though, guy is beating a dead horse.

Only thing I disagree is calling it unpolished. It's quiet polished imo.

[Cinnamoroll]

Originally posted by Zekken:

Only thing I disagree is calling it unpolished. It's quiet polished imo.

I think it's perfectly polished for consoles, but this is a very poor PC release and it's where I'm referring to the lack of polish.
The deckbuilder, the in-match UI and controls, the lack of accessibility in the options. It's a very half-arsed port and unless you're willing to resign yourself to playing on a keyboard or a controller it's a very poor experience imo (especially since we've had the luxury of playing hearthstone, mtg, and yugioh on mouse and have very solid experiences). I've heard they've made at least some effort to help with the broken ranked system but that left a sour taste too.

[c Karma r]

Originally posted by fadedxlich:

Originally posted by c_Karma_r | Twitch:

I have a life and don't keep up with dear days since I play at my locals. I only use dear days for free time.

So you play irl, have to pay cash for every new booster/single you want, but you're complaining about 20$ for access to an entire set?

weirdchamp

this is a very awful comparison. This is a digital game where the servers will one day cease to exist. Me buying cards in person means that I'll have them forever with no fear of ever losing the money I spent (unless the cards get damaged, which is just unfortunate). Spending 20$ every time a new set drops is absurd since I can play the game in person for a better experience. Look at Master Duel for example. Widely popular, more so than Vanguard, and is free to play. Like Mahjong said, they slap triple A pricing on the game because they know VG fans will spend the money knowing they don't want to. It's pretty crazy to try and justify they price gouging us when we get so little in return. If it was 20$ for the next 3 or 4 sets, then sure. But 20$ for ONE set is crazy. And there 10 sets confirmed. so that's another 100$+ you have to spend if you want access to the content. terrible imo

[COCAINE BEAR]

Originally posted by c_Karma_r | Twitch:

Originally posted by fadedxlich:

So you play irl, have to pay cash for every new booster/single you want, but you're complaining about 20$ for access to an entire set?

weirdchamp

this is a very awful comparison. This is a digital game where the servers will one day cease to exist. Me buying cards in person means that I'll have them forever with no fear of ever losing the money I spent (unless the cards get damaged, which is just unfortunate). Spending 20$ every time a new set drops is absurd since I can play the game in person for a better experience. Look at Master Duel for example. Widely popular, more so than Vanguard, and is free to play. Like Mahjong said, they slap triple A pricing on the game because they know VG fans will spend the money knowing they don't want to. It's pretty crazy to try and justify they price gouging us when we get so little in return. If it was 20$ for the next 3 or 4 sets, then sure. But 20$ for ONE set is crazy. And there 10 sets confirmed. so that's another 100$+ you have to spend if you want access to the content. terrible imo

10 sets confirmed? Where do you see this?

[Adalon]

Originally posted by c_Karma_r | Twitch:

Originally posted by fadedxlich:

So you play irl, have to pay cash for every new booster/single you want, but you're complaining about 20$ for access to an entire set?

weirdchamp

this is a very awful comparison. This is a digital game where the servers will one day cease to exist. Me buying cards in person means that I'll have them forever with no fear of ever losing the money I spent (unless the cards get damaged, which is just unfortunate). Spending 20$ every time a new set drops is absurd since I can play the game in person for a better experience. Look at Master Duel for example. Widely popular, more so than Vanguard, and is free to play. Like Mahjong said, they slap triple A pricing on the game because they know VG fans will spend the money knowing they don't want to. It's pretty crazy to try and justify they price gouging us when we get so little in return. If it was 20$ for the next 3 or 4 sets, then sure. But 20$ for ONE set is crazy. And there 10 sets confirmed. so that's another 100$+ you have to spend if you want access to the content. terrible imo

If you're going to call someone's comparison awful, you should at least have a decent comeback. First off, you're never going to lose the money you spend on the game as the game is entirely playable offline, so you'd never lose "the money you spent."

How is spending 20 dollars every set absurd? A box of the new booster set is 60-70 USD lol what does playing in person even have to do with this part of the argument?

In the end the only thing you have to say is the tired old "It's better because I have it physically". Guess what, that's how people used to feel with VHS and DvDs/CDs, etc. but look at where we are now. The fact is, you're attempting to make a money argument against the cheaper alternative and this game being cheaper than the paper back is an indisputable fact.

If you personally put more value in holding cardboard, then fair enough but that isn't a universal truth and your subjective value doesn't make it so either. Also, you're either wrong or lying here because 10 more sets most definitely aren't confirmed, the only currently confirmed sets are what's advertised in the card pack.

I'm not sure if people are oblivious to how expensive the physical game is or what but you're on some serious hopium if you're trying to justify how expensive the physical game is then swinging around and saying this game is massively overpriced.

[Cinnamoroll]

Originally posted by Zekken:

How is spending 20 dollars every set absurd? A box of the new booster set is 60-70 USD lol what does playing in person even have to do with this part of the argument?

Want to touch on this part because I don't understand where your qualm is. Every time the price of IRL cards comes into the conversation it's from people arguing against those who find the current pricing unreasonable.
Eg: "Booster boxes IRL cost x amount of money! In comparison this price is much more reasonable!"
I don't understand why you'd find issue with this point when the person we're arguing against did precisely this, and even you yourself are pointing out the irl booster boxes as a comparison to the digital ones. It *is* a bad comparison. You're comparing cards which are manufactured, bundled, shipped, and then sold by retailers at an even greater price for profit to a bunch of lines of code that, once written, can be printed a billion times at zero cost.
CFV Dear Days is a video game. I'm not going to compare it to the IRL card game because it's a redundant comparison. It isn't worth the price because other video games simply offer so much more for less, and Dear Days certainly should be when it has the audacity to charge so much for the base game. They wouldn't get away with such poor pricing if it weren't for Bushiroad cease and desisting every fan project to give us an automated sim. This game didn't have a shot on PC if we already had a YGOPro equivalent for Vanguard.

[ronelm2000]

Originally posted by Mahjong God:

This game didn't have a shot on PC if we already had a YGOPro equivalent for Vanguard.

But we don't and that's that. Or are you implying it's wrong for them to protect their IP?

Originally posted by Mahjong God:

It isn't worth the price because other video games simply offer so much more for less, and Dear Days certainly should be when it has the audacity to charge so much for the base game.

Then play those games. It's not that hard to just step away from this game, play those games, and come back when you either: can afford it, or goes on sale. But no, it's easier to complain about things beyond your control, I guess.

[Cinnamoroll]

Originally posted by ronelm2000:

Originally posted by Mahjong God:

This game didn't have a shot on PC if we already had a YGOPro equivalent for Vanguard.

But we don't and that's that. Or are you implying it's wrong for them to protect their IP?

Originally posted by Mahjong God:

It isn't worth the price because other video games simply offer so much more for less, and Dear Days certainly should be when it has the audacity to charge so much for the base game.

Then play those games. It's not that hard to just step away from this game, play those games, and come back when you either: can afford it, or goes on sale. But no, it's easier to complain about things beyond your control, I guess.

I actually am implying that it's unreasonable (not illegal) for them to protect their IP in this case, yes. If they cannot provide a decent product for their customer-base to fill a niche, they shouldn't be shutting down fanmade projects that fill that role. It's not just lazy, it's a slap in the face to everyone with genuine investment in the game.

You don't seem to understand the issue here. My point is that this is a video game and is unreasonably priced for one considering the content it provides. At no point did I say that I couldn't afford it, I bought it on day 1. My issue with Vanguard Dear Days is that it's a terrible port and because of Bushiroad's aggressive protection of their IP, there's absolutely zero competition to it (and therefore no reason for them to improve the quality of it). If you want to play Vanguard online and automated this is your only option and you have to suffer because they massively cut corners.

If you want a genuine conversation about this though, I'd appreciate if you'd give an actual response to my entire post and not pick just random specific parts to give less-than-witty sarcastic short responses to. Kind of comes across like you're trying to make me look bad without actually saying anything actually worthwhile.