Arma 4 needs playable women in default

[maya]

There's no reason for a "milsim" to not have playable women. Women are 50% of the population. Women are members of the armed forces in *most* developed countries. Women make up a large proportion of guerrilla fighters. It's unjustifiable that women weren't playable in vanilla Arma 3 and it's unjustifiable that Reforger still has not added them.

[Frog Actual]

But that's a massive can of worm to open, people would target women specifically by their model making our lovely and very big woman community run away. People would use female models to act out horrible sexist fantasies, and so on. It is fairer to everyone to use male models so our dear, amazing, strong, powerful, vibrant women stay safe. It would also make dev time be wasted on keeping the realism side of the game by making them have to make a new model, with different skins, colors, hairs, body sizes and lower stamina and carry weight stats.

[Barry Cabbage]

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There's no reason for a "milsim" to not have playable women. Women are 50% of the population. Women are members of the armed forces in *most* developed countries. Women make up a large proportion of guerrilla fighters. It's unjustifiable that women weren't playable in vanilla Arma 3 and it's unjustifiable that Reforger still has not added them.

I argue that it depends on setting.

Reforger is set in the 1980's there simply wasn't enough women in the armed forces to warrant dedicating time to create a whole new body model and new animations when they have yet to release their first major planned update,

and considering two out of three factions in the game didn't truly make use of women in combat roles at the time and the third being a relatively minor faction and thus not a large priority within the game... eh?

if Arma 4 releases and is set in [for example] 2001-2035 again I would expect and support women to be modeled in the game... if it's set [for example] 1950-1990 I don't care if they exist in the game or not...

Women do not NEED to be crammed into games they don't logically fit into... if they belong that's great and should be there... but I don't need or want a woman running around the beaches of Iwo Jima or the Trenches or Verdun.

Same thing goes for men... if a game is set on Wonder Womans island I would be kinda miffed to see men there... though I also probably wouldn't be playing a game about super Heros... and especially not one based around Wonder Woman... gimmie hulk or... ♥♥♥♥♥♥' Spider Verse.

[Barry Cabbage]

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there was also angelina malevich in OFP.
military has more than just combat roles and a sandbox can only benefit from more story telling options.
everon has a ridiculous amount of detail,
but there wont be fire trucks, VB cars and uniforms, or a nurse or teacher anywhere and just the more or less same old sterile pvp.

I'd argue Reforgers purpose isn't to have much in the way of flavor content be it ambulances or women.

It's purpose is clearly to cut down the cost of QA for both the engine and what I assume will be the "Arma 4 format." while letting the Modders get familiar with the systems.

[Barry Cabbage]

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exactly.
though after arma 3 i don't see them doing any such things for arma 4.
the best civilian dlc was more focused on what its title said, laws of war and humanitarian aid, not civilian themselves. after arma 2 it went to bare bones and arma 4 is probably not going back to more civilian life but instead also less.
most players are just here for the pvp game modes and some pve, not any kind of story and immersion. a soulless battlefield type of playerbase that moans about lack of map markers, long drives and too much logistics while thinking a platoon channel is just their casual lobby chat. it's just getting worse now, like everything else in this world.

Agreed.
I honestly don't hate it either, they've been leaning so heavy into modding that I dont think we need to worry over much if BI releases with a very focused setting for Arma 4, modders will have it expanded to cover every era from 1911 to 2020 pretty quick.

I mean I can already go from playing in the trenches of 1916 to fighting the covenant at Reach in 2552 then back to halting the Germans at Tobruk...

Arma 3 has been propped up by Modders for a decade, and they'll probably do it again for Arma 4 whether people love it or not.

[Dr.FragensteinM.D.]

what percentage of the military is women? not including countries that have mandatory service. Here in Canada it is 16%. What is the percentage of arma women players? I'm guessing it's much less. Is this a trans issue? I'm guessing that percentage is even lower...

[noob retarded]

of all things in a games development why do people care about woke politics and inclusion more than actual game play smh

[Tobruk]

Since most players appear to favour mods with modern equipment and gun scopes, the idea that Reforger is set in the 80s and thus no women seems to sound hollow.

[panfractal]

The fact that OPF (ArmA: Cold War Assault) had female heads you could choose for multiplayer play, all the way back in 2001
It would only be fair to re-add them as this game is a direct sequel to that.

[Rick James Bish]

Is this really being debated? Why would it matter if a female character was an option? They may have not been in combat during that time but they game now and there are plenty that do. If you're a dude play the male character. Let the ladies play with the female characters if they want.

Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Maybe the option to play as a female is too much temptation for some. They might not be able to resist the urge to step into a female character and "be themselves".

[areudeadyet]

I do agree, every game should let you choose two genders, male and female.

[truckdoctormike86]

why are women player models so important. go play a stupid battlefield game if that's what you want. this exactly the problem that faces once great gaming franchise like battlefield. "i WaNt a fLyInG squirrel girl vibe."

[truckdoctormike86]

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of all things in a games development why do people care about woke politics and inclusion more than actual game play smh

this is why most modern AAA games suck. they spend to much on ART styles and FEMALE body models and we suffer for it. plus that's exactly why ill never buy another Battlefield game because they spent more time modeling female models than actual game design

[Rick James Bish]

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why are women player models so important. go play a stupid battlefield game if that's what you want. this exactly the problem that faces once great gaming franchise like battlefield. "i WaNt a fLyInG squirrel girl vibe."

Me thinks thou doth protest too much

[Landstorm]

I think paid dlc with female soldier skins would be a good solution. maybe 100 euros and 50% of the proceeds donated to charity or something